The conversation was about the team/Tua losing to the only 3 winning opponents they faced, and their performance in those games. Now you want to move the goalposts to overall performance. Try to keep up indeed.
I understand the comment you made, it's was complete gibberish. How do you determine who is the "best" open receiver to throw to? You go through your progressions. 1. Is he open? Yes - throw it, No - move on. 2. Is he open? Yes - throw it, No - move on. 3. Is he open? Yes - throw it, No - move on or run like hell as you will likely be getting pressured by this point. What you seem to be advocating is... Scan field. Scan field. Scan field. Oh look, #4 is open, throw it to him. What would likely happen most of the time in this scenario is... Scan field. Scan field. Scan field. Sh*t that hurt and the sky is a nice shade of blue today.
I didn't bring up overall performance. I asked you to research how other QBs do against tougher defenses. You made the comparison to the rest of the league. SO, IF LOSING TO WINNING TEAMS ON THE ROAD IS THE NORM for QBs? THEN?????? You've got nothing... again. This is your biggest problem. You want to evaluate Tua in a vacuum of your own construction. Ever changing and mostly naive criteria.
That guy has no clue about how offenses work. Look deep all over the field first and then hit the shorter timing routes??? WTF??? How the hell is that suppose to happen?
LOL. That's moving the goalposts. We are talking about Tua and his performance against winning teams. If you want to bring up how other QBs have faired against winning teams, or the Eagles which is what you replied to. Do your own research, but that's a separate topic. But one thing is for sure, we haven't beaten a winning team yet, and others have.
We haven't beaten a winning team THIS year. But Tua has done it many times in his career, so let's not act like somehow he can't do that. 2020: Won against Rams, a 10-6 playoff team 2021: Beat NE twice!, a 10-7 playoff team Beat New Orleans, who were 9-8 2022: Beat Ravens, a 10-7 playoff team Beat Buffalo, a 13-3 playoff team Beat Pittsburgh, who were 9-8 Beat Detroit, who were 9-8 That's a lot of playoff teams and teams with winning records Tua has beaten. To somehow focus on just this year and act like Tua can't beat teams with winning records is just attempting to push an agenda.
The opening Chargers game in LA should count as well, they were over .500 last year and made the playoffs. Miami was actually the underdog in that game and wasn't given a chance to win by most.
They're still 4-4 right now. I wouldn't be surprised if that game counts by the end of the season. In any case, going by the strict definition of "winning team", i.e., excluding teams with equal wins and losses, Tua's combined rating in games against those winning teams — those I listed — is a whopping 106.6. I understand that's just looking at the games he won, but still it shows he can play VERY well against winning teams. No reason to think he won't do well overall against winning teams by the end of this year either.
The funny thing about all the "can't beat a bad team" talk is that during the recent lean crappy / mediocre years, there were plenty of times Miami beat the eventual Super Bowl champs. I know this, because a buddy of mine who is also a Dolphin's fan would always make a big production out of them being the "technical Super Bowl Champions." Stupid, I know, but we mostly just did it to piss of fans of other teams. Now that they have the best team they've put on the field in years, they can't seem to beat a team with a winning record. There's plenty to be said for Miami just beating the teams they should beat though. How many times over the past 2 decades + have we seen the Dolphins drop a head scratcher to a team they definitely shouldn't have lost to. It's part of the growth of this team. We do this exercise every year where we pick the wins and losses and right now it's looking about how a rational person might have expected it. Maybe even better! If the team keeps getting better and healthier, and beating the teams they should beat, the playoffs will happen. Get in and go from there!
I meant as a carry over from last year. If anything the Chargers were at their healthiest (always an excuse for them), at home and coming off a 10-7 playoff season and Tua played one of his best games of his career.
You compared Tua to the rest of the league WITHOUT looking at the data from the rest of the league....... LOL do you even read the **** you write? This is your MO....
LOL. No. The entire conversation wasn't about how Tua compares to other QBs against winning teams. If you want to research that, go ahead, but completely different. I just stated Tua has better weapons than most, which he does. You are so full of it and transparent. Try again.
There you go.... moving the goal posts. I said nothing about the entire conversation. I responded to one post where you referenced the rest of the league and you claimed I was changing the subject. You know people can read this stuff, right?
You responded to my, "Now do the Eagles..." which was specifically one of the 3 winnings teams the Dolphins lost to. The topic of discussion, with "Now you do the other 30+ QBs that have played this season....." Are you pretending the phrasing there wasn't related? LOL. TRY HARDER.
Are you pretending that you didn't compare to the rest of the QBs without supplying any info at all? This is what you Tua haters do. Criticize Tua with no idea if his performance is good or bad. You simply assume it must be bad and you are always wrong. I'm not surprised you don't try to back it up. You're sick of being wrong.
Just because I mentioned Tua has better weapons than most doesn't mean the topic changes. There's no real pretending needed. I wasn't comparing Tua's statistics against winning teams to other QBs. Full stop. That's a separate discussion. This isn't hard. If you'd like to research that, have at it, but as I already said, we know other teams/QBs HAVE beaten winning teams. A lot of the league and media see the Dolphins losing all their games against winning teams as a problem. There's ESPN's pretenders vs contenders segment for example. The problem with some of you guys is you refuse to admit reality, and then call everyone else who is being objective "hATErsz!"
Yep. It's all one big conspiracy. Let's wear tinfoil hats and call everyone haterzzz instead of admitting the problem.
Yes you did. The moment you compared Tua's passer rating against the Bills to their rating against all QBs. That is a comparison. Full stop.
