Wonderful, and the Dolphins STILL can't beat that team and QB. If you think so lowly of the Bills and their QB, what does that say about the Dolphins and their QB?
Your projecting is epic. Just like Allen's choking in the postseason. You've claimed many times that elite QB's win in the postseason. Allen must not be elite? In 6 seasons Allen has won 5 playoff games against some of the worst QB's in the NFL. Old Rivers, Skylar, Mac Jones, a Jackson-less Ravens, and Mason Rudolph. And in those wins he really only outperformed Skylar and Jones. Against the others each QB was about even in their play.
They really should fire the coach. Going for it at the 30 with a fake punt. That should have been game over right there.
You're trying to move the goalposts again. YOU'RE the one claiming that Allen is elite and use him as the standard against Tua. Well, Allen hasn't done much more than Tua. And Tua's career numbers are better than Allen's.
Now do the defense and OL. Injuries aren't an excuse to anyone with half a brain. Injuries matter. Why do you think there's an injury report and it's so tightly regulated? Because people bet on games and injuries affect the outcomes of those games.
In other words...You can't refute anything so you'll just pout and refuse to address the points being made.
Yeah, that was incrredibly stupid. If I was a Bills fan I would be lívid and calling for Mcdermot's head.
Josh Allen completed all 16 of his passes thrown behind the line of scrimmage, tied for the most completions behind the LOS in a game in the NGS era. Allen completed just 10 of 21 passes beyond the LOS for 95 yards & a TD (2 completions past the sticks). "The Bills & Joe Brady turned Josh Allen into a game manager who can run because his turnovers terrified them so much… and then on the final drive of the game he fumbled & started taking YOLO endzone shots because he just can’t help himself." HAHAHAHA..."ELITE"!!
"Sean McDermott right now: That was tough, but sometimes your plane hits the pentagon, sometimes it hits a field in Pennsylvania."
What are you talking about? Allen wins playoff games, and puts his team in position to win more more playoff games. There is no comparing Allen and Tua in big games. You really should drop the mod duties if you're going to contr to engage in this fashion with the people you disagree with.
Clowns are the ones putting words in people's mouths, so they can strawman argue. No one is saying Allen is elite. Just that he's better than Tua.
After being the perennial pre-season SB favorites over the past 5 years, the Bills have won 5 playoff games against the Rivers-led Colts, Jackson-LESS Ravens, Skyler-led Dolphins, Mac Jones-led Pats, and Rudolph-led Steelers. All in Buffalo. When the Bills play a decent team with a good QB, in the playoffs, they lose. And it's mostly due to Allen choking. As for Finatik, he's allowed to contradicted people's opinions as well as you are.
He wins games? 6 years and he hasn’t won even an AFC championship. This was a big game and he chokes. Like usual. What’s even funnier is I post all the things that the Tua haters post about Allen and it’s don’t engage in that fashion. Totally classic. It’s either ok for both or not ok for both but you can’t have it just the way you want for just one.
I know you're being sarcastic, but really, it just sounds ridiculous. There is no comparing Miami and Buffalo. They're superior in every way, particularly in that they've beat us like a drum the last several years and actually won a playoff game in the lifetime of my college-aged daughter.
Each had an 11-6 record this season, but only one was riddled with injuries. A very healthy Bills team, with a HC, QB, and most of their core players being together for 6 years, went one game further, both last season and this season, than the Dolphins. Who have been together for about 2 seasons. Their $250m QB has a career passer rating of 92 and leads the league in turnovers since he was drafted. Oh, they're also over the cap by more than the Dolphins and have around 22 FA's next year and their QB is due over $40m. At one point this season, they were 6-6. Not until their OC was fired and they took the ball out of Allen's hands did they start playing well. Allen had an 89 passer rating over that timeframe. The Bills have won 5 playoff games in the past 6 years. Those wins were against the Rivers-led Colts, Skylar-led Dolphins, Mac Jones-led Pats, Jackson-LESS Raven, and Rudolph-led Steelers. Then Allen proceeded to crap the bed in every loss except one. Those losses were against the Watson-led Texans (69 passer rating) , Mahomes x 3 (80, 86, and 129 passer ratings), and Burrows (68 passer rating). Objectively, the biggest differences between the Dolphins and the Bills over the last 2 seasons are injuries. I don't really care how the Bills fared against Adam Gase and Jacoby Brissett and Brian Flores and Jay Cutler and Tannehill and Fitzpatrick. This Bills team is 3-1 against this Dolphins team. And if not for injuries, we most likely are 2-2.
