My opinion we dont have a bigtime coach or Qb

Yeah, the Hill fumble and TD return was the difference in the game. KC also has one of the best defenses in the NFL, so gotta give them some credit

 

I think the biggest play, and worst play, momentum killing play of the game was on the second to last drive of the game on 1st and 10 in Kansas City territory, McDaniel calls Salvon Ahmed's number on a run play and it gets blown up for a 7 yard loss. That took the air out of that drive. A total buzzkill play. I like Ahmed. He was a good player when the Dolphins were less than a mediocre team, but he's not a player on a good team. I think McDaniel really blew that one.

 

Ahmed's lack of speed and burst was also displayed on the shovel pass on 3rd and long earlier in the game that could of went for a first down if it was Achane or Mostert, but Ahmed didn't have the burst to hit the hole and beat the defensive lineman.

He's reliable sort of. I get it. He doesn't fumble or anything but he's a practice squad player.

 

I don't see bad coaching or Quarterback play in these three losses. You've made this ALL about Tua and now McDaniels, but mostly about Tua. That's fine, we can agree to disagree because I'm seeing something totally different. What I see specifically in these three losses is us getting our *** whooped in the trenches. Buffalo, Philly, and KC...All of them beat us up where it matters the most on both sides. I think this team still has a long way to go with the O line especially. I think how well both the D and O line play get overlooked a lot. Especially when you're focused on one guy as you seem to be with Tua.

 

I was wondering about that since I didn't have a good view of it live. The snap was a little off, but certainly not to the point where it shouldn't have been caught. A real shame it ended that way since we had a decent drive going up until those last few plays.

 

Doesn’t that mean that it’s the correct spelling since we invented the language and your spelling is the “technically” not wrong version?

 

Most of this board are old guys who’ve been arguing with each other for 20 years about the Dolphins (if you include the other site). I’m late 40’s now as well.

I think we are all jaded by the Dolphins but if you look at things objectively rather than thinking “same old Dolphins” things are looking very, very bright for the Dolphins imho. This is the most excited I’ve been about the team since the early 90’s, I think we are genuine contenders this year.

As McDaniel said, it’s all a learning experience to make sure you are playing your best football come January. He and Tua will learn from these mistakes, I think it’s actually one of Tua’s best qualities. When he has a flaw he works his *** off to fix it.

 

The problem, as I see it when it comes to the fan base, is this little gadget you have in your hand gives you instant access to the world and the ability to express your opinion, and in message boards such as this, it’s almost a certainty someone is going to recognize you and respond.

The problem though with opinions is like my grandfather used to tell me when I was a boy, they’re like a$$holes, everybody’s got one and they all usually stink.

For some, it doesn’t matter what facts are…it doesn’t matter what the actual tangibles are, there are those who are going to narrow mindedly point their finger and saw what they believe is true.

We see it all of the time in every aspect of social media…so why would a sports message board be any different?

It would be nice though if the grown ups could have the room back.

 

The self inflicted wounds need to be corrected very soon

They are being affected by road environments with loud crowds and falling a part by the anxiety

Also Tua needs to control the situations better, he needs a more proactive approach with his legs. The great ones know how to attack for a first down or cut a defense when there is a lane there, they don’t wait til all else fails

If he doesn’t get this part of the game then his ceiling has a more limited one

 

I'd put some bad play calling on the coach, so that would be coaching. Tua certainly didn't play up to his average playing, so some has to be put on him. Those are the 2 main characters on the team, I guess blame could go on the punter instead.

The Eagles game we likely win if called remotely even. I toss that game out.

 

I'm excited by the team, but dang it does seem a lot like same ole same ole in certain games like yesterday.

 

Like I said I just see us getting whooped in the trenches and when that happens, not even Pat Mahomes can save the day. Take note of the super bowl a few years ago when KC played TB.

 

Hill deserves a good portion of the blame too. It was a team loss.

 

Unsure why he stopped calling Mostert's number when he and the line were tearing them up. Oh well. Another learning experience for our young coach and QB.

 

Yea, I was a little bewildered by that as well. Moestert was averaging what, 7 yards a carry?

That is one thing I have seemed to notice, we have a great running game but we’re abandoning it too soon.

McDaniel needs to watch the Karate Kid and take a lesson from Mr Myagi…”you remember balance”.

