Tua...''He's the greatest prospect ever''

No doubt!

 

Ha! Awesome. David Lynch.

 

….and yes…..so appropos.

 

People who think Tua sucks and yet other teams will offer up a 1st for him make me laugh.

 

Not worth an extension but worth some first round picks.

 

I never have written "Tua sucks". I've written that the Dolphins gave him a good 4-year try and it has now become clear that for the team to advance deep in the playoffs or play in the Superbowl, Tua is not the guy to help make that happen. Maybe another team can have better results with him as their QB? I believe the Dolphins offense will be consistently better with a more mobile QB than Tua.

 

Ok, reading your posts, another “new member” and I’m a bit confused…

Your bottom line assessment is Tua is garbage and needs to be traded…

And yet, if he is garbage as you elude to, you expect another team to give up a 1st round draft pick for him?

You don’t trade a 1st round draft picks for garbage players…and if a player is worth a 1st round draft pick, you typically don’t trade him away.

 

You do realize Tua has virtually led the league in every significant quarterback statistic, don’t you?

 

I mean, generally speaking, you don't want teammates pissed off at each other cussing each other our.

But this is illustrative of something I've mentioned before, which is, I don't think I've seen someone post a criticism of Tua that you didn't argue with. Even if it's not something factual, but simply how your yourself feel. You can grant that someone has a reasonable criticism, even if you offer other ways to interpret whatever it is they were talking about.

 

I don’t believe his post is illustrative in that regard. A-Type personalities are high strung and often go off. That’s nothing new.

 

Still doesn’t make sense.

You don’t think he’s good here, but on a lesser team with a worse coach and less talent he’ll do better! In that really your position?

 

Depends. These are young guys and I’d rather have some heat than a cold fish at QB, etc.

Show me some valid criticism of Tua. I’ve criticized him in the past. And when I don’t reply to others criticism that’s an agreement. I just don’t feel the need to beat a dead horse like others around here.
However, if the criticism isn’t valid, like 99% is around here, then I’ll disagree.

 

You've been called a troll on this site an abnormal amount of times haven't you?

 

I guess if Tua was on a team with an OL effective enough to keep pressure off him he could lead that team well into the playoffs and perhaps the Super Bowl. The problem is that the NFl defensive lines and secondaries are so good it's nearly impossible for an NFL team's OL to consistently give a QB the amount of time Tua would need to be effective , especially against the League's best defensive teams.

 

The statistic that matters is playoff wins. Too much credit is given to QB's who compile big numbers of yardage, completions, TD's etc...during games against weak teams or garbage time against the best teams. For example, Derek Carr kept doing that for the Raiders and the team stupidly signed him twice to multi year big dollar contracts.

 

I am new member here because I was banned from Finheaven for starting a thread that the Dolphins should consider any trade offers for Tua. The majority of members there, and apparently the forum owner and, or moderators don't want a realistic discussion of different perspectives (the very definition of a forum).
Here I never wrote "Tua is garbage". I did write that the Dolphins have already given him 4-years, a lot of time to show his strengths and weaknesses. I have no idea if another NFL team or two would like his services , but it would do no harm for the Dolphins to learn what draft picks and, or players might be offered. Also I've written that the Dolphins exercised their 5th year option, so he can play for them the 2024 season.

 

Too many people on internet discussion forums seem to define a troll as any person with an opinion or perspective different from their own.

 

Signing Tua now to a multi year hundreds of millions of dollars contract and then hoping his play improves seems like a backwards plan.
For the 2024 season why not play him on his 5th year option and see how he and the team performs?

 

I think you were banned for your constant, every post and thread you started about how the Dolphins need to get rid of Tua but I never saw you offer up another option except for the crazy trade Tua for Justin Fields thread.

If the Dolphins follow your advice and trade Tua, just who is going to be the QB this year? Should they also just trade Hill, Ramsey, Chubb, Sieler and any other player in their late 20's/early 30's as they are blowing up the whole team by trading the QB?

