Tua press conference today: Can you explain what happened on the two interceptions? – "On the first interception, I think it's what I've done best, is looking guys off and no-looking throws into holes like that. I talked to Christian Harris – buddy, Alabama – and told me that, 'dude, you did that so much to us last year that like I was like, okay, just trust my drop in this area.' And he's like, I'm not falling for it. And that's basically what happened. So it's a good play for him. And that, too, the mind game of that, it's like, 'wow, I never thought that you'd figure that out, that piece of the game out.' So kudos to him. And then on that last one. Man, I wish I could have that one back. That one, I was trying to maneuver someone and it didn't work out with one of the receivers and that's that was the only place to ditch the ball. I probably should have just sailed it to the ground but it's a good play. It's a good play by him." ....This just confirms a lot of what we've been saying. Tua doesn't go through his progressions properly. He's just throwing to a spot pre-snap. He's looking somewhere else to throw defenders off, but is not actually going through progressions. Regardless of if the receiver is there, or the defender is there, the ball is going there, "no-looking throws into holes."
This has been my number one issue with Tua since he's been here. He often/usually decides presnap where he's going with the ball, and then just launches it right after taking the snap. Sometimes it works, other times it goes to a guy who's completely covered while if he had taken a few seconds and looked around, could have seen another player was wide open. It also directly ties into how poor he's been at getting the ball to a check down player for short yardage and making something of a play that's well defended, and instead either taking far too long desperately trying for the big shot and getting hit hard or turning the ball over. A lot of times, this even has basically given away first downs because he never looked at the guy who could have easily gotten 5 when they needed 3, and tried to get 20 instead.
First of all, let's not get crazy about a mid-August scrimmage. Agree 100% Tua has to check the ball down or scramble for the 5 yards this year. This was reportedly worked on this off-season. The "throwing to a predetermined spot" every play and "never going through progressions" was debunked in the infamous Tua thread with numerous videos, game film, GIFs, images, all kinds of visual evidence that goes largely ignored by a partisan party here. It's no secret that a majority of McDaniel's offense is timing based. So, which is it going to be this year? Are we going to run with the "he takes the snap and throws it immediately with no regard if a receiver is covered" or will it be the "all he does is throw it to wide open receivers down the field"? Looks like the former is leading so far.
It wasn't remotely debunked. You can show me a video where you see Tua looking at one WR and throw to another and say, "Look! He's going throw his progressions!" But as Tua explains here, he's looking to another receiver just for show, to get defenders to bite, and there's no intent. Ultimately, he's just "no-looking throws into holes." Corroborated by Sherfield when he left. Obviously, it's never going to be 100%, but this is a massive part of his game that teams will learn/have learned how to defend.
Sherfield also said Allen does the same thing. All quarterbacks do. Mahomes makes a living off of it when he actually stays in the pocket. It's not a foreign concept.
Not remotely the same thing. The Dolphins scheme is built on this because it can't physically do the things Allen and Mahomes can do.
Neither Mahomes nor Allen should be a model that anyone else is trying to copy. They're both high risk players who excel based on their extreme physical gifts, but neither is actually a great pocket passer. They're far more John Elway or Brett Favre than Joe Montana or Peyton Manning.
Please please please not another 23,548 posts on Tua is bad, no he's good. You all have run so many off this board already with this BS. BTW - He had TD throws to Mostert, Berrios, Hill and Cracraft. But none of that was mentioned.
Then don't respond? I mean, you do you, but commenting to other people, about the "trolls" posts is the same as responding directly to the "troll." But willingly violating the ToS would seem to be trolling also, wouldn't it?
Curiously, that clip didn't break the internet like the pass he threw in camp last year that went 50 yards before slightly fluttering on the way down. I wonder why?
T That was a pretty routine rollout pass. It was a nice pass but not something that should break the Internet or be featured on ESPN. You guys seem overly impressed by Tua making routine plays.
