EURO 2024 and Copa America 2024 Championships

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  1. Lloyd Heilbrunn

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    I don't understand how that happened, I thought it was the top 4 3rd Place teams, which I've always interpreted as the ones with the most points, that advance?
     
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    You have to finish 3rd first of all to be one of the teams that could progress. Ukraine got 4 points, same as the rest of their group, but only finished 4th in the group due to inferior goal difference to the rest. Slovenia finished 3rd in their group with 3 points, but that was enough compared to the other teams that finished 3rd in their groups.

    Current 3rd place team rankings:
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  3. Lloyd Heilbrunn

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    Aha!
     
  4. Claymore95

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    Good effort from Czechia (how I wish Scotland had shown half that effort...) but not quite enough as they lose to an injury time goal. They go out and Turkey and Georgia go through.

    So, the last 16 ties are confirmed as:
    Top half of draw
    Spain v Georgia
    Germany v Denmark
    Portugal v Slovenia
    France v Belgium
    Bottom half
    Romania v Netherlands
    Austria v Turkey
    England v Slovakia
    Switzerland v Italy
     
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    Once again England, without looking great, which is an understatement, manages to get into the easy side of the draw…
     
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  6. Paul 13

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    These two games had my attention... not wanting England to play Holland hahah... And so they've been "saved"... will play Slovakia instead. Prediction time (not who I want, just who I think will win):

    Round of 16:
    Spain over Georgia 3-1
    Germany over Denmark 2-0
    Portugal over Slovenia 2-1
    France over Belgium 1-0
    Netherlands over Romania 1-1 on penalties
    Austria over Turkey 3-2
    England over Slovakia 1-0 (in typical England fashion)
    Switzerland over Italy 2-1

    Quarterfinals:
    Spain over Germany 2-2 on Penalties
    Portugal over France 2-1
    (I mean the above two games should be the semifinals)
    Austria over Netherlands 2-0
    Switzerland over England 2-2 losing on penalties, typical England

    Semifinals:
    Spain over Portugal 2-1
    Austria over Switzerland 1-0

    Final:
    Spain over Austria 2-0
     
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  7. Paul 13

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    it's probably not going to matter :lol:
     
  8. Claymore95

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    Yeah, they've lucked out a few times in recent tournaments!
     
  9. Claymore95

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    I could see them making the final again to be honest, no team in their half should scare them. Although, I expect them to trip up somewhere.

    If they'd been in the other half...no chance.
     
  10. Lloyd Heilbrunn

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    It's somewhat ironic, that England is getting absolutely no offense from its left back, and Jedi Robinson, the US's English-American left back might be one of our best attackers…
     
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    they are going to struggle vs Slovakia, so it could happen there. Southgate has absolutely picked his team incorrectly and the players don't respect him (as a whole). He should have been axed after the last World Cup, just to change things up. You've got Foden, Bellingham, Kane all wanting the ball centrally... there's no width, particularly on the left... Trippier wants to cut inside too... and when you have that, defenses can figure you out. They've looked their best when guys like Bowen and Palmer have provided some width. But it doesn't matter who you put out there if the players aren't into it (if they aren't respecting the manager).
     
  12. Lloyd Heilbrunn

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    Great job by Kirby Smart!:tongue:
     
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  13. Claymore95

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    No more Euros games until Saturday now...

    I would maybe watch US game against Panama in the Copa America tonight, but it's at 11pm our time....and that's past my bedtime :laughy:
     
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  14. Paul 13

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    i reckon it'll be a decent game. Panama is probably the 3rd best CONCACAF team right now, behind US and Mexico. Jamaica have not been good at all and Costa Rica are in a bit of a transition IMO. Canada would be 4th BTW. But Panama can beat you on the counter and are hard to breakdown. US need to be a little careful. I could see a draw honestly.
     
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    well, that's terrible from the US to go down a man. Tim Weah (who by the way was singing the national anthem the loudest) gets a red card. they end up losing to Panama 2-1. But they scored 4 minutes after the red to go up 1-0. Couldn't hold it, gave up two goals. Referee didn't help. It was a red, but there were players on Panama that should have gotten yellows. Two times. In the first half, the hit on the US keeper, not even a yellow. It's poor from the ref. And only 4 minutes of added time. now the US need to win against Uruguay (assuming Bolivia loses tonight and against Panama).

    I still hate Alexei Lalas. God he's such an a hole. Why is he yelling? He was yelling before the game started.

    On the bright side, Balogun, good player. Growing in confidence. A Robinson, the best player on the pitch for me. Certainly the best athlete. And i'm not surprised by this. He's played for Fulham very well against LFC and Mo Salah the last few years. A declining Salah for sure, but Robinson locks him down. The only negative he has in his game is his decision making in the final third. It's why he's playing for Fulham and not a bigger club IMO.
     
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    It's not looking great for US to make the knockout stages, is it? Is it fair to say that Weah might just have cost them that on his own with his mindless red?

