It’s foolish because you’re just making sh!t up now in order to further your opinion. Tua is maybe the most studied person in the world when it comes to concussions. He’s been looked at by some of the best neurologists in the world. They cleared him to play or he wouldn’t still be playing. And you’re completely ignoring the fact that the hit he took last night would most likely concuss anyone.
The common thought is that while you can heal from them, it does increase susceptibility. Guy's already had like 4 in just over two seasons now. And I'm sorry, I don't see the fencing reaction as common - it's jarring for a reason. Sure that alone may not indicate severity, I'm no neurologist. But being on the ground with your body involuntarily freezing like that cannot be a mild issue. Injury prone may not be a great designation, but concussion prone? It sure seems like he is now. Do we want to see this again? Can the team really trust him anymore? I don't think it's an easy question.
He’s had 3. Fencing happens in, depending on the study you read, about 65-85% of all concussion victims. And fencing has no bearing on the severity of a concussion. You can have fencing, be unconscious, etc and have less trauma than someone with neither and a concussion. It is true that there is evidence that shows a person may be more susceptible to concussions the more they have. However, slamming your head and neck into a player in the way he did doesn’t necessarily show he’s more susceptible because it was a hard hit. If he takes a light hit that wouldn’t normally concuss a player, then we can say he’s more susceptible.
If Tua comes back and plays again (which I seriously doubt) I'll be worried sick every time he's dropping back to pass. Not really a fun way to watch my team every week. The issue is never going away after this last concussion. Tua needs to make the right decision and retire.
If he comes back, (which is a decision he, his family, and docs will make), it will be because some of the best neurologists in the world aren’t worried so why should we? Many players in the league have suffered double the number, or more, than Tua and they’re playing and no one is calling for them to retire.
Foolish? LOL Yeah, that's why the Dolphins fired that team doctor for his negligence, well that and PR appearances. I don't care what reasons you give for the Dolphins possibility of trying to avoid paying the man, either way it isn't your call. I hope they do right by him, and you obviously don't.
You don’t even know what happened. Lol The doc was an independent. He couldn’t be fired by the Dolphins. The NFL stated that they would no longer use him, but that was optics because each season the NFL faces 9 figure lawsuits due to concussion related issues. Every year. The Dolphins are now the NFL’s poster child for “See, we care about players.” There you go again… making sh!t up again. No one is attempting to “get out of paying him”. Of Tua don’t get paid it will be HIS choice because HE decides to retire.
You cannot convince me it's not 4. That was shennanigans in that Bills game where it was called a back issue, there is no way that wasn't a concussion. He also had one at Bama iirc, so 5. The problem is that now he has a history, if it just gets more and more likely it will happen again ... then it will happen again. That it came on hard hits doesn't matter, it's still a concussion. He's going to get hit again if he steps on the field, both hard and light. At this point, from a personal view, I don't really want to see him sprawled out fencing again a third time. That's kind of grotesque. I also think the team would be unwise to put all it's faith in a guy with this history now. It's clear they already had some reservation. This won't help. Hockey actually has some examples. The question becomes whether we think Tua will be more like Sidney Crosby, who came back from his concussions to play at a high level over an extended period ... or more like Eric Lindros, a guy who had the potential to be the sport's GOAT but was never the same after his head injuries.
Nah.. he was checked out all halftime and passed. Now, I DO think he had his bell rung and was woozy. However, being woozy isn’t necessarily a concussion. You can be woozy without a concussion. I’m not going to just throw the independent neurologist’s findings out the window. He has a lot to lose if he’s wrong or lying. He has no reason to lie. The way he fences is unusual, but fencing isn’t unusual when a person is concussed. Watch Staffords game against the Lions last year. His head hit the turf, much like Tua’s head did in Green Bay, his eyes rolled back and he went into a very similar fencing position as Tua did last night. However, and because the Rams aren’t the NFL’s poster child for “See, we care about players”, he walked off and came back in a few plays later. I don’t think he was ever checked for a concussion. Now FENCING is a great way to determine if a person was concussed. Nearly all people who display that have been concussed. Wobbling isn’t a good way, it’s one of many different things that must be present, but alone it doesn’t mean concussion.
