Philly lose

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  1. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    Good game. To heavy weights in mid season form pounding it out. The score was worse than what I thought the game was.

    Somewhat undisciplined in pressure situations. Too many penalties. I get he zebras were crap, but if that’s all you got….OK.

    Defense showed up. Not a complete effort but lots of good stuff with incoming firepower.

    Bills lose makes this not the “OMG WERE FD” knee jerk pushed to next week.

    KC got pushed today by a division rival but they are better than the Eagles.
     
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  2. Alan in England

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    we have lost to the only 2 decent teams played so far. The 5 wins were against mediocre teams. Need to beat Pats and LV in the next 3 games as the KC game will be another loss.
     
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  3. JJ_79

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    The healthier team won with the refs calling a one sided game. Watching the refs and listening to the broadcast was the worst thing of the whole game only so much a team can do to win in this league…
     
  4. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Did the Eagles win? At the end of the game, the scoreboard read what the scoreboard read.

    Now, take the blatant awful officiating and put it off to the side for a moment. Just set it way over there for a second.

    Philadelphia’s win last night against the Dolphins…they lucked out and played against a wounded beast.

    Armstead- out
    Williams- out
    Wynn- out
    Achane- out
    Howard- out

    Any significant others that I’m missing?

    The Eagles didn’t play the Dolphins last night, they played the “Dol”. Anyone who thinks Philadelphia has bragging rights because they beat Miami…well you didn’t beat Miami at their best. You won against a wounded team. Congratulations, you beat up on a bunch of backups. That’s what you’re supposed to do against backups.

    Now add in the horrible officiating. It’s bad enough Miami was fielding a squad of backups and having to compete in Philadelphia, but when the officials won’t even call a FAIR game?

    The deck was stacked against Miami the moment they stepped off the plane. They couldn’t even get a FAIR game.
     
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  5. Tuanon4Life

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    If anyone thinks last night's officiating was bad last night just wait for the KC game in two weeks. The league is going to make sure Taylor Swift has home field advantage in the playoffs.
     
  6. resnor

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    Honestly, it's getting hard to not believe that the NFL is WWE.
     
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  7. mlb1399

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    There was never a point leading up to this game where I thought Miami was going to win on the road against a team coming off of a loss, especially without Howard, Williams and Wynn.

    If we can go into the Bye week 6-3, that’s better than what I would have expected against this schedule. Hopefully we can get healthy on that Bye week and finish strong 6-3 or 7-2. I just don’t see us winning a playoff game on the road in Buffalo or KC, so home field advantage would be nice.

    My biggest concern coming into this season, outside of Tua staying healthy, is whether we can compete with the big boys in the trenches. In both games, we got beat badly at the LOS on offense.
     
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  8. dolphin25

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    I felt early on that they were not going to let the Dolphins win. The facemask call for PI not called was one of many. Not sure if that female was in on that call again or not. The RTP call on Wilkins was ridiculous, saw a much worse one on Mac Jones not called. The holding that took away the Hill TD was not called against Eagles later in the game.
     
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  9. StaleTacos

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    Not even mediocre, the Dolphins only beat very bad teams. Coming into Sunday, the teams they beat had a combined record of 5-24. The Eagles this season weren't even a strong defense team, and still held the Dolphins to 10 points on offense.
     
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  10. jdallen1222

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    I tell ya what Wilkins lining up offsides multiple times didn’t help. Wtf he doin?
     
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  11. dolphin25

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    it was very odd. I mean how difficult is it to not do that?
     
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  12. Fishhead

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    The Eagles have the 9th best overall defense, and are #2 against the run. They have two really good corners, and one of the top DLs in the league.

    PS. The Chargers are not “very bad”, and just when you think the Pats are firmly in that category, they go out and beat the Bills.
     
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  13. KeyFin

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    I know in the past, the refs would tell the player that they had lined up in the neutral zone. Given Philly's "cheat code" on 3rd and 1, I was surprised that they threw so many flags on a play the NFL is thinking about banning. Now you're punishing players who are doing their best to stop it? Even with him offsides, Philly converted every single time.