    Unless Bolivia get something off of Panama, and US match or better the result against Uruguay. It might have helped if Uruguay had already qualified (and more likely to rest players against US) but, from what I can see, that's not the case yet. It's a shame that goal difference is the first tiebreaker if teams are tied on points, rather than head-to-head, as H2H would have meant that Uruguay would already have been confirmed as through to knockouts following their win over Panama.

    Still, it's a home game for US, so they do have a chance.
     
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    I have a soft spot for Costa Rica at Copa America, as they have one, and soon to become two, players in the squad that play for my Scottish team, Heart of Midlothian (Hearts). Forward Kenneth Vargas already plays for us, and RB Gerald Taylor is on his way with a loan move with an option to buy - which is the same way we picked up Vargas. I've no doubt that Vargas must have helped in selling Taylor on the move, as doubt many Costa Ricans will have heard of Hearts, or really wanted to come and play in Scotland :laughy:

    Vargas has been a hit for us so far. He took a while to settle, and still needs to become more reliable in front of goal, but he definitely has the chance to be a very good player at just 22 years old.
     
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    Uruguay are virtually thru, they have a massive GD now that they beat Bolivia 5-0 (It's at 7). The battle in group C is for 2nd place. US on 3 points with a GD of 1, Panama also on 3 points with a GD of -1. I'd be surprised if Panama didn't beat Bolivia so they will be on 6 points at the end of the day. US need to beat Uruguay, who are really already thru, and keep GD over Panama. Panama have scored 4 goals and US are at 2, so that will be the next tie breaker if they finish level on GD. A 1-0 US victory over Uruguay may not be enough, they could need to beat Uruguay by 2. It'll be interesting to see how many players Marcel Bielsa rests then. I haven't checked, i wonder if Weah is out due to the red card or not? That will be a massive loss if that's the case.
     
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  19. Paul 13

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    speaking of young players, Enciso for Paraguay... incredible player. Brighton got their hands on him early. Something tells me a bigger club will be trying to acquire him ASAP.
     
  20. Claymore95

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    You were almost spot on with this one. I didn't see it with Switzerland, mainly because they drew with Scotland in the groups and, if they could only draw with us, then they couldn't be up to much :laughy:

    Of course, it doesn't help that Italy have been woeful. Winning the last championship has probably papered over the cracks with Italian football.
     
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    I mean I'll let one of the Italian fans who post here explain what just happened in greater detail. But they've been off it since this tournament started. No heart... no desire... reminds me of a certain team that will be playing tomorrow morning (my time). yeah, almost had the scoreline... :wink2: The Swiss have been pretty good, deserve to be quarterfinalists, that is for sure. If England somehow manage to beat Slovakia (that just sounds funny)... well, they will have their hands full with Switzerland. Vargas and Ndoye are no slouches offensively. And they are very structured defensively. Freuler was fantastic today, not bad for someone on the wrong side of 30.
     
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    If you had told me this would happen before the tourney started, I'd have been surprised and disappointed. Seeing how we played all tournament, I not surprised whatsoever, nor am I all that disappointed. This is the worst Italian team I've seen in my life (44 yrs). The talent was lacking given our typical standard, but more importantly, we had no direction or identity. I think Spalletti is much to blame. All tourney we had no link up play between Def to Mid to Atk. I'd say we had the worst strikers in the tourney, but then again, we never really gave them much opportunity. We have more giveaways than ever. Played in our own half all tourney. Can't string three passes together, and kept a void center attacking 1/3 of the pitch all tourney. As much as a f'n hate the word, they were discombobulated. Not to mention some questionable roster decisions by Spalletti - leaving out Locatelli, Bonaventura, and Calabria immediately come to mind.

    This was deserving. Congrats to Switzerland, they were better today and all tourney.
     
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    Still nice to win though, but agreed. :wink2:
     
  24. Lloyd Heilbrunn

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    The red was absolutely idiotic, but they really screwed up, IMO, playing the way they did, completely ceding possession, just because they had 10.

    They were playing Panama, not Argentina or Brazil, and while, of course, they shouldn't have attacked like crazy, they shouldn't have tried to defend for 60 minutes either.

    And the coach managed to make all of the wrong subs, each one was a net negative.

    And if they don't get out of the group, it might cost him his job…

    What would really be ironic, if they pulled it together and beat Uruguay, and went out on goal difference, because Panama worked Bolivia.

    I am one of the few that were disappointed with their performance against Bolivia, for exactly this type of goal difference situation!:crapstrom:
     
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  25. Paul 13

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    that's a very good end to the first half there by Denmark, coming oh so close on the break there, fantastic save by Neuer. 0-0... at the half. I didn't see this being so close. I expect Germany to pull it out in the 2nd half, but it's all there for Denmark. Two top goal keepers. Gonna take a set play or something special to get a goal today. Maybe this goes into Extra Time!
     
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    I don't know how Berhalter is still the manager of the US side. His contract ran out and then they rehired him several months later. It's pretty wild.
     
