Well that was ugly

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  1. cbrad

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    All NFL teams are "physical". This attempt at making a distinction between physical and non-physical teams I think is mostly in the imagination. Maybe a team that runs at you more is "physical"? Or a team that happens to have a LB that hits really hard seems "physical"? I think this is mostly a made-up distinction. Unless you can show how to measure this in some way.

    Also, 20-7 is not a "close" game. That was the score in our win against NE last year.
     
  2. Fishhead

    Fishhead Well-Known Member

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    Not making excuses for Burrow, just saying that thanks to a poor OL (and to give the Bengals credit, they have tried to fix it, it just hasn’t worked out), he’s been banged up since he came into the league, and the past two years he’s been great. This year, all indications are that he’s injured and trying to play through it.
    I was just trying to say that a banged up Burrow is better than most of what is out there, based on the last two seasons.

    My other point was that it is hard to put together a really good OL - Cincy has tried a different approach since Burrow’s knee injury and is still struggling to find a combination that can protect him.
     
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  3. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    Dolphins quarterback Tua Tagovailoa called last Sunday’s 48-20 loss to the Bills “humbling” in his postgame press conference and added that it was “much needed” for some people in the organization.

    The obvious implication of the comment was that there were people who had gotten a little too high off of the team’s 3-0 start, which included a 70-20 thrashing of the Broncos in Week Three, and that a lopsided loss to a divisional rival was a needed correction for that thinking.

    On Wednesday, Tagovailoa said he felt it was incumbent on him to say something and “lead the way I felt was necessary in being the true character to myself.” He also said he hopes to see his team respond in the right fashion against the Giants this Sunday.

    “You can see being in a locker room, some people, some guys take things with a grain of salt, and some don’t,” Tagovailoa said, via a transcript from the team. “Sometimes something like that is well-needed. Sometimes things like that are needed in losses, especially in the way that we lost, to get our guys closer together, to get guys doing things maybe they’ve never done or maybe they never had to do. But I do know one thing, that some guys are being asked to do more than others and I think it’s a good challenge for some that are willing to take up that challenge and hopefully do something with it on Sunday.”

    Every team has to adjust on the field and off the field over the course of a season. This weekend will bring the first chance to see how adept these Dolphins are at making those corrections.
     
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  4. danmarino

    danmarino Hyperbole or death Club Member

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    It's so obvious that you're a Jets fan.

    Last year's loss against the Jets, maybe to a Jets' fan, was a "demolishing", but to someone who isn't and who understands what happened would feel differently. Skylar Thompson, a 6th round pick and rookie QB was playing, it was 19-17 towards the end of the 3rd quarter/start of the 4th quarter and Sanders missed a FG which would have put us ahead. Then the Jets scored a TD on a short field. On the Dolphins' next possession Skylar fumbled the ball and the Jets returned it to Miami's 5 yrd line. The Jets then ran it in on one 5 yrd play to make the game a 2 TD lead for the Jets. The Dolphins then had a drive end on downs giving the Jets short field position to go 30 yrds for their last TD.

    The Bills lost to the Jets this year.

    You're just wrong about everything.
     
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  5. hitman8

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    You just made my point, if the Bills lost to the Jets this year, and the Bills just dominated us, what makes you think the Jets can't beat us?

    That was my original argument, and I am no Jets fan not even one bit, don't be ridiculous. I just don't see us going 13-4 as some other people do, and I think we could definitely lose to the Jets.
     
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  6. danmarino

    danmarino Hyperbole or death Club Member

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    Because that's not how football works and you obviously don't understand the point I was making. And I didn't prove your point because you don't have one. The fact that you actually believe that just because Team A beat Team B that Team A will now for sure beat Team C is just asinine.
     
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  7. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Because there's no transitive property of football. The Chiefs beat the Jets who beat the Bills but that doesn't mean the Chiefs could beat the Bills. That's not how the NFL works.
     
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  8. cbrad

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    I think we have a good chance of sweeping the Jets. They lost Rodgers for the season and now have one of the worst QBs in football: Zach Wilson. Their offense is 25th in points scored and their defense is 14th in points allowed. Jets are a weak team this year (and hopefully for many years to come!). I predict we'll sweep them this year. And no, we're not ending 9-8 or worse!
     
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  9. KeyFin

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    To me it's kind of funny, I've hated the Jets for so long that I actually was upset they've been so horrible recently- that takes all the fun out of rooting against them. I was actually excited this year that they should be competitive...and the most Jets thing ever happens with Rodgers. The stinking Jets just can't catch a break.

    And yes, we'll sweep them this year!
     
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  10. danmarino

    danmarino Hyperbole or death Club Member

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    I agree with you on everything here, but their defense, IMO, will finish the season a lot higher than 14th and they're clearly better than that current ranking. They've played the Bills, Cowboys, and Chiefs so far this season and that's why they are currently down that low on defense. Although, I wish we had the 14th ranked defense right now. lol

    Also, it's a divisional opponent and anything can happen. I'd be elated for a Jets sweep, but if I were betting, I'd bet that we split with them. Wilson is horrible, but he did put up a 100 passer rating against the Dolphins last season.
     
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  11. hitman8

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    They can all beat each other, none of these teams are pushovers where you can just pencil in a win. The jets have a very good defense so they can hang with anyone, and they can definitely beat us.
     
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  12. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Any team can beat any other team but it's not likely. I think you're overreacting to the Bills loss. Let's see what happens this weekend. If the Fins lose to the Giants, then it'll be time to panic.
     
