You mean quoting the actual phrase and words of a poster instead of making up meaning to fit your narrative. Yes. I am guilty of that. You keep grasping for straws. You need to stop lashing out. It's OK to be wrong. We won't think less of you.
It's a bad organization that didn't protect a good human being like Tua. It beat the absolute dog out of a good person. Just like it beat the dog out of its fanbase. This regime has wasted over a decade of our time on this forum. Screw this team.
lol.. nice try. I know you want the last word, but what I said is true: you and some other posters just wait to post once disaster strikes or looks like it might strike Tua AND you are (pathetically) happy about it. Say whatever else you want but that alone is disgusting.
Give it up. You literally said "Now it seems they were right, and maybe they're happy that the argument maybe is finally over." The argument clearly refers to Tua, which is what I was referencing. Other than the "maybe" in there it is precisely what I was saying. Either way, what I said is accurate. There are clearly posters here who are happy Tua failed, and they come out of the woodwork primarily when it looks like he is failing, which truly is disgusting. Don't deny the obvious.
What tua needs to focus on is his health. Hope he can recover well. I am afraid of his long term health beyond football.
This Exactly! Thankfully there's only a handful of these bottom feeding, miserable creatures on this forum doing this. Pumpdogs, Resnor, Destroyer, maybe one or two more that show up to celebrate horrific injuries and failure on the part of Tua. It truly is pathetic and sad, but they do it. Ignore is always an option. The thing is, it was never an argument for me personally. I just want us to win. We'd been starved of a good quarterback since Dan left and Tua has been the closest thing to that. Ability was not the issue here. It was health. The same thing that derailed Andrew Lucks career. It happens. The most depressing part is that it's back to the fkin drawing board with all of this. The entire team was built around Tua. Now you have a ton of talent and no quarterback to throw to them. Do we sell? So we try and salvage the season? Do we call it an era and start over? Does this all blow over in a couple weeks and Tua comes back (unlikely and not logical). Oh well Fck this forum. These clowns will be on here ruining it anyway for the next 11 months.
Nobody was rooting for Tua to succeed more than me and I never want to see this man on a football field again. Tua's life and health are more important to me than anything else. It's over.
Right so use your detective hat, what did I say they might be happy over? Hint: not that the Dolphins have a massive problem or that Tua is probably find. You really shouldn't be arguing that Tia should continue playing. Getting concussions like he does gets worse. These are not happening because he doesn't fall right. You are simply characterizing people this way so that you can justify your years long argument with them. "Oh they were right, but they're disgusting d!ckheads" or some such copium.
Please dude I was trying to be positive after week 1.And I said no excuses we need to win at home to have any chance at division.No home playoff game it would be year 25 without playoff win.Well here we are with a bunch of over paid overrated players and coach.I will probably not be alive when someday they do win one. This team got smoked again McDaniel is 0-6 now against the Bills And we gave him an extension
I know right. Not sure what game he was watching. I guess we all should sit around the campfire after the game hold hands and sing coom ba yah!Lol!
Bingo! Classic textbook narcissism. He needs to make this about us, otherwise he needs to look within.
Lame.. you responded to my post which provided the context, and what you meant (which is what matters) is precisely the way I interpreted it. Thanks for not disputing that. Like I said give it up, I accurately characterized many anti-Tua posters here: gleefully posting again once disaster struck and ONLY because disaster struck. Disgusting to the core. Complete nonsense. And I never said Tua should continue playing. I said he probably will.
lol.. where was StaleTacos with all his enthusiasm about the Dolphins after game 1? Nowhere. Same with a bunch of posters who only come out to post when it looks like disaster strikes.
It wasn't about you with my original posts. I merely commented on the game. The came Sceeto with one of his typical derisive posts which had nothing to do with the game and made it clear it was about "character" and who was "right" again. So sure I'll point out what his and your motivations are. You guys want to start this let's do it.
Obviously not in public. Where are your posts? Also, this is a pattern going back years. It's not just last week.
Again, as I've explained and others have explained, there was no point in arguing on this forum publically any further. Everyone had their positions AND they weren't convincing the other side. The only thing left was for the season to play out. This isn't about me. I know you want it to be. You need to look at your own actions. Re-check your deep statistical analysis. Re-check your quadrangles. MAN UP!
lol.. no you've had this posting style long since people stopped changing their views on things. IF what you said is true, then you would have stopped posting long time ago, way before you actually did. So that attempt at an explanation fails. And I told you before, let it play out first. I'll gladly admit I'm wrong (unlike you) if Tua retires. But if he comes back and does well again, then all these attempts at victory laps by you and other anti-Tua posters will look really bad.
Solid character, bro. Keep it up. Looking good. Your BS has already been addressed and shown to be idiotic nonsense as usual. You keep repeating this utter BS. You're skipping all over the place. You have no idea what you are even arguing anymore. Oh, and the game was already way out of hand and lost before this "disaster struck". " "Disgusting to the core". LOL. Now, since you have absolutely nothing else, you try to act like you give a ----. So transparent. Talk about lame. What are you going to do if this causes him to statistically regress?