Didn't they later fire the doctor? And then 4 days later he gets another? I know the official story, but I don't buy it. As you point out, the NFL has a history of being able to look the other way when they want. Regardless, the history is still there. If he comes back and plays, I would bet it happens again.
He also had one on the play in College where he broke his nose and injured the hip. That was 2019. It's at least four concussions but if we're being honest about what went down in Buffalo it's five.
The independent doc was let go by the NFL. That was optics. The Dolphins are unfairly targeted. Look what happened in week one with Waddle or in 2022 with Teddy. Each were pulled by NFL spotters and neither had anything close to what looked like a head injury. In the meantime, Sauce last week gets smashed, can’t get up, arms all floppy, and he comes out only a couple of plays. Or last season when Stafford smacked his head on the turf, eyes rolled back, fencing position, etc, he’s reported to have a “rib injury” and continues the game. The docs firing was BS to save their ***. And as far as Tua and if he gets another concussion, if he’s slammed to the turf again like in Cinci, or decides to lower his head and run head first into a DB like he did last game, he probably would suffer another concussion. But so would most players. It’s not like he’s getting patted on the head for doing a good job and getting concussed. Even the one in GB was a hard hit and really was very similar to other concussions we’ve all seen where a player hits the back of their head on the turf. Denzel Ward has had at least 5 concussions since 2019. No one is worried about him… or so it seems. And he’s not the only one with 5 or more.
I’m not understanding. A broken nose and hip means he had a concussion? And again, there’s no way for anyone to know if he had a concussion in Buffalo when he was pushed by Milano. He was cleared. I don’t think it was a back thing, and I think he hit his head, but if all he showed was being wobbly, that alone isn’t enough to determine he was concussed. He was run through the concussion tests and deemed not to be concussed.
It's been talked about since Thursday night that he had a concussion on the play he injured his hip at Alabama. I had never heard that before this week and was surprised to hear it. I guess they made such a big deal at the time about how serious the hip injury was that concussion wasn't even talked about. And as far as the Buffalo game you're right he wasn't diagnosed with a concussion but the spotter was fired for a reason. Concussions are diagnosed with an eye test. If the player lies and says it's my back and everything else feels fine he can pass a concussion test even if he in fact is concussed. I think looking back it's obvious he had a concussion that game and what made the next one so severe was he had one and played anyway. Just my opinion.
The spotter was fired? I didn’t even know they had spotters until after Tua’s concussion in Cinci? Concussions are not diagnosed with an eye test though. They are diagnosed through a battery of tests based off of research, science, and the players baseline scores before the season. It’s by no means a perfect test, but it’s all current medical technology can do. Concussions don’t “show up” on CT or MRI scans. No one thing can determine concussion. Not fencing, unconsciousness, or anything else determines concussion. Now, fencing and being unconscious is a great way to expect there was a concussion, but by themselves they aren’t conclusive. When Tua looked woozy after the Milano hit many people claim to think that’s a concussion. It’s not necessarily. Since he passed all the other tests it was determined that he wasn’t concussed. If he was diagnosed with a concussion in 2019, I had not heard that, this means he’s had 4 concussions in 5 years. Again, Denzel Ward has had 5 concussions in 4 years. Are we concerned about him being “injury prone”? Are we hearing cries for him to retire? And there are many other players who have had multiple concussions over the past 5 or so years, we’ve heard so little about them that most people don’t even realize this.
https://apnews.com/article/tua-tagovailoa-injury-a8cc153d3ac902be42b710a187cea50e I'm not going to sift through the videos I've seen but I saw several saying the concussion at Alabama was on the same play he injured his hip.
I wasn’t questioning you when you said he was concussed at Alabama. I said I hadn’t heard that. I added it to his total of diagnosed concussions. He’s now been diagnosed with 4 since 2019.
The concerning thing is that Tua is playing under a microscope now and in the future should he come back. That puts the Dolphins at a disadvantage. Every time he gets tackled he's more likely to be pulled from the game should his head hit the ground.