  13. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    I mean, it does actually mean that.
     
  14. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    No, it actually doesn't. There's literally hundreds of examples through the years of that NOT happening.
     
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  15. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    In the most literal sense you're right. But in the practical sense it doesn't equate to the Cardinals beat the Cowboys so that means they are now going to beat X team that the Cowboys beat. a 1-16 team beat one team and now it says they will now beat every team that the one they beat has beaten (horrible sentence). But you get my drift.
     
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  16. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    He's really not. The NFL has never worked that way. This isn't high school football.
     
  17. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Yeah it doesn't mean definite...I didn't think he was saying it was define, other than that was his feeling currently on what that result will be. As such, I think his reasoning was valid.
     
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  18. resnor

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    Just because it doesn't happen doesn't mean it wasn't a possibility. All he's saying is that if they beat the team that beat the pants off us, then they certainly do possess the ability to beat us.

    People personal feelings on a poster shouldn't cause then to be intentionally obtuse about what he's saying.
     
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  19. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Just stop. What you're arguing is indefensible.
     
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  20. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    No, it's very defensible. It's been proven out over and over. Team A beating team B and team B beating team C frequently does NOT mean that team A will beat team C. Matchups are the most important thing in the NFL. Matchups change from team to team.
     
  21. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Who is saying that it is a guarantee? No one. That's just a strawman you have made up. It's by no means what I'm claiming, and I don't believe it's what he claimed.

    You are acting like it's ridiculous to think that the Jets will beat us. He pointed out that the Jets best the Bills, and the Bills destroyed us, so certainly the Jets can beat us. It's really no different than Dark Knight (I think he's the one that said this must recently) saying that any team can beat any other team on any Sunday. Hitman just thinks that we lose to them. I don't find that unreasonable. It's also a divisional game and they always play us hard, so they absolutely could beat us.

    You're intentionally misrepresenting what is being said so that you can argue.
     
  22. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Whatever dude. I never said it was ridiculous, that's you putting words on my keyboard. I was refuting his argument that the Jets beating the Bills meant they would beat us. That's it. Everything else you pulled out of your butt.
     
  23. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    My point is, you didn't need to refute anything. I didn't say that you said it was ridiculous. I said YOU ARE ACTING LIKE it is ridiculous.

    And now you're strawmanning me.
     
  24. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Nope. That would be what you were doing to me. You don't know how I was "acting," and you aren't reacting to what I actually said. You're projecting your attitude onto my words.
     
  25. cbrad

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    This is interesting. If you look at points allowed per game for every one of Fangio's stints, Fangio's defenses improved in his first year in all cases except at Indy (which was way back in 1999), and the average improvement is 3.8 fewer points allowed from game 1 to game 16. That's pretty good. Giving up 4 points less in game 16 than in game 1 could be the difference between winning and losing in many close games. Can't do too much worse than we've done anyway lol.

    Fangio defenses year 1.png
     
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  26. RGF

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    It's utterly ridiculous that you even have to put that in writing. "They", are not making any sense, and they KNOW they're not making any sense but misery loves company and their team is struggling once again, so they attempt to belittle the Dolphins and giggle themselves to sleep.
     
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  27. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Lmfao

    Sure thing bud
     
  28. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    It's utterly ridiculous that he's splitting hairs here. No one is saying that because they beat them that they FOR SURE will ALWAYS beat us.

    Just that clearly they possess the ability to beat us, if they beat the team that just took us out behind the woodshed.

    You guys are jumping on the poster, not on what he's actually saying.

    It's pretty pathetic. Enjoy your circlejerk.
     
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  29. RGF

    RGF THE FINSTER Club Member

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    Thanks for pointing out that any NFL team is capable of beating another. Us fans, who watched countless games through the years , weren't aware of that possibility.

    A beat B
    B beat C
    therefore, A is capable of beating C.
    Sometimes I wonder about the mindset of a few people around here.

    "Possess the ability" , he says.
     
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  30. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Right back at ya.
     
  31. dolphin25

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    Burrow back to Burrow now. He was moving well. I would not suggest the Titans beat us. However, with this bend don't break would be a dream for Tannihill
     
  32. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    Burrow is legit. Not being able to drive off your leg because of calf is huge. Not being able to move because of calf is huge. He was able to do both this week.
     
  33. dolphin25

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    Their defense is pretty strong and suddenly their offense is showing more life.
     
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    Lmaooo the Titans? They have dog water Ryan Tannehill who even Titans fans/organization is realizing was vastly overpaid and mediocre? As long as we stay healthy, I’ll gladly bet my bank account that Miami SPANKS the awful Tannehill led Titans. And Bengals suck this year, in case you haven’t gotten the memo.
     
  35. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    The Bengals are getting better as Burrow's leg gets better.
     
  36. Fishhead

    Fishhead Well-Known Member

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    Yep. Still the team to beat in their division.
     
  37. The_Dark_Knight

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    Funny how no one seems to talk about how injury prone Burrow is.
     
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  38. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    To be fair, he did take his team to the SB.
     
  39. KeyFin

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    It really is any given Sunday in the NFL or sports in general. But that's also what makes it so darn fun to watch. Both "unbeaten" teams beat themselves last week by missing field goals at the end of the game. It was great stuff!
     
  40. hitman8

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    Hate to say I told you so, but it's not looking good for us the rest of the season.
     
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