Lots of questions. Good thing I was drinking heavily so I was able to get through it. Why can't the defense play in the 1st quarter like they play the rest of the game? It's pretty obvious that the O Line is having issue we all were concerned about (for years). Who's going to play QB this week? Maybe it was a mistake putting Tua on IR. He looks fine.
Yup. That was all about optics. He went out with teammates and his family the next night, plus he was allowed to fly from Miami to Seattle, which is about as far as an NFL team can travel outside of international games. The doctors would never have okayed that trip if he was experiencing severe symptoms.
There are now reports out that he was put on IR before even seeing a neurologist. It’s absurd and all fake. The NFL is singling out Tua.
On top of that he was listening to a crowd louder than a jackhammer for 3 hours. I did a quick search for players on IR for a concussion and couldn't find any examples other than Tua. Is there any precedence for this or is Tua the first guy to be put on IR for a concussion?
I’ve never seen it. Not saying it hasn’t happened, but I would assume if it did happen that player was showing lingering symptoms and was advised by a doctor to go on IR. And it’s not like other players haven’t had 3 concussions in their NFL careers.
Most guys have three concussions in basically two seasons? Obviously I think there are guys who get concussed that we don't know were concussed. I'm talking guys with diagnosed concussions. The concern is not simply the concussions, for me, it is the frequency of them, combined with they occur on seemingly relatively routine NFL impacts (I know you disagree), the fencing response, and the short period of time we're talking about. He's more likely to get another one every time he gets one.
Yeah I mean, there is no way the Dolphins can just throw Tua out there the next week or two. He gets another concussion that game? Dolphins look really bad. They pulled that **** the first time around. That's why the NFL is so focused on the Dolphins and Tua. People complaining about that are choosing to ignore that the Dolphins brought this on themselves. Also I believe he had three concussions that season, this one is his 4th, all in basically two seasons. I honestly don't understand people who are seem to have zero regard for his long term physical health.
I think it's fair to say that maybe Tua was the one making McDaniel look good and not the other way around.
“In 2002-2007, 152 players had repeat concussions (vs 160 in 1996-2001); 44 had 3+ head injuries (vs 52). The positions most often associated with repeat concussion in 2002-2007 were the defensive secondary, kick unit, running back, and linebacker. The odds for repeat concussion were elevated for wide receivers, tight ends, and linebackers but lower than in the earlier period. During 2002-2007, over half of players with repeat concussion were removed from play, and fewer immediately returned (vs 1996-2001). The average duration between concussions was 1.25 years for 2002-2007 and 1.65 years for the 12-year period. Over 12 years, 7.6% of all repeat concussions occurred within 2 weeks of the prior concussion.” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3445193/
So looking at that list, we can agree that it's incredibly concerning that the QB is in that company. Especially considering that Tua isn't playing more risky football than other QBs. So Tua is most definitely an outlier when we compare apples to apples. Do you think it's honest to use those stats to apply to Tua? I know I asked generally, but those stats all involved players at positions that will absolutely involve significant contacts. That's very different than QB. Tua is having concussions on par with running backs and linebackers, while not taking nearly the same amount of hits. Also, that article stated that on average there was 1.25 YEARS between concussions, only 7.6% of repeat concussions occurred within 2 weeks. So again, Tua is an outlier. He takes far fewer hits and far less punishment than running backs, yet he has multiple concussions within two weeks. So he's an outlier of outliers. Maybe we should stop acting like what is going on with Tua is normal or similar to other players.
That's kind of a silly way to look at it don't you think? One can't make the other look good or bad without both of them having some involvement in the process. McDaniel clearly has made Tua look better than he did pre-McDaniel, and Tua has clearly performed well with a dynamic WR like Hill thanks to the system McDaniel has built for the offense as a whole. It's not really a one way street here IMO, the two of them needed each other. And if you really want to say Tua has made McDaniel look good because of yesterday's debacle of an offense, I think that says far more about Skylar Thompson and his lack of ability to play the QB position in general than it does about McDaniel, or Tua. He's simply not good and the appearance of Tim Boyle in the game after being here a whole 3 weeks, compared to Skylar's 3 years shows that yesterday was more a reflection of Thompson than anything.
And this brings us back to Chris Grier. Tbt you could have put Brady or Marino at the height of their career out there, and our odds of winning that game would be 40:60 at best.
Well then, you really have to question his quarterback evaluations and player development. Thompson has been here for three years, McDaniel drafted him. He cut Mike White for him. Thompson is his guy and it's clear he cannot play football.