Gotcha. Look Dan you know what I've posted on here the last two years about Tua. I've been right there with you supporting him. I agree with you 99% of the time and see the same double standard in regards to other players you mentioned. Honestly it's really upsetting to see Tua in the fencing position again. Not that I don't care about players on other teams but with Tua it has me sick to my stomach. I'm a fan of his as a person as much as I am of his as a player. He's not capable of changing. This is how he's wired and it will happen again. He did it his first game back against the Steelers in 2022 taking off and running and later said it was something he needed to do. It's really hard for me to watch this kid put himself in the situation he's in. I want him to retire. This last concussion put me over the edge on the issue. Sorry man. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.al.com/alabamafootball/2024/09/nick-saban-reacts-to-tua-tagovailoa-injury-reveals-one-thing-former-alabama-qb-cant-do.html?outputType=amp
I made a post in the mains about “injury prone”. I’m not really a believer in that…and for the most part science backs that up. (Except in chronic injury situations) However, and what Tua has made me think about, is does injury prone also mean the inability to avoid injury? I mean, when he broke his hip he was crushed by two 300# men. When he was slammed to the ground in Cinci anyone would have been concussed. When he ran into Hamlin, head down/eyes closed his head and neck had shearing forces to his brain stem and then his head slammed to the ground. Even in GB when his head bounced off the turf… we see people get knocked out all the time in that scenario. So it’s not like he’s being slapped on the head lightly and getting concussed. What is happening, however, is either his inability to avoid the hit or his unwillingness to avoid the hit. Maybe that is a form of “injury prone”?
It’s apparently happening to all Dolphins players. Look at Bridgewater 2 years ago. His head was never touched. Look at Waddle in game 1 this season. He showed not one ounce of having head trauma. And yet Bridgewater wasn’t allowed to return and Waddle was pulled for a few plays.
It's weird that it's allegedly that high, and I've seen plenty of concussions in person and on tv and I never saw that until Tua
If you’ve allegedly witnessed “plenty” then you obviously don’t know what fencing is. (Let me guess, you think it’s curling fingers?)
For those in the thread blaming Tua for not having the presence of mind to slide this is a great statement on the matter by JJ Watt. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...-breaks-down-qbs-in-play-thought-process/amp/
I don't buy that. Tua had already crossed the 1st down marker before he lunged forward. That was a bad decision on his part. He could have easily slid and made the 1st down.
Yeah. And the whole “gladiator” mantra is BS. Gladiators were mostly forced to fight to the death and weren’t paid handsomely.
Well.. the concussion did put an end to the debate of whether it's good to have Tua run more. If Tua comes back, McD needs to tell him the priority should always be safety instead of picking up yards with his feet. It might even help if Tua put on more weight again if he doesn't need to run.
Please stop pretending you went to medical school and, or have a license to practice medicine. You're not a doctor and you are disrespecting the profession.
Hahahah..well, I am a PA and also hold a license as a paramedic. Please point out which part of my posts you think are incorrect and maybe we can debate it… new guy.
He just doesn’t seem to know how to protect himself. It’s not like he’s getting concussions from light hits.
That "history" was established two years ago. Following the 2022-season Cincinnati game Tua should have retired it is disgraceful that the Dolphins kept putting him on the field and that he and his family were not satisfied with the millions of dollars he had already earned playing football.
So all players who get a concussion should retire? What basis do you have to even suggest such a thing? Some of the best neurologists in the country cleared Tua and determined he was at no more risk than anyone else. The only people who should suggest he retire should be him, his family, and his docs. Not some troll on the internet.
Watt's exact point is that in the middle of a play between the hashes as a QB is scrambling it is not that cut and dry. They do not have a big yellow line saying here is the first down, and there is all kinds of movement and chaos as a play breaks down. He argues Tua most likely was not able to ascertain whether or not he had already gained first down yardage.
I doubt you are a Physicians Assistant, Paramedic, or work at any occupation suited to people with a certain level of integrity and intelligence. If you wrote that you were a lawyer I would believe that because your behavior here is bullying others while deflecting truths.
I don't buy that either. He needed to get to the 9 yard line, which is easy to see in the middle of the field because you can see the 10 yard line. And there were no defenders to block his view. No, that was just a bad decision on Tua's part.
Man I don't care, you just don't set yourself up for that kind of hit. Certainly not in week 2 when you're down big late. It was a horrendous decision. As the QB, your health is paramount to the team's success and he decided to potentially throw the season (and his career) in the bucket because he wasn't sure where he was on the field? That's a hard no.