LOL. "Let it play out." It's played out. You are the only person on the planet that wants to "let it play out" further. On the performance side, he's shown yet again, he CAN'T beat playoff caliber teams. His play was a complete disaster last night. On the medical side, even if they can somehow find a doctor that risks their medical career and clears him. He's not going to play again in some time, and going to miss significant time. His ability to stay on the field was a major reason he was never a franchise QB. You can never trust him again. It's over. You were wrong. Take a bite and SWALLOW it.
Back to your useless drivel again. Your primary contribution to this site is short derisive comments that have more to do with other posters than the game or the Dolphins. At least StaleTacos doesn't mind doing research and making an argument based on data. You have made it clear you abhor stats lol. It's so funny the two of you are on the same side ONLY because your positions align on this issue because the two of you are diametrically opposite in general. And I've already explained what I'd do if Tua statistically regresses: admit I'm wrong, something alien to you.
Wait till he retires then I'll man up. He hasn't yet. You and other anti-Tua posters here simply can't wait for confirmation. What are you guys so afraid of? And yes it's problematic Tua played bad against a playoff team. But if he comes back he'll have more opportunities. Then we'll see if it can or cannot be overcome. Remember the "certainty" you guys expressed about Tua after 2022? Then came 2023. C'mon. Learn from your own mistakes. Don't declare victory too early.
Stay on topic. I meant his ability to play a full season AND play at a high level with a much larger sample size. Those were two things you were "certain" he couldn't do. You were wrong. The playoff issue was the sole (admittedly important) one that Tua didn't prove was no longer a problem in 2023. Also let's note you never admitted you were wrong about that, as usual.
That is on topic. You are just trying to veer it to something specific. Playing at a high level, no. I wouldn't say that. His stats were very hallow when you drilled into them. Completely collapsed against playoff opponents. Last night was a continuation of that. Playing a full season, yes. Found that unlikely. Not sure I ever said I was "certain" or that it was impossible. The scheme and plan they came up with limiting hits was impressive. His QB hit rate was stupid low in '23. By far, least in the league by significant margin. That's why the plan of him losing weight and running more NEVER made any sense. Even though last night's "hit" was avoidable with a slide, it was inevitable. When you increase the likelihood of contact, you'll increase the likelihood of a really good hit from a defender.
Objectively he played at a very high level over the season. 5th in the league in passer rating with a 101.1 which is around 1 standard deviations above the mean. And that's with 560 attempts, which is a lot. The playoff issue needs to be handled separately because that's still very small sample size. There are QBs like Flacco who were terrible in the playoffs for many years before becoming very good playoff QBs. As far as certainty, you made it clear that you (internally) were certain even if you didn't say it was theoretically impossible. I do agree with you about the folly of going away from what kept him safe: adding weight and not running as much. That's why I said IF he comes back McD would likely go back to not letting him run as much.
Objectively, he didn't play well when it mattered most. The actually playoff game, agreed, small sample. Meaningless. However, combined with his performance against playoff caliber teams, no. That's a large sizeable sample at this point. If you aren't showing up when it matters, you aren't playing at a high level to me. You making things up about me saying I was certain. Either prove it or move off the point. I'm glad we can find common ground.
No, objectively over the course of an entire season he was elite statistically. That is separate from the argument he played poorly when it mattered most. You need to separate those two arguments precisely because of sample size. With one argument we have large sample size with the other it's way too small to conclude anything except to say that so far he's performed poorly. A simple search shows one example of the "certainty" argument w.r.t. the claim Tua isn't the answer: https://thephins.com/threads/tua-is-not-the-problem.96818/page-159#post-3547350 And as I told Sceeto you're actually quite different than he is. If you'd just stick to evidence based reasoning and readily admit errors (this part is missing) we'd probably agree more often than not because you actually respect stats.
Lol. Solid stuff. You really have nothing. Comments about other posters?? LOL. Some of you were arguing with us, getting threads shutdown and called out by upper staff members and we weren't even posting. Lol. You were arguing with ghosts. As for your other foolish comment: Yeah, st does know and uses stats well. Do you see his posts littered with nothing but stats? I'll see him sometimes make you like an a--, but c'mon, man. I have nothing against stats. I use them everyday in my business. I have explained this many times before, I will never go down this useless and utter waste of time conversation about stats with you. You're just being lame and playing dodgeball. You will always just be removing the territory from the map. The map can be useful, but first focus on the territory.
Im almost 100% sure hes going to return, probably not next game but the game after. This past offseason was Tua’s dream, to get financial freedom from the game he plays. Hes not going to give that up. I imagine He will take the sacrifices he needs to even if it means his own health. the collision he had with hamlin was rough. The moment it happened right before he seized i was already thinking hes done. Just horrible to see. i remember zach thomas in an interview once said you cant even pat him on the back of his head without getting another concussion. I just hope Tua doesnt suffer those kind of consequences.
It's not too small though. His performance against playoff teams is sizeable. It's close to HALF of his career: ...that was prior to the Jags and Bills games. That gap grows larger. And the whole post was "My personal opinion has no doubts. That doesn't mean there's no uncertainty. You struggle with understanding this nuance." You cut that part off because you still struggle with the nuance.