I'll stop you right there, because that's an outright lie. Buffalo was riddled with injuries this season. That's the only reason they lost six games.
He’s got a healthy offensive line though. He’s got far better options at TE. He’s got a better WR3 in Shakur. Yet he is still an average passer and once his legs give out he’s going to be a liability. Did you see just how much time he had on the pocket all night yet he threw for 186 yards? Why am I on a Dolphins forum reading Dolphins fans making every excuse under the sun for Josh Allen while the same guys criticise every mistake Tua makes?
They lost a few starters on defence but the offence was completely healthy all season (bar Knox missing November but they have a 1st round TE to replace him) until Gabe Davis went out against Miami. Allen, Diggs, Cook, Kincaid and the entire starting OL didn't miss any time at all. The main starters on defence they missed was DaQuan Jones, Milano and White. They did start to get more banged up at LB and a few of the secondary missed games here and there but overall their defence wasn't even as banged up as Miami come the end of the season. They were 6-6 because Josh Allen kept turning the ball over. There is a reason they switched OC's as Dorsey was trying to turn Allen into more of a pocket passer but it just wasn't working so they reverted to letting their franchise QB run 12 times a game to stop him throwing interceptions. Allen's cap hit jumps up to $47M next season, this is his contract just kicking in now.
I think they’re going to extend him as well, but right now I definitely would not pay him Herbert/Hurts money quite yet. Either offer him a comparable contract like the one Murray or Jones got, or let him play on his 5th year option, similar to what they did with Wilkins.
I think you should go and stop someone else because you’re just flat out wrong. Their defense was missing a few guys, but their offense played all 11 starters nearly every game. The Bills had one of the healthiest teams in the NFL.
No. You guys argue that Tua is elite. We are not arguing Allen is elite. We are arguing that Allen is BETTER than Tua.
What? Jones and Murray have a cap hit next year of $47m and $51m, respectively. Hurts has a cap hit of $13m and $21m over the next two seasons. Murray, Herbert, and Hurts all have total contracts worth over $230m. Which they most likely won’t see all of, but that’s what it is currently. So why act like Murray is making far less than Hurts and Herbert? You should not look at the total contract money, but rather the structure of that contract and the cap ramifications. Tua’s contract, if I had to guess, will be for around $200m. If structured correctly, the next 2-3 seasons his cap hit should be no more than $20m (maybe slightly over).
“We”? You got a mouse in your pocket? Because others here have said Allen is elite. As far as him being better… well, he can run and turn the ball over better than Tua.
true, but he doesn't have to miss the season. just has to slow him down and miss couple of games. still up to us to get better so we don't choke at the end of the season again
You could make an argument that a pocket passer making a pass where Allen is making a run woukd be just as successful, based on the fact that the pocket passer is better at passing and makes the better more accurate decision than the running Qb who runs because he can’t get it done in the air ?
True, but the QB’s main job is to pass the ball and there are times they must pass the ball. We saw last night what happens when Allen can’t run and must throw the ball. He fails way more often in those situations than not. I mean, would you rather have an offense where the QB can’t make throws, but can run, or an offense where the QB can make the throws and a RB that runs?
The past two seasons have me believing that. But, these injuries must come back to the median soon, right?
There's one easy way to dispel that notion. Imagine that the Dolphins had just slightly better luck with injuries, not losing a slew of important players down the stretch in December and January. Had they won just one more game this season (such as not blowing the late two TD lead against the Titans), or had the Bills lost one more game (and they had five they came down to the wire and could have lost if not for officiating), then the two teams positions would have been switched in the playoffs. And then would the Dolphins team that beat Washington 45-15 on December 3rd have been able to beat the Steelers in Miami, with a week of rest for most players during the final regular season game? And would that team, presuming they didn't suffer terrible injuries in that win, be able to beat the winner of the KC/Bills wild card game in the Divisional Round at home? I think that they could. And that would mean that they would be playing in the AFC Championship Game next week as one of the final four teams left standing in the NFL. Which, to most people, is about as close to a championship as you can get without actually playing in the title game.
I wonder the same thing. There's a few too many Josh Allen fan boys here. He's an overrated turnover machine. I'm good with Tua for the foreseeable future. I support MY QB not anyone else's.
You said “like Murray or Jones”. Murray makes over $230m and Jones makes $160m. No, that’s not what you said.
Implying I don’t want to pay him top dollar just like you, so similiar. When are you going to answer my Tua question, you still haven’t answered…
