Tua is not the Problem

Res??? Why??? Why does any of this matter why are you partaking in a nonsensical exercise.

The guy was a top 3 mvp player in his first year in the system… ON TOUR ****ING TEAM..25 year old player

Why do you need to try and justify this stupid debate to bring down our Qb?

All of you doing this?? ****ing go somewhere else to do it

Freakin trolls, it’s ****ing pathetic

 

Because for me it's not about Tua. It's talking about the Wunderlic that people brought up.

This place is toxic. Either post the way people want, or get the **** out.

This site has gone full circle.

 

Yup and the three stooges all thanked your post

If you don’t think these trolls are out to get Tua then you’re blind bud.

They ****ing brought up his wonderlic score lol

This part of the site is toxic because you’re allowing them to control this forum with bias narrative that has no room for any type of balanced discussion, you know the part where he was the MVP favorite deep into the season at 25 years old in his first year in a complex system

But no these trolls wanna talk about his wonderlic score and thank each other doing so

So you are right this part of the site is toxic..

And that’s because you have given the power to the trolls

Guess what I ain’t leaving and I will stay on their asses, Been here twenty years almost, I’ve seen trolls come and go they aren’t the first and won’t be the last.

Mods can ban me or them

Like seriously Res how they hell are you not excited about this season? And why the hell are you in here supporting their position about a wonderlic

Who the **** cares??

 

The Wonderlick reminded me a lot of the ASVAB (Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery) that I took in high school. That test is designed to assess a person's intellectual skills set for potential MOS placement in the military. Based on that, I can see why the Wonderlick is no longer used for players about to enter the NFL. It's a pointless exercise that assesses nothing relevant to a player's ability on the field and any continued reference to it in this forum is nothing more than a further demonstration of stupidity.

 

Just because someone agrees with my position on low scores on an easy test in no way means we are in agreement on what that means for Tua specifically.

I routinely click like on posts of posters that I don't necessarily agree with, but that their post contained information or ideas that I find helpful or that I agree with.

We have got to get out of this zero-sum-game mentality that is present here, and be able to engage in discussing concepts without assuming things about the posters. Case in point, I am excited for the season. People take my positions on things like the Wunderlic, and extrapolate that to mean that I think Tua is trash.

 

Come on bro they ain’t here to have civil balanced football discussions about the Qb in this particular thread

Let’s see what they come up with next??


We’re waiting

 

Have you taken the Wonderlic…or at least one of the online practice tests? I did and disclosed my results.

I certainly didn’t think it an “easy@ test. Just asking honestly.

 

but, they still use it.

 

We don't really know which teams are still doing it because it was the league who did it before at the combine and now they don't. Sounds like the S2 test is what teams are going with because that is the only thing that has been reported on.

 

Yes I took an online one years ago, and thought it was nothing difficult. It would be harder now, as I haven't been on school now for years, and so some of the problem solving and math skills don't get used so much anymore like when I was in classes and stuff.

 

If Tua stays healthy and performs like last year for the next 2 years (105+ rating) then I think there is a decent chance we might make or even win the Superbowl.

If Herbert continues to play like he has so far in his career (96 rating) then I think there is very little chance the Chargers win or make the Superbowl in the next 2 years.

 

Let me guess, 7 years and 20K posts of debating Ryan Tannehill wasn't toxic?

Some of you just can't let it go.. And the most toxic ones that kept the circular arguments are gone or banned.
Even worse than that is the individuals that can't let go of the preconceived ideas drive out new members to the site with their nonsensical arguments.

DJ is right. We had a top 3 MVP candidate, the highest rated QB in the league and you want to discuss his pre-draft Wonderlic scores?

 

It's funny, I'm in commercial real estate and deal with guys all the time that can barely string together a sentence in an email and would likely fail these standardized tests.. many of these same people are self made millionaires with incredible intuition, steel balls, ridiculous work ethic and drive. There were times I'd send detailed, complex emails but I quickly realized that short and sweet would generate the quickest response.

Life isn't always about book smarts or passing these outdated tests, there are so many other variables that impact how one performs in their field of work.

 

Don't forget his GPA.

 

That was hitman who stated the Bills didn't even bother to run a defense that week after the Dolphins had been "figured out" by the Chargers and Packers because they only had 6 days instead of 7 to prepare.

 

Again, I'm not discussing HIS scores. It's a discussion about the Wonderlic.

Yeah, Tannehill was toxic also. For the same ****ing reasons.

The toxic part is that some people are unable to allow others to have opinions.

Like my opinion that Tua shouldn't throw into triple/quadruple coverage, a poster spent several lengthy posts attempting to convince me that my opinion was wrong, and attempting to explain away poor throws.

I can't help but notice you didn't have a problem with that.

But I can't talk about a simple test.

 

Again, I never said anything about the results of his Wunderlic meaning he's stupid.

I've been talking in generalities about the test.

 

Someone disputing and challenging your opinion is not the same thing as that person "not allowing you to have an opinion". This post of yours is suggesting that the person who challenged you shouldn't be allowed to post his opinion!

 

In a thread titled "is Tua the problem". After multiple pages debating whether Tua's Wunderlic indicated a problem. You have to see what that looks like to everyone else. You didn't start a new thread call "The Wunderlic, should we care?". Then, when people comment on your opinion you make a woah is me, everybody hates me, nobody likes me, might as well go eat worms post. I mean this as respectfully as possible, but you seem a tad sensitive at times for debating things on the internet. If you feel someone is being mean or trollish i recommend ignoring them. I have a bunch of people on ignore from this thread. However, someone disagreeing with you isn't stifling your opinion.

 

The big difference being smart would never hurt you, but the inverse isn't true. Having difficulties learning and memorization could hurt when it comes to learning the playbook, knowing where players line up, routes, adjusting plays, ect...

