Virtually every injury was not a repeat injury of past injuries. How is that him signing injury history people is that relevant. I mean if they keep have the same injury then yes. Please be specific in your analysis. I will give you Armstead. What else you got to actually back up your position?
so if they are all covered and he led the league in yards maybe he’s able to hit smaller windows because he has to. Why is that on him if the receivers aren’t getting separation?
I'm not saying that its all on Tua. Its equally the fault of McDaniel for the way the offense is set up and called, and on Grier for not getting the kinds of players that we need. Its not about "seperation" either. I'm talking about wide freaking open shorter targets in the middle of the field with no one around. Whatever these other teams are doing to make this happen every week so that their QB has easy throws, McDaniel needs to be taking notes.
It’s one thing to draft a player that is always hurt. It’s another thing to draft a player that’s been hurt before. This is the NFL. The overwhelming majority of players have been injured and missed games at some point. As Finatik asked and said, I’ll give you Armstead, HE was a dumb gamble, but if he had worked out what a steal. Who else? The other injured players, Baker, Chubb, AVG, Holland, Williams, Hunt, Tyreek, etc…and even JP, with his concussions in college, have all paid off and then had freak injuries. A player falling on your leg (Baker and Williams), horse collar tackles (Tyreek), a blown Achilles (JP) and severe hamstring injury (Hunt), AVG’s foot… none of that can be predicted and is just bad luck.
Tua, for instance, has a pretty lengthy injury history, and no surprise, it was a problem in the NFL. This year was good in that regard. I didn't think it was crazy talk that Grier takes chances on injury history guys. We've been *****ing about it on this forum for years.
Burrow had no injury history in college that I know of. He’s played in less games than Tua. Herbert is oft injured and same thing. He’s missed 7 games due to injury compared to Tua’s 8 games missed due to injury. (These numbers are just from memory so may not be exact, but I’m certain it’s close) Past injured players are released/traded etc all the time. Some work out and some don’t. I haven’t looked, but I don’t think Grier has chosen injured players at some extreme rate compared to any other GM.
I’m not sure how many times people need to point this out to you. He will be cheaper the first 2 years of the contract then it’s starts getting expensive. If you have to bail on any QB, it’s always going to be expensive, look at Denver with Russ. If the front office doesn’t believe Tua is the guy you let him play on the 5th year option, draft someone this year and then let Tua walk next year if he stinks or tag and pay through the nose when he takes the team to the playoffs again. That’s assuming he doesn’t hold out and refuse to play on the 5th year option. Look at Burrow’s full contract, he was $19M in 2023, then $29M next season. Cincinnati had a ton of cap space so decided to have larger hits the first 2 years. Even then I’m sure Burrow’s 5th year option would have been over $30M since he had made the Pro Bowl. Look at the structure of the Herbert or Hurts deal. That’s what Miami would do since they are tighter against the cap. Smaller hits in the first 2 or even 3 years then bigger hits when the cap will be over 300M in 2027. I’m not advocating giving Tua a deal as large as them but if you can get him for $40-45M per year it gives the team a 2 or 3 year window with a QB cap hit below $40M to try and get over the hump. If he wants a record setting deal then they need to be convinced he is the guy.
Or it could be he has Liam Eichenberg and Rob Jones trying to pass protect right in front of him. There were multiple times I watched Allen and Mahomes have between 4-6 seconds to scan the field in the pocket. Tua gets the ball out so quickly due to necessity as the interior of the OL cannot hold up in pass blocking. 3 of the 4 teams left have a top 5 OL and the other has maybe the best interior OL in the league with poorer tackles. Maybe the experiment of having top WR and poorer OL needs to be reassessed and Miami needs to invest in the interior OL. Brees always had a great interior OL.
The extension was the 29 million, so you still think 29 is less then 25... simply amazing. Did you take that new math class growing up?
Tua does it pretty much every single play, he mostly does not even give the play time. No doubt the OL needs to be better
All NFL QB's should be able to read a defense before the snap. HOWEVER, that does not mean they know what receiver is going to beat their defender. That is where Tua is not reading. He goes with the first most of the time Hill or whoever coach tells him to. He often does not allow for the other routes to develop. I agree the OL needs to get better, but how much better before Tua feels secure ?
Seriously? What part of this are you not grasping or are you being obtuse for the sake of it? The new deal was signed prior to the 2023 season, so his cap hit changed. In 2022 his cap hit was 9.8M, Tua's was 8.2M. In 2023 Tua's went up to 9.6M so I can only assume Burrow would have had a cap hit of around 11.5M or so scheduled but the extension changed that. The Bengals had a ton of cap space so decided to eat more of the cap hit up front rather than push it down the line. Teams will do this when the have the space, that is the ONLY reason Burrow's cap hit went up. The Bengals made a conscious decision to have is numbers were they are stable for a number of years rather than having a massive hit in one or two years at the end. Now, go look at teams that are more pushed against the cap and how they structured their QB deals. Go look at the Eagles, Chargers, Ravens, Cardinals, Dallas etc. That is what you should be looking at. Russell Wilson signed a 5 year, $245M contract and his cap hits the first 2 years were $17M and $22M. Both of those are less than the $23.1M Tua is on the books for now and I doubt Tua gets that kind of money either. If/when the Dolphins extend Tua there is no way his first year number will be more than $23M, it will likely be more like $15M.