I think anyone gets concussed in the Cinci game. We also see many players getting concussions after falling backwards and striking their heads on the ground. This last concussion was two fold. Tua acted like a RB and suffered twisting/shearing force to his head and neck and then fell backwards and struck his head on the turf. He's most definitely playing more risky in the times he’s getting concussed. When he slides, like last season, he’s not getting concussed even though he’s getting sacked. He’s not getting concussed by light hits. The Cinci hit was illegal and would have been flagged 99% of the time, the GB hit was Tua trying to extend a play and he got his legs wrapped up and he was twisted, (again striking his head on the turf which we see time and time again where players are concussed) and this last one was him being incredibly careless. 8% isn’t an outlier. It’s in the minority, but not rare by any means. @cbrad could possibly expound more on that.
Over the 12 year period, average time for repeat concussions was 1.65 years, and only 7.6%, over 12 years, were within 2 weeks. 92% of all the repeat concussions were well outside of 2 weeks, and 8% occurred within 2 weeks. Those certainly seem to be outliers. They are far from the norm. That's all I'm saying. I'm not trying to use these terms in a formal statistical way. Just that if you are in the 8%, you're definitely way different from the average. And if you're in that 8% on far fewer contacts, that seems even farther from the normal.
Optics can be incredibly unfair. The problem is that going forward, every time Tua hits his head on the ground, if he doesn't spring to his feet like one of those professional wrestlers, he's liable to get pulled from the game for another 4 weeks now that he carries the stigma of being a fragile, concussion prone athlete.
It’s not a high percentage, but it’s not rare. And we also have to see how these players are getting concussed. Each of Tua’s concussions probably happens regardless of anything before or after. There are situations where a player hasn’t completely healed and so they are more susceptible to concussion, but the Cinci hit was enough to concuss anyone and probably does at a close to 100% rate. The GB one, again, is a really common hit that concusses players and Tua was, by all indications, completely healed from the Cinci hit. I think the biggest problems here is that Tua’s most recent concussion was due to his carelessness and wasn’t a “little” hit. If he takes a regular sack where his head is “whiplashed” like when all players are tackled, and gets a concussion, that would be concerning. I’m not saying that concussions aren’t concerning, but in the way Tua has been hit most people would suffer the same fate. It’s like seeing a player doing regular football moves and tears their ACL multiple times. They get labeled “injury prone”, but then claiming that a guy who breaks his leg after a ferocious hit, then gets in a car crash breaking their other leg and trying to say that player is “at risk” for more broken legs. Any player that gets hit the way Tua has when concussed likely gets injured.
I agree. I posted in the Club that the Dolphins need to start looking for another QB. The NFL has a target on his back. He was put in IR before even seeing a neurologist. Why? Because the NFL demanded it. They would not dream of doing that with another player. And IF Tua does start having long term symptoms, or he decides to play RB again and gets another concussion, he’s most likely done. Which really sucks because I love the guy and his dream will have ended way too soon.
This offense was built for Tua and what people perceive Tua does well. Quick reads and accurate. Skylar is neither of those, anyone thinking Skylar was going to play well in this offense or should be the backup are just silly. Much of that is on Greer and coach.
Reported that garbage every day at camp They better turn this **** around real fast, bunch of panzy asses
Derek Carr got 2 concussions in 3 weeks last season and didn't even miss a game and most are probably not aware of it since the media didn't kick up a stink. https://bleacherreport.com/articles...e-any-concerns-after-2-concussions-in-3-weeks
On this play he apparently cleared concussion protocols on the sideline but the Chiefs held him out of the game. He played the following week and was never cited for having a concussion when it's clear as day he got KTFO. Even looks like a fencing response in his left arm as he's laying on the ground.
That hurt just watching it. As you said, fencing response clearly evident and he was out of it when his teammates were helping him off the field. It’s more proof (as if it’s really needed) of the NFL’s double standards.
Great. You gave me one guy. He isn't the norm. I know there are examples, I pointed out that the stats say it's rare. What's your point? Do you think Carr is the same as Tua? No difference whatsoever in the situations?
Nasty hit, can't believe he "cleared" concussion protocols. That didn't look like a fencing response to me. Could have been, but it could also have just been him slowly and gingerly moving his arms after that hit. Look how slowly he had to get up. Much like Tua, Mahomes got injured there because he didn't go down.
It sounds like you're arguing that that is how it should be done? The problem you should have is that Mahomes was allowed to play the next week. It sounds like your solution to the alleged double standard is to remove the tests completely? Concussions are big deal guys. Or do you guys think CTE is all made up?