The fact you kept going on about wanting a mobile QB and suggesting Fields would be better than Tua in this offence because he can make things happen with his legs would suggest you need to go study how McDaniel is running this offence and then look at the strengths and weaknesses of each QB. One if a near perfect fit, the other has 0% chance of ever running an offence like this. Miami doesn't need a more mobile QB (although it would be good if Tua would lose a bit of weight and stop falling over his own feet when he runs), what they need is a better interior OL that allows Tua to step up into the pocket and escape for 5 yards that way. He's never going to be athletic enough to get outside of the tackles so build your team to his strengths. He has very good movement in the pocket and he is very, very good at stepping up when Eichenberg and co. haven't been destroyed.

Finding 3 guys in the interior of the OL is much, much easier than finding a QB who can read a defence pre-snap, process quickly, has great ball handling and footwork, is really accurate and has a ridiculously fast release.

 

The line doesn't matter much with the scheme they run. If they want the line to matter, they'd have to have Tua hold the ball and drop back more, and that's not good for the team, or Tua's health. So what we have now is a line that's pretty irrelevant. I wouldn't bother spending much resources there unless you change the QB.

 

Of course the line matters.

Some people...

 

Agreed, but it's been proven by (losses to the best teams and 2nd half of the season collapses the past 2 years) that the current scheme
will not get the Dolphins well into the playoffs or the Superbowl.

 

I started two threads. One suggesting the Dolphins consider trading Tua for Fields. When that one was moved to the locker I started a second thread soliciting opinions for what another team might be willing to give up in draft pick (s) or players for Tua.
Finheaven is supposed to be a forum (place for the exchange of different opinions and perspectives), so it's absurd that my thread topics were banished to the locker and, or myself was expelled.
If that forum's owner or moderators only allow pro-Tua commentary they should include that in the Rules and, or change the name of the place to Tuaheaven.

 

You knew exactly what you were doing and it wasn't to start an honest conversation.

Hypothetical topics are a waste of everyone's time that is focused on the upcoming off-season. Especially outlandish ones that involve trading Tua. Tua isn't getting traded. Tua is signing an extension with the Dolphins this off-season. That's all there is to it.

 

Other teams don't have a system. The quarterback gets in the huddle and tells all his guys to run random deep routes. The offensive line is much more important in those systems because it's all improvised.

 

What I was doing was trying to initiate a constructive dialogue about options for the Dolphins.
Discussing trade options for Tua is not a "hypothetical topic". For example, if today another team contacted the Dolphins and offered for Tua a 1st and 2nd round draft pick, the Dolphins would take it.

 

It doesn't really impact the passing offense. The offense operates in getting the ball out as quick to playmakers. Until that changes, how the lines plays impacts the passing offense very little.

 

Tua’s quick release and ability to process the field quickly, along with speedy WR’s, good play design, and good play calling, makes it so they can be successful with an average or below average oline.
However, when the oline became an ICU ward it mattered.

A post that reads, “The line doesn’t matter” has to be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read on the internet.

 

You should read your own posts more. It's not your fault.

 

danmarino, he doesn't have any clue what he's talking about. In a previous post he said run blocking and pass blocking are exactly the same thing. Absolutely clueless.

 

Lmaooooo


You couldn’t be more wrong. This and your last post are now ranked #1 and #2 as the dumbest things I’ve ever read on the internet.

 

I remember that… lol…

Trolls gonna troll.

 

Of course you would but you've never believe that Tua would be a good player anyway. From that other site when talking about if you would trade Tua for Mac Jones.

Not going to lie here, wanting Fields and Jones over Tua is bordering on the "I don't know sh*t about football" side of things.

 

“You have a QB that makes the o-line irrelevant! Which means he sucks so we need to trade him for a different QB that needs a better o-line!”

—— Staletacos (probably)

 

Try Facebook.

 

It should read " new name".

 

Remember when Tua beat the 49ers and Bengals singlehandedly, great times!