    It's like pouring salt on the wound, in a way.
     
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  14. StaleTacos

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    In terms of passer rating against the Eagles are rated as 23rd. Chargers are 31st, and Broncos dead last at 32nd. The Dolphins faced exactly one team in the top 15, and that was the Bills at 13.

    The Eagles didn't particularly even do a good job against Tyreek. That's the majority of the Dolphins passing offense. They double teamed him and was still open in the end zone with 3 yards of separation. Guy is a cheat code.
     
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  15. JJ_79

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    That is what sours sports for me in general. I mean I can live with bad refereeing, if it goes both ways but not when its biased. Same thing in soccer, when I watch the Bundesliga, the big money teams always get the benefit of the doubt and get calls that the other team doesn’t get. Besides the bias I don’t understand how the refereeing is this bad in most sports with all the technical help the refs have nowadays…
     
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  16. OwesOwn614

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    I'm not going to say we lost because of the officiating. We didn't make plays when we needed to make them. We gave up too many crucial plays, especially on fourth downs. Goedert ate all night and Hurts played a heckuva game. The OL crumbled when we needed it most and when Philly adjusted for Hill, we didn't take advantage of Wilson, Waddle, or Berrios. And I'd rather we use Mostert and Ahmed in a short passing game more than throwing downfield to them.

    With all of that being said, I wouldn't feel as bad about the loss if I thought we were playing on a level field. The Eagles got their first touchdown on a play with a clear (and easily spotted) uncalled penalty. Then, there were two obvious missed PI calls. I'm done with griping because nothing will change and what's done is done. I expect this will be the best week of practice we've had since the season started and hope it translates into turning up the sterno under Bill's seat.
     
  17. KeyFin

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    I don't like blaming the refs either, but when you see a receiver thrown to the ground by his facemask...a line has to be drawn. It's just not good for football.
     
  18. JJ_79

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    + the Eagles got 0 penalties, I mean come on…
     
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  19. Silverphin

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    Yeah, that's my main issue. The only time the Eagles were flagged was in situations where penalties offset. 0 penalties vs. Miami's 10? Nah. There was definitely a conspiracy.
     
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  20. Fishhead

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    And the ones the Eagles committed were blatant, not ticky-tack fouls.
     
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  21. TheHighExhaulted

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    I'm over the loss. It was on the road against a Superbowl favorite, an NFC team, with clearly bias officiating towards one side and a whole bunch of injuries. With all that said, they were in the game until the last minutes.

    Call them a fraud for losing two road games at two completely hostile environments against two Superbowl contenders, whatever. Still in first place with a shellacking of the Patriots at home on deck.
     
  22. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    This /\
     
  23. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I agree completely. We weren't supposed to win on the road with 60% of our line out, our best RB out, and our top 3 corners out. It was a tall order against an elite team and we came up short. It's just one L and we knew that we'd earn a few of those this season.
     
  24. OwesOwn614

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    Social Media Detectives Expose One NFL Ref For His Sketchy History & Hometown After He Made Numerous Bad Calls On Sunday

    BALTIMORE, MARYLAND – OCTOBER 22: A referee stands with their penalty flag tucked away during the game between the Detroit Lions and Baltimore Ravens at M&T Bank Stadium on October 22, 2023 in Baltimore, Maryland. (Photo by Patrick Smith/Getty Images)
    The Miami Dolphins were not given a fair shake when they played the Philadelphia Eagles on Sunday night.

    The Eagles logged what was easily their most impressive win of the season in a 31-17 victory over the Dolphins on “Sunday Night Football” but it did not come without a ton of controversy.

    One of the biggest missed plays was Eagles cornerback James Bradberry grabbing Cedrick Wilson Jr.’s facemask during a route in the third quarter. The move prevented Wilson from making an attempt to catch Tua Tagovailoa’s pass.

    There’s no argument about it. It was a penalty. But the refs didn’t throw a flag.