I like Tua. I think that he has a lot of potential. But he's certainly not perfect and has a few things that he really could improve on. The most glaring being the topic of this thread. I don't see why that should be such a big deal for a 25 year old guy.
Curiously, the video clip where Ryan Clark criticizes Tua's offseason work ethic, someone in the panel specifically mentions the successful drive and said that McDaniel gave him plays where he had to make reads. So some don't think it's a problem. Personally, he threw for almost 70% (for the second season in a row) and had high advanced metrics last season. Suggesting that he doesn't make reads comes across like looking for something, anything to complain about. Arguing that he doesn't make reads when he's objectively performing at an elite level is like griping that your Ferrari has poor gas mileage.
Guys, seriously, not trying to bash Tua here, but what was so special about that pass that it should break the internet and be featured all over?
The things that come to mind first: It was a back foot pass that was tight and on target. Back foot throws are typically erratic wobblers that are thrown up for grabs. It was a left armed pass thrown while rolling to the right. That's hard for any QB. It belied the "he throws to spots" narrative and showed a hot read under pressure. Just my opinion, but it wasn't a routine pass. With that being said, it's practice and preseason, but we are allowed to get hyped when it's all we get to see.
Throwing from the back foot is a problem in itself, and a QB should avoid it whenever possible. He does it a lot more than I'm comfortable with. And I know that other QBs do too these days, but that doesn't make it right. For decades, it was a cardinal sin for the position.
There were a lot of aspects of what happened last season that yielded good results but could have been disasterous. I'm glad things ended well most of the time, but that doesn't mean that the process was what it should have been. Sometimes a good process doesn't result in the what you want right away, and sometimes with a poor one, you get lucky. You can cross a street without looking and not get hit by a car, but that doesn't mean it was the best way to go about it.
Ok, that’s cool, brah. It doesn’t look like a real back foot throw to me. It looks like he squared up a bit right before he threw it and seems like it should be a somewhat routine throw. I don’t know. I most certainly could be wrong. I just don’t see it as throw that should “break the internet”, but that’s just me. I’ve seen Tua make some throws that are more worthy of such praise. Not getting this one. Good play, but….
1. That was not a back foot throw in the normal sense that you are falling backwards which is the real problem, he was squared up field and his mometum was going upfield. 2. Rolling out to the opposite side of your throwing hand is not that hard to do and is routine for an NFL QB, you can actually generate more torque and get more zip on the ball that way than if you were to roll out to your throwing side. I've heard some QBs even say they prefer Rolling out to the opposite side of their throwing hand. 3. That is not a hard play to make a read on, you basically have 2 or 3 options running different level routes all on the same side of the field, you just have to pick one you think is open. Again, overall a routine play, not something that should be making headlines.
Unless he didn't make the throw then you two would be all over it. I've been just sitting in the background and have to say it's comical they way you two approach Tua. Every mistake is the end of the world. Every good thing is either routine or it isn't even mentioned or commented on. Just an observation from the peanut gallery.
Ok, Mr Peanut. Again, I don’t know how to be more clear. I wasn’t bashing Tua at all. I just don’t see that as some “breaking tie internet”, “wow” type of throw. I thought it was a good throw. I was a bit surprised at the reactions. That’s all.
It just seemed you only replied because it was a positive. Or when something isn't perfect. Sometimes one needs to take a step back and assess one's self and say, "self am I actually doing what many are saying". You may come to the conclusion no, be some self actualization might be in order. Mr. Peanut
His front foot was literally off the ground. Of course, the throw didn't break the internet the way a 50 yard on-target pass did that fluttered a bit on the way down. But if you are suggesting that it wouldn't be played on loop if it was Patrick Mahomes making the same play in a game, then you're clearly not paying attention. Mahomes can make a 5 yard off-hand shovel pass while escaping pressure and he's lauded as the GOAT for it. He is the GOAT, BTW. But if Tua made the exact same play, Dolfans would jump in and say "a QB shouldn't make off-hand passes or throw shovel passes, and a 5 yard pass is nothing special". We are defined by our agendas and we see what we want to see.
