Why the heck didn't we make an offer for Chase Young?

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  1. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    The Commanders traded Young to the Niners for a THIRD ROUND PICK! Why the hell didn't we offer them something?
     
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  2. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    How do you know they didn't?
     
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  3. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Well, if we'd offered them more than third rounder, we'd have him. So I have to imagine we didn't. Also, there's been no chatter about the Fins trying to get defensive help. Thing is, our defense is probably our weakest link at the moment.
     
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  4. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    Its like that SF, who has a bunch of cap space, gave up the 3rd round pick with the intention of resigning Young to a big deal if he's good for them. There's no way that Miami can afford that.

    We also need to make sure that we get long term answers with our high draft picks next year, because we're going to lose a bunch of people and need to replace them cheaply.
     
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  5. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Young would have likely been a one-season rental, but this team is built to win now. There is NO guarantee we're going to be this good next year. Sell out, all in. **** them picks.
     
  6. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    We'll just have to agree to disagree with the picks. I don't want to give away the future.

    Sending a 6th or 7th somewhere for a rental? Absolutely, lets do it.
     
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  7. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    We’ve got the #7, 17 and 37th ranked edge defenders according to PFF. Seems like we’ve got abundance here but could use ILB, S and OL help
     
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  8. JJ_79

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    Won‘t get o-line help unless you find somebody of the street the whole league needs o-line help and won‘t trade away what they‘ve got…
     
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  9. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    The Jags traded for Ezra Cleveland from the Vikings.
     
  10. JJ_79

    JJ_79 Well-Known Member

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    What did they gave up?
     
  11. Tuanon4Life

    Tuanon4Life Well-Known Member

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    I like keeping the pick and building a team for the long haul.
     
  12. JJ_79

    JJ_79 Well-Known Member

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    For a 6th, don’t know the player but that seems like a surprisingly good and unusual deal!
     
  13. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Not every player is available to all teams, some GM’s contact one or two teams when theyre targetting certain draft positions, some teams contact teams the player may be interested in.

    Im sure many wanted Tyreek Hill, he wanted to play in Miami, so KC made a call to us asking if we are interested and we made an offer. Same goes for Ramsey, he so badly wanted to play in Miami, LA called Miami.

    NFL trades are not like other sports or leagues, its a lot more complex.. in the NBA you can attach matching salaries and drsft picks and make the trade. In the NFL, the salary cap is much more complicated; which is why i kept saying all this Devante trade talk the media has been talking is complete nonsense.. same as the caleb williams to arizona draft talk.. the salaries Murray and Devante has means theyre almost impossible to move.
     
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  14. Two Tacos

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    Yeah they need to focus on resigning and hitting on picks to keep the team. They should really be trying to keep this team. Not sending a 3rd for a player that needs to be resigned at the end of the year. They got Ramsey for a 3rd.
     
  15. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    That's not really possible. We're going to be like $40 million over the cap next season and if Tua continues to play well and doesn't get injured, he's going to get a big contract, which will make the situation even worse. We're going to have to let a lot of guys go this offseason and there's no guarantee they'll be replaced with similar talent. Win now. You're not promised a next year.
     
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  16. Fireland

    Fireland Well-Known Member

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    Paying Tua will help the cap situation for next year. After that not so much.
     
  17. Springveldt

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    We don’t need to let anyone vital go next year if we don’t want to, the cap isn’t as bad as it seems right now.

    Ogbah, Baker and X won’t see that money, then you give Tua his new deal and that saves a lot against the cap next year. Those 4 moves alone will probably save over $40M. Then they can probably restructure Tyreek to give him more guaranteed which would save a lot.

    They have plenty of options to move cap space around next season. 2025 is the year big decisions need to be made.
     
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  18. Two Tacos

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    It's not possible if you are wasting 3rds on 1/2 season rentals of players like Chase Young. Whose snaps does he take? How does using a third on a pass rusher make any sense with Ogbah and Gink already on the team as depth? Young isn't better than Phillips or Chubb. I'm not sure he is better than Gink. The cap is manageable if you draft smart. 40M over will be gone with a few obvious moves.

    Since 2020 the Dolphins have drafted B Jones, H long, C Tindal, and Achane in the 3rd. That's a 50% hit rate counting Tindal as a miss and not an incomplete. Rookies make much less money than free agents or veteran trades. They can have nice toys and keep them, or replace them cheap if they let Greir Grier. He turned a 3rd into Ramsey. That's going all in for this year and a few years after. Not wasting that capital on your deepest position on defense.
     
  19. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    You have a higher opinion of our pass rush than I do.
     
  20. Two Tacos

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    Miami is 4th in sacks. With our best pass rusher hurt for a good chunk of the season. What problems do you have with the pass rush, and whose spot would Young take? Gink has one less sack and double the tackles as a back up at OLB and ILB.
     
  21. TheHighExhaulted

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    I believe they are also towards the top in pressures and QB hits.
     
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  22. Unlucky 13

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    4th in sacks
    2nd in sack yardage
    1st in QB hits
    5th in sack percentage
    7th in tackles for loss

    And after a rough first game vs LAC, they're up to T12th in average rush against.
     
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  23. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    We piled up sacks against inferior teams. We need to get pressure against QBs like Josh Allen.
     
  24. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    Woe is us. We only have the best record in the AFC, instead of being undefeated. How embarassing.
     
  25. Two Tacos

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    We are discussing a trade for Chase Young. Not Myles Garret.
     
  26. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    I never said we were doing badly as a team. But the defense has not been getting pressure against good offensive lines. We're going to need that later in the year.
     
  27. Fishhead

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    I like Young, but I think he benefits greatly from having three other really good linemen playing alongside him (Why they aren’t as effective as in the past couple years is a story for a Commanders thread). Plus, he’s missed a lot of time since he was drafted.

    Like someone else said, I would have liked to trade for a TE, but didn’t really hear any interesting names floated out there. I think maybe they will try to utilize Claypool in that role - not necessarily where they line him up, but in the routes he runs - especially in the red zone.
     
  28. The_Dark_Knight

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    Amazing how this exchange evolved.

    Our pass Tua sucks…don’t have faith in it.

    Stats show a different story, that it’s actually pretty good.

    “Yea but…”

    We have a good defense and it’s been getting better week after week. The pass rush is so good the only way the Eagles we’re able to stop it was hold our rushers all night long…and get away with it.
     
  29. Finatik

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    It’s called the Stockholm syndrome. We’ve all been held hostage for so long under a crappy team, that’s all we can see and now relate to it. LoL.
     
  30. StaleTacos

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    And we paid what for Chubb?
     
  31. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    What? He’s been on fire. Do you not watch the games? You can choose so many more to dog. You’re Fn hilarious.
     
  32. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    Don't bite.
     
  33. Finatik

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    I’m sitting watching this horrible game and passing the time. I love taco man. He’s a jackarse. But he’s are jackares.
     
  34. Finatik

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    I told my wife that last night.
     
  35. StaleTacos

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    *our

    Don't you have work tomorrow?
     
  36. Finatik

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    Love it.
    I’m up at 5am for cross fit. Then work. Plus I drive limos when they need me. I’m a working MoFo. I grew up poor. You never know when the money is going to stop.
     
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