    On the next play, Eagles quarterback Jalen Hurts threw a pick-six to Jerome Baker, in a move that many viewed as karma for the missed call.

    Something fishy was going on all throughout this game as the Dolphins were flagged nine times compared to no penalties on the Eagles through over three-quarters of play. By the end of the game, the Dolphins would have 10 penalties for 70 yards and the Eagles did not have a single infraction.

    It was so bad that social media did some digging on one ref named Duane Heydt who made multiple critical calls including a a hold that took a TD away and the roughing of the passer penalty on Christian Wilkins.

    He has a sketchy past that includes his crew being suspended from the ACC championship game for unethical refereeing.

    Fans also found out where he grew up and it is suspiciously close to Philadelphia.





    This is something that truly needs to be investigated.

    Jalen Hurts threw for 279 yards, threw two touchdown passes, and ran for a score to lead the Philadelphia Eagles to a 31-17 win. The Super Bowl teams from last season, the champion Kansas City Chiefs and Eagles are the only 6-1 teams in the NFL.

    Tagovailoa was 23 of 32 for 216 yards in his first head-to-head matchup against Hurts in the NFL.
    https://www.totalprosports.com/nfl/...w-suspended-ncaa-unethical-lives-near-philly/
     
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  26. OwesOwn614

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  29. Fishhead

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    Glad we’re not the only ones who noticed, although you’d kinda have to be blind or a moron not notice (cough:: Tirico and Collinsworth::cough).
     
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  30. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    I can't solely blame the refs, but that was a mess last night from an officiating perspective. I think we're a wounded team right now. I didn't know we were as banged up as we are, but again, no excuses for that. I thought that Tua could have played better, but the offensive line gave him little to no time and we were forced to be one-dimensional due to not being able to run the ball. Their safeties played comfortably deep all night long and it made things extremely hard on Tua and company.
    We've got to find a way to run the ball against the better teams in this league. Achane was badly missed last night and it showed. With that being said, Mostert did some good things when he found openings. The bottom line was the Philly offense kept our offense off the field for the majority of the night, and that was the difference. I feel like if you can't run the ball, then your defense better be good enough to bail you out on the other side. Neither happened for us and I think that's why we lost. We're better than what we put out there last night and I'm not worried at all about this. We're still in first place and that's all that matters.

    As far as the blame game goes, I think it was a team effort last night. I know the 3-4 anti-Tua Simps that are still loitering on this forum are all too happy to blame him, but he was way down the list as far as why we lost that game.
    Our DLine was bad last night. Swift ran consistently on us. He picked up nice yards that allowed the Eagles to stay in manageable downs all night long. Not once did we back them up and put them in a 3rd and Hell no. Losing David Long was big, I hope he's good to go next week. Secondary gave up too many big plays too. I love Kader Kohou when he's not playing outside. Problem is, he's been forced out of position due to injuries, and he got smoked by an alpha receiver last night in AJ Brown. Again, no Howard, no Ramsey...Yeah, we need those guys if we're serious about winning anything this year.
    On the bright side, it was nice to see Jaelen Phillips out there. He's quickly becoming my favorite defensive player on this team (aside from Wilkins). Speaking of Wilkins, he had a rough game last night too.
    I do think Philly deserves recognition where it's due. They have a stellar offensive line. Tua would throw for 7,000 yards and 60 TDs behind that O line J/K, but seriously, that's the best O-line in the league. I think defensively they were flawless against us. Their front seven is well built and filled with top-notch talent, and depth that most teams only dream of having. That was absolutely a Super Bowl team we played last night. In fact, I don't think anybody is beating them this year in the postseason barring an injury.