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    Rough couple of minutes for Andersen :lol:
     
  28. Claymore95

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    You were spot on with your 2-0 prediction for that game. I'll need to get some money on the rest of your predictions... :laughy:

    Couple of contentious VAR decisions decided the game against Denmark. Can't argue too much against them, as they are what they are according to the rules. But I hate seeing those offsides that are a matter of a big toe either way. Is VAR really that accurate for when the ball is kicked, ie. we all know the ball is compressed and then released when kicked, so is the VAR related connection taken from when the player's foot initially starts hitting the ball, or from when it leaves the players foot...and can that connection point really be measured down to fractions of an inch?

    For the penalty, the handball rule and its interpretation are really just a mess right now. FIFA need to look at the handball rule and simplify it. Deliberate handball should be the rule IMO, none of this "making the body bigger" as an arm flails away from the body naturally.
     
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    They're pretty decent at rugby too, is there nothing that Smart can't turn his arm to :laughy:

    And they're 1-0 up against Spain. I reckon Spain will come back to win, they're pretty much all over them, but you never know*

    England only just survived against Slovakia, I reckon Southgate was getting his CV up to date 4 minutes into injury time, until Bellingham saved his bacon. Switzerland must be licking their lips.

    *And as I'm typing this, Spain equalize
     
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    Never in doubt, right England? :lol: I found myself in the first half accepting the defeat. Saying, we haven't been good enough this whole tourney. Losing is inevitable and just speeds up the process to get Southgate out... And then the second half started... I really was rooting and yelling and screaming with every touch of the ball. Bellingham going all Pele at the end might be the way the curse breaks? I don't know. Pele and Brazil win the WC of 1958, 1962, 1970... England of course 1966, the one year Brazil didn't win it. I know I know.. it's the Euro's not the WC... but still

    Going a goal down and coming back to win it... maybe just maybe it sparks something to go forward. I know... I'm falling for them again... ahahaha... I've said it really doesn't matter the formation... but having Toney in the game with Kane up top, seemed to give us an aerial advantage (both goals set up thru the air/headers). Do you change to a 3-5-2 with both Kane/Toney up front? Guehi is out due to YC accumulation. Maybe Konsa starts in his place at LCB. conceivably go something like this:

    Kane/Toney
    Foden/Manoo/Rice/Bellingham/Palmer
    Konsa/Stones/Walker

    who am i kidding? SG will keep the same 11, or just make a slight tweak :lol:

    Georgia taking the 1-0 lead was fun while it lasted... almost went 2-0 up on that long goal attempt (England were lucky not to go down 0-2 on a similar attempt) in that first half! Spain just too good. I picked them to win when the elims started, nothing changing my mind there.
     
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    expecting Mexico vs Ecuador to be a war... LOL
     
  32. Lloyd Heilbrunn

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    Unbelievable that England was rescued by that bike, and probably undeserving too.

    They actually have another chance to play up to their talent, let's see if it happens…

    Ian Darke's quote on US TV was "Saved by the Bellingham":tongue2:

    And Mexico just got eliminated in the Copa, now to see if the US can do better tomorrow night, against all odds!
     
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    LOL

     
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    Loved that movie. Rocky in goal :lol:
     
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    France vs Belgium on paper should be a fantastic matchup. Both teams have struggled at times this tournament. So lets just hope it's a good game.
     
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    Well, it was a pretty good game, could have/should have been better. Fantastic individual matchups. Kante at his age playing like that? I'll have what he's having please. Interesting tactics by Tedesco the Belgium manager. I don't know that I fault them really. KDB playing as a holding MF for the majority of the match. Tough way to lose though on the own goal. And I just hate that Doku plays for Man Cheaty. He's amazing. Lukaku was poor. Just didn't link up for most of the game. Should have gone to Lukebakio earlier. France have essentially moved on from Giroud, even though he's on the team. England/Belgium have not moved on from their aging strikers. Which is maybe a topic for another day.

    1-0 France. Who would have predicted that? :shifty: :couch: I wonder if I put money on these games and scorelines how much I'd return on the Germany/France scores? Probably not very much... 2 out of 5 so far... and the other 3 all correct in terms of victors, just off on goals. Course, now that i've said that, I'll lose every game from here on out. :lol:
     
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    haven't had a shock yet... is this the one? Slovenia over Portugal???
     
  39. Claymore95

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    Maybe Portugal and Ronaldo too, or at least don't let him take free kicks any longer, he never scores them these days! It's funny when he does his well known usual routine pre taking the kick...then blazes it miles over the bar :laughy:
     
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    Ronaldo is probably the most hated footballer by English fans (EDIT... it was Maradona, but he's dead now :lol:), unless you're a ManU supporter :lol: Anyway, Slovenia have been great. It's 0-0 heading to extra time now. If this goes penalties, I kind of like Slovenia's chances with Oblak in goal. Though I don't know his record as a pen saver. He's been fantastic all tournament.
     

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