 

Here's the problem:. Are we going to be able to afford the offense if Tua gets a giant contract? You almost have got to be winning and contending in year 3 to have a couple shots before your rookie QB breaks the bank on the new contract.

That's a big concern.

 

Not quite. We would have beaten a .500 team. The Chargers are 3-4 right now.

 

LOL. Wut? In what world is .500 a winning record? It's .500.

When did I claim the Jets are the 2nd coming? They have a really good passing defense. They are a complete abomination on offense. Zach Wilson isn't NFL caliber.

 

It's not winning or losing, hence .500.

I can't believe I have to do this. If we are both trying to pick the most apples, and you have two applies and I have two apples. Who wins?

 

LOL. That's my question to you. You seem to think otherwise.

Contest for most apples. I have two apples, you have two apples. Who wins? Who loses?

 

In NFL team records, there's W-L-T. There's literally a separate "tied" column in "Win" or "Loss" records.

So no, they both aren't winners. They both get "ties."

 

I’d imagine they will structure Tua’s contract like the Hurts one. If you look at that he has cap hits of $21M, $31M, $41M in the first 3 years of the extension. When you extend Tua it means you get 2024 at $23M (5th year option), 2025 at around the same then 2026 at maybe $35M. People have been suggesting the salary cap may be at $300M by 2026 so paying your QB $35M isn’t an issue.

I don’t think Tua’s contract is going to be the massive issue people think it is. He probably won’t be counting over $40M against the cap until 2027.

It just means they have to be a bit better with some contracts, we can’t have guys like Ogbah earning $18M while contributing nothing.

 

Watching their body of work this year its pretty obvious Tuas skill set is more valuable than Herbert’s would be in this offense.

There are 3 QBs (Patty, Lamar, Burrow) you definitely take over Tua. The rest are arguments. In my opinion, thats a big time QB.

herbert is the great white hype. Next big game he wins at any level will be the first. Dak is mid. Stafford is too beatdown. Goff, Lawrence, Allen, are all arguments pro and con. Stroud may be one day soon. That’s it. He clears everyone else in the league. You’re splitting hairs to try and upgrade his spot (or mcdaniels for that matter). You build around them. Win with them.

 

Lamar?? No way. Ravens are not winning a SB as long as they have Lamar. Do you realize how terrible a playoff QB he is?

Lamar's ratings game-by-game in the playoffs are: 78.8, 63.2, 74.8, 61.5.

The only "elite" QBs right now are Mahomes, Burrow, Wilson (he had one bad year last year, but he's back), and Tua. Rodgers would be if he were still playing. Since Wilson and Rodgers are nearing the end of their careers it's only Mahomes and Burrow you'd take over Tua. Definitely not Lamar Jackson!

 

A lot of people have never watched Jackson play a full game. They only see his highlights.

 

The offense is catered to Tua's strengths, and the tools around him are insane. Put Tua outside of this offense you are going to have the same Jimmy G type of drop in performance from SF to Raiders where he went from a 103.0 passer rating in 2022 to a 78.1 in 2023 as predicted.

Problem is really going to be when you need to pay Tua, and then can't afford all the elite weapons around him to prop him up. SF & Purdy are in a similar boat, but Purdy is real cheap for a while.

 

You're right. The league MVP isn't going to be cheap.

 

It doesn't matter how Tua would fare in another system. He's elite in this system. Same can't be said for other QBs like Herbert. No evidence Herbert can perform as well as Tua in any system.

The rookie contract issue is real of course — having a QB on a rookie deal saves money you can put elsewhere — but there are also a lot of SB winners that win after the QB signs a huge deal. It's certainly not a reason to think Tua is going to "doom" this franchise lol.

 

But the league MVP has never shown that he can play at this level without high level weapons around him. I think he is putting up numbers that others wouldn't with the same weapons, but he doesn't play nearly the same without Hill and Waddle. So to me it's a concern if we can't stock these weapons around him.

 

Ha! If he wins the league MVP he deserves it. I just doubt it based on the media's stance at the moment.

 

In 2021, before Hill, Tua had a stretch of 5 out of 6 games with a 104+ rating throwing to a rookie Waddle, Mack Hollins, Albert Wilson, Isaiah Ford and Preston Williams.

Yeah, he's never played good outside the current system.

 

5 whole games? Wow!