that was the strategy from the get I believe, mcdaniel to Tua, ''I care about your health so lets design this offense to protect you while capitilizing on your strength which is speed of process and quick release, bottom line were gonna get rid of the ball in less than 2.5 sec's to protect you from any weaknesses in the oline.'' it looks like from seasons end thats how it went down this past offseason, now, mission accomplished you kept him healthy but your team and offense sufferered greatly because of the lack of variables and options plus the level of timeing and communication was at a all time high, all things failed on the road, lack of players practice reps, etc. this offseason, now its time to diversify the offense, focus on upgrading the oline and lets build in some other option routes and processes beside plays to reek and waddle.
We see what Tua has done with an average to below average oline. I'd love to see what he could do with an above average to great oline.
Tua was pressured 6x in the KC game for a rate of 14%. Maholmes was pressured 7x in the same game for a rate of 16.3%, and 24.0% against Buffalo. Pressure not the problem.
Lies Tua was pressured 16x ... 41% "The Chiefs' defensive front controlled the contest, generating 16 pressures, sacking Tua twice, and making the QB double-clutch consistently." https://www.nfl.com/news/2023-nfl-playoffs-what-we-learned-dolphins-chiefs-super-wild-card-weekend
My stats for Tua AND Maholmes are by PFR, and very much not lies. You need to be better at conversing with other people without calling them liars. This is how adults act. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TagoTu00/gamelog/2023/advanced/ https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MahoPa00/gamelog/2023/advanced/
Only a child, someone who has a bias, or someone who didn’t watch the game would believe that Tua was pressured only 6 times.
I mean, I don't think they "pay off" if they get injured and torpedo the season. If you pick up injury prone players, then it's on that guy when injured players screw a season up. He picks them. Basically, with Grier, you need EVERYTHING to go your way, everything needs to break your direction. Everyone has to stay healthy... We even though he gives us injury prone players to depend on.
Part of the reason why Grier grabs these types of players though is he has to. When you are up against the cap, and you can't draft good cost controlled players, your only other option is to go after reclamation projects that will take a discount to rebuild their value.
A good GM would be on top of the condition the Qb is in physically. It’s unacceptable, period Someone needs to check Tua asap
Of course all of those issues are problems of his own making. Grier and his personnel people have been so bad at drafting OL after the first round, that Robert Hunt, taken at #39 overall, is not only far and away the best non-first rounder drafted on the line since 2008, but Liam Eichenberg, is in the conversation for second best in that whole time, despite the fact that he's basically a disaster at center when we have to put him in. That's how horrible Miami has been since Grier was promoted to the top of the scouting dept. Of course, the problem goes back way further than Grier as well. Did you know that the last OL to be drafted by Miami after the first round to become a starter and earn a second contract with the team after his rookie deal was up was Tim Ruddy, back in 1993? In the entire time since Shula retired, they haven't succeeded at it a single freaking time. Not once, even in the second round. So if Hunt resigns, he's the first!
I've been thinking about what you have said about him being of shape. It seems to me part of his work out was to strengthen his core so he could have more arm strength. If that has gone down the drain odds are his arm strength is less. Ive wondered the last couple games if he was injured or tired or what as his throws did not seem like they had been earlier in the year. It could be he is just out of shape
I recall the drafting of Eichenberg and everyone saying he was a sure fire player. However, the Dolphins have bounced him around to every single position on the line so I'm sure that has not helped him at all.
He was mediocre when he was the LG and Williams was at center. If he could be the 5th best OL we have and everyone else is healthy, it's not as much of a problem. But he's awful at center, and the problem was only made exponentially worse by having two backup guards starting on either side of him.
It’s exactly that, his confidence was shot to, it’s no coincidence that his play dropped as he continued to gain weight as the season progressed. You could see on hard knocks all the layers and big shirts to try and cover it up..
You do realize that he was the 3rd level backup and had never played Center at any level. That could happer a person. Just saying. THese positons, especially Center, aren't interchangable.
I think it was last man standing more then they thought he was the center they were looking for. They were signing guys of the coach to get enough bodies there were so many people injured and out. Maybe a silver lining is when they get a true Center, the experience of playing Center will help him immensely when he shifts back to his normal playing position.
Parts of it had to do that he was playing injured. McDaniel didn’t give him a game ball for no reason. I think he’s a borderline NFL starter.
Never having a true center on the roster throughout the season is on the GM and coaching Staff. Even Williams the starter is a converted guard and we went the entire season with no true center backing him up either. That falls squarley on thr GM and coaches for thinking they could get by without signing an actual freaking center.
Willaims graded out as one of the top centers in the league until his injury. If you look at the difference in every major category, they were substantially worse after he went down. Maybe he was a Center and didn't know it. You find safeties that move to corner sometimes. You See guards move to tackle. People move positions sometimes and find their calling.
Williams great. Another guy they need to pay but aren't going to have the money for. Can't pay them all.