Nope. That's not how topics work. The discussion was how Tua/Dolphins fare against winning teams. Not how other QBs fare. Just because I mentioned one of those team's defense against a player, doesn't mean I then have to compare their defense against EVERY player. That was YOUR moving of goalposts. YOUR attempt to shift the conversation. Keep grasping for straws instead of just admitting it. This is very enjoyable.
YES! I want an elite QB. I don't want a hey do what I tell you, like Gase wanted. "See it and throw it", that is what I want. You oddly seem to think one does not scan on the progressions. Never heard Marino say yeah i read through all the progressions and finally got to Duper who was streaking wide open for the entire play.
Where on earth did I in any shape or form say receivers should run any routes the want? Your proving my point about your reading comprehension and comprehension in general is not goo
I'm in now way jaded about Tua. I do not see him as completely flawless as some do. Some on here think he is elite and the best in the league. I like TUA a lot, I think he is probably top 5 QB. Some said Tua needed better teammates around him he has that now, but they still make excuses when he doesn't play perfectly. Like when the team wins it is because Tua did his thing, when they lose it is others fault.
Ignoring the facts is par for the course with you. Do you think the Dolphins would have fared better if the refs weren't so one sided? If you answer no, then you're lying. If you answer yes, then you're laughing at a post that's correct. Which one is it? Doesn't really matter, though, either way you're trolling.
I haven't read anyone here saying that Tua is flawless. I've read some here that think Tua is on his way to being elite, but has yet to get there. (I'm in that group) Mainly because he hasn't played long enough. If he keeps playing like he's played over the last 2 seasons he will be an elite QB. Only elite QB's are consistently leading, or close to the top, the league in all or most QB stats, being considered an MVP candidate consistently, and leading their team into the post season. Tua, since last year, has been doing all of those things. Sure, there is still a lot of season left so he may just crumble, the Dolphins may miss the playoffs, but right now none of that seems likely.
Precisely the point I was trying to make when discussing play designs. No quarterback can just sit back in the pocket and scan, scan scan…oh, that’s the ONE I want. It doesn’t work that way and it astounds me how “knowledgeable” fans can’t seem the grasp this. Some folks just seem to think the game is nothing more than a live action version of Madden, where you going to move the controller left, right, up, down until that 3rd or 4th receiver to finally open in the Endzone all by his lonesome.
Was just rewatching the end of the game and noticed we don’t run the 2 minute drill with urgency. After the big Mossert run to the 50 they posed and flexed but didn’t run the ball in and push. Sometimes they don’t take it serious enough because they think they can just get the yards.
Again, this makes no sense. Do you think a QB has time to scan #1 to #3 and then all the way back to #1 before #1 has even ran his route? If a QB doesn't throw to #1 it's usually because he has either noticed pre-snap that #2 o r#3 will be open based on the defensive alignment or after the snap they have seen #1 won't be open so move onto #2. Tua throws to the open guy more often than not, it's just happens to be that the open guy is the first read a lot. This is a combination of great play design, great wide receiver play and Tua processing the defence quickly to realise that the first read will be open and by Tua throwing the ball early so that when the receiver gets to his spot and and turns around the ball is literally hitting him in the hands. Think back to most of the other QB's we've had who would only see the receiver open after the receiver had made his break. Tua is seeing the WR be open from the pre-snap or way before the receiver makes his break, that's what people are talking about when they say Tua reads the field well. Every QB is going to miss big plays and wide open guys every so often. Tua also did it in the Chiefs game when he was too aggressive downfield with the throw to Waddle while Julian Hill was WIDE open underneath for a massive gain. That time he should have took the short guy rather than the deep guy.
No not even close. You have to play the clock there too. You can't score with 1:30 left and give the ball back to Mahomes.
You are the one claiming the QB is scanning the field hint.... through progressions. My comment is elite players see it all and throw it. At least you admit Tua misses some throws.
Lots of examples of elite players performing far worse than Tua did in those losses. I mean, right before Mahomes played the Dolphins he put up a 0 TD, 2 INT, 59.1 rating game against Denver. So there's nothing in Tua's play in those losses that should suggest he's not overall playing like an elite QB. Having said that, there's no question Tua is partly responsible for those losses. Other players were partly to blame too of course (including McD), and in the Philly game some of the blame was the refs (the only game I'd say that.. rest were typical home team biases).
Hell Mahomes didn't play any better than Tua in that game. The only difference is the anti-Tua crowd attributes it to the Dolphins defense playing well rather than Mahomes not playing well. In fact, both QB performances in that game were due, in large part, to the defenses. The other issue is that if Tua doesn't play efficiently, the Dolphins lose. In the past two seasons, the Dolphins have lost every game that Tua had a passer rating below 90. In contrast, the Chiefs have won 4 games in the last two seasons when Mahomes has a passer rating lower than 90. The Chargers have won 6 such games. The Bills have won 7. Cincy has won 4.
Well, that makes sense due to our defense being lousy. Hopefully we see a change there moving forward.
That is humanly impossible to do. I challenge you to watch the all 22 of any game and try to watch all the WRs running their routes simultaneously. And that's from a much broader perspective than a QB has at field level and without the interference of OL and DL flashing in front of your face. You suggesting that a QB should be able to do this shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the position. Better yet, here is Tua's helmet CAM from practice. What routes did each WR run?
2021: Beat NE twice!, a 10-7 playoff team Mac Jones eh? Beat New Orleans, who were 9-8 COVID Ian Brook 2022: Beat Ravens, a 10-7 playoff team September Beat Buffalo, a 13-3 playoff team September Beat Pittsburgh, who were 9-8 Kenny Pickett Barely Beat Detroit, who were 9-8 Probably the best win on road not in September