So while your point is there's dumb people that are successful, those people had to overcome hurdles such as the ones you mentioned that smarter people wouldn't.

 

Tuning into this thread is like watching re-runs of Friends. It's usually not very funny, same thing over and over again and the same core cast repeating the same lines over and over again - with special guest appearances from idiots like me dropping in every now and again!

 

No one cares..

 

Agree to disagree.

 

Seriously, nobody cares

 

He obviously picked up a Mike McDaniel, offensive guru, playbook pretty quick as opposed to whatever bullflop was being thrown to him his first two years. I'm not even counting the being sabotaged portion of it.

 

LOL. And you still don't get it....

 

Oh they get it, don't let them fool you. In their minds their schemes are executed perfectly. In THEIR minds.

 

Resnor tries to play stupid and make it seem like he's talking in "generalities", when we all know what he's saying. He's stated multiple times that to wonderlic is so "stupidly easy", it's "equivalent to someone failing 2nd grade math" and you have to "question anyone that scores low on it". All quotes.

Generically speaking, though in a Tua thread.

 

It's not just about disputing or challenging an opinion, there is a croud of Tua supporters on here who have a viceral reaction to anything even remotely negative that is said about Tua. Even resorting to insults and calling for people to be banned or threads to be shut down simply because everyone is not as hunky dory about Tua as they are.

 

So what? Everyone is not obligated to have a positive opinion of Tua, Res has been up and down on Tua, in line with Tua's up and down career so far. I dont see anything wrong with that. You act like he's insulting your mother or something.

 

I brought up the short week as one of many possible reasons why they did not change their defensive scheme to copy what the chargers did. There could be many reasons from personnel fit to injuries, to maybe them thinking their defense was already pretty good so they didn't want to change anything. All I know for sure is they did not use the same gameplan as the chargers did the week before.

 

Have you forgotten how visceral the reactions of many anti-Tua posters were to anything positive said about Tua? Go check out the game threads from earlier in the season to see what I'm talking about. Absolutely brutal. Same with insults. To suggest that kind of reaction is only from pro-Tua posters is nowhere close to accurate. Many of those posters aren't posting right now, but that's not because some mod banned them, it's because even they couldn't keep up with their negativity when Tua kept playing well. Tua's late season collapse brought a few of them back, but not all.

As far as shutting down threads or banning people, I haven't seen anyone banned or prevented from posting just because they're anti-Tua. It's still the case that half the posts are anti-Tua. Complaining about lack of freedom to express opinions — resnor does this a lot — doesn't fit at all with the evidence. He's still here and you are too. But there definitely are such things as trolls.

 

And you brought it up because you needed an excuse to support your "Tua has been figured out" narrative.

 

I don't even think it's a "visceral reaction" to anything negative about Tua, I think it's more a visceral reaction to the outright denial that when Tua was on the field in 2022-2023, he was one of the better quarterbacks in the league. This is supported by all of the metrics that we regularly evaluate quarterback success by.

I don't think any of the "pro-Tua" posters are resolute in any of their opinions towards Tua moving forward, more so resolute in the fact that his performance last year.. well.. happened. You can't go back in history and change it at this point. His play was very, very good. A lot of opining about how teams are going to catch up with the offense, etc. but who's to say it won't go the other way? More players returning back to the same offense, more wrinkles to tease out of the base plays, and more permutations on a week-in and week-out basis.

Tua has proven that he can play at a high level. I think we're all excited to see if he can hover around that same range in the next 2 years and stay healthy while doing so. To pretend he didn't play at the level he, ya know, actually played at last year is why there is such a visceral reaction.

 

Hammer, meet nail.

 

Tua's final 5 games he had a combined 54.61 completion % with a 84.4 passer rating. Got super lucky in Pittsburg to not have 3-4 INTs. Played terrible in Cincy before getting knocked out (Bridgewater played better that game). So you are talking about 5-6 games of "better quarterbacks in the league" play while comparing him to QBs that actually were able to play the whole season and grind through injuries.

Pro-Tua guys want to make this very small sample size of elite play mean more than it actually does. Because it's ALL THEY HAVE. They can't use 2020 or 2021. That's the real issue. Tua's play will correct over a larger sample, and that's exactly what it was doing at the end of '22.

 

You do realize that 2022 should be more predictive of Tua's future performance than 2020 or 2021 right? I mean he had a new coach and surrounding cast as well as more time to acclimate to the NFL. That 2022 performance was also statistically significant compared to 2020 + 2021, so there's also statistical evidence something was different.

And if you're just looking at 2022 — where there's statistical as well as non-statistical evidence the conditions changed — then you're using an even smaller sample size of his late season collapse to suggest that's what his future will be (no uncertainty on your part, let's remember that next year). So everyone is using small sample size, you included.

Why not just be excited about the future and see what happens instead of constantly bashing Tua and focusing on the negatives?

 

how many tmes do you have to post the same regurgitaed crap?

 

You like to focus on the games with poorer performances and ignore the better performances. How about we play that game with other QBs and keep count?

Justin Herbert:



Josh Allen:



Jalen Hurts:



Joe Burrow:



Patrick Mahomes:



I would say that Mahomes and Burrow are #1 and #2 now and they had 5 sub-90 games each.

Just for giggles, here is Mahomes from last year (when he got "figured out"):



For the last F'n TIME..... EVERY QB HAS BAD GAMES. EVERY SINGLE ONE.

And this is looking at the best QBs in the league.

LOL, all we have is his most recent season of play..... with a league-leading passer rating and top of the league performance in a crap ton of other widely used stats.....okay... you got us..... that is ALL we have ...... F me.....

 

Ok, now post Tua's positive numbers ,you know, so we can compare.
I'll wait.