    As for the other side of the game,
    The officiating was absolutely terrible last night!
    My love for pro sports has wavered a bit over the years. I notice that I don't get as upset as I used to back in the day. I do feel like things are a bit scripted/fixed these days. Not with all the games, but with specific ones in general. I've never in my life been a conspiracy theory kind of guy, but I have to say that there is something weird going on with the league over the last 6-8 years. It's gone back further than that I'm sure, but I started really noticing it back when New England still had Tom Brady. Like I said, I don't think the fix is in on every single game. I think there are games where they just call it as they see it. I think other times, the script is written, but a team just plays so well against the favored team that it doesn't matter. T best example I can give would be two years ago when Tampa Bay played the Rams in the playoffs. The refs always loved Brady and he was always going to get special treatment from them. In that game, the refs did their best to make it a game and they damn near succeeded in doing so as TB rallied to tie it and send the game into overtime. The Rams were lucky enough to score first and that was that.
    In conclusion, we have to play well enough to where the refs CAN'T decide the game for us. It's as basic as it gets. That's why I don't fully blame the zebras for this one. There were a ton of things we could have done better in this game.
     
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  31. mlb1399

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    The other thing I was just looking at is our defensive rankings. We’re 26th in scoring defense, 21st in takeaways and 20th in yards. Some of this is because of how fast our offense can score but has a team ever won a Super Bowl or made a Super Bowl with the 26th ranked scoring defense?

    The other alarming stat is we’re -3 in Turnovers.
     
  32. cbrad

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    Closest SB winners to Miami right now statistically are the Peyton Manning led Colts in 2006 and Drew Brees led Saints in 2009. The 2006 Colts were #2 on offense and #23 on defense, while the Saints were #1 on offense and #20 on defense. The lowest ranked defense that ever won a SB is the 2011 Giants. That defense was #25 (offense was #9).

    btw.. Peyton and Brees were #1 in passer rating in those years. Tua is currently #2 after Purdy (pending today's game of course).

    So it's possible, just quite unlikely. However, it is notable that all these examples are happening in the last 20 years where the passing offense is the most important component of a typical SB winner. So maybe slightly more likely than it would be if you looked at all NFL history.
     
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    Well.. pending no more. Purdy's INT at the end means Tua is still #1 in passer rating after week 7! Tua is at 110.4 while Purdy is at 107.2. Anyway, good to see SF lose. Even "strong" teams lose. So only KC and Philly are 6-1 and the Dolphins are in the next group of 5-2 teams (Dolphins, Ravens, Jags, Detroit, SF).
     
  34. TheHighExhaulted

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    49ers lost to the Vikings.

    Bills lost to the Pats.

    Everyone's darling Lions got demolished by the Ravens.

    Dolphins lose on the road to the defending NFC champs and get trolled by the media as frauds.
     
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    Yeah, and it might get worse if we lose to KC, which is entirely realistic. KC is the SB favorite and starting to play like it too. Doesn't really matter. I think we're on track for our first division win since 2008.

    This team is on the cusp. Hopefully by year's end we're ready for a SB run. Need better defense, and McDaniel needs to learn from the tough losses we've had. Game plan wasn't as good as it should have been against Philly for one.
     
  36. TheHighExhaulted

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    All I'm seeing is "San Fran was missing Trent Williams and Deebo Samuel". Injury excuses for other teams are valid.

    By the way, Purdy looked like a scared little boy last night. I think he's finally coming back down to earth. Two of the ugliest interceptions you will ever see with the game on the line. We are finally getting to see him play having to comeback from behind.
     
  37. TheHighExhaulted

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    Even though we are frauds:

    Dolphins are still 5th favorite for the Super Bowl

    Dolphins are still 2nd favorite for the AFC.

    Dolphins are still favorites to win the AFC East.

    They haven't been relatively healthy all season, missing some key superstars and they are still in this position. Beat the Pats, beat the Chiefs at a neutral site and go into the bye to get healthy and come out flying for the stretch run.
     
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  38. VManis

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    + Jaylen Jamsey I know people overlook him since he hasn't played a snap but he is supposed to be our starting CB.
     
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  39. VManis

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    Personally, I think the number one reason we lost this game was the Brotherly Shove as three of their four TD drives were aided by that play. Philly is the only team in the league which has perfected the play and it influences the way they can call plays. Without several of those drives don't continue, TOP is altered and the outcome of the game is changed.
     
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    this is interesting
     

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