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Tua is not the Problem

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Nov 6, 2021.

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  1. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    There are several NFL starting QBs who are not system QBs, have strong arms, are athletic, and can make plays on their own. Allen is not the only one.
     
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  2. hitman8

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    What sherfield described is the definition of a spot thrower. He is throwing to a spot based on timing and anticipation, regardless of wether the reciever is open or not, its on the reciever to be at the spot at the right time.
     
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  3. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    It's crazy man, an actual NFL receiver is telling them and they still argue with us. Lol
     
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  4. Fireland

    Fireland Well-Known Member

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    Tua haters thinking they cracked the code finding out the Dolphins ran an timing based offense. Who doesn't know this?
     
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  5. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    The way that Allen can run a school yard offense is the same way that Tua can run an intricate timing based offense.

    Ask Tua to run a school yard offense, he can't.

    Ask Allen to run a timing based offense, he can't.

    We know the difference. The anti-Tua guys see Allen and Mahomes scrambling, chucking up prayers and shovel passes behind their back, let them have that. All the power to them.

    I want my quarterback in the pocket, throwing strikes with an occasional 5 yard run and slide to relieve some pressure.
     
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  6. hitman8

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    Wrong, if allen was asked to run a timing based offense, there is no reason why he couldn't as he has all the tools necessary for that, in fact he does throw timing routes on occasion. But Bufallo is not going to limit him to just throwing timing routes, because he has so many other tools that make him more dangerous and unpredictable.

    Tua on the other hand is strictly limited to running a timing based offense, becasue he does not have the physical tools to play any other way.
     
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  7. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    Again, hitman, in regards to Tua we recognize he's not gonna scramble and lower his shoulder recklessly into defenders.

    Tua was a legit top 3 MVP candidate in the type of timing based offense before he was injured. With better decision making on broken plays and keeping him upright, the sky is the limit for him. As for Allen, he has peaked.
     
  8. hitman8

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    Sure, give any NFL team a choice between Tua and Allen, all 32 would choose Allen, including the dolphins. Just imagine what Allen could do with Hill and Waddle.
     
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  9. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    I forgot Allen has had no elite weapons, an elite defense or anything elite. It's just him up in Buffalo.
     
  10. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    On offense he has only one real weapon in Diggs. The rest of the offense is mostly just him. And that defense was overrated. Bad corners and they folded in the big games.
     
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  11. cbrad

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    lol.. Buffalo's defense is not overrated. It's a legit top 5 defense. And using a criterion like "fold in big games" means almost every single defense is "overrated". Maybe there are as few as 4-5 defenses each decade where the defense is not "overrated" by that criterion.

    Let's see.. SF had the #1 defense in the league in 2022 but gave up 31 points to the Eagles in the NFC championship game, so according to you they "fold in big games" and are overrated. Same with Buffalo's #1 defense in 2021. Gave up 42 against the Chiefs in a playoff loss. Yup, overrated. Same with the Rams #1 defense in 2020. Overrated because they gave up 32 to the Packers in a playoff loss lol. And so on.

    This is ridiculous. None of those teams' defenses were overrated. You can't fake points allowed per game over a 16 or 17-game season. Buffalo had a legit top 5 defense last year, and the only reason you don't want to admit that is because it doesn't fit your narrative about Tua doing well against a top level defense. Give Tua credit for playing well against a top defense, in December in the cold in an away game. That's something you said he wouldn't be able to do. Yes, Tua played like crap at the end of the season, but that doesn't mean you should take away credit for something he did do.
     
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  12. Silverphin

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    Don't y'all get sore from moving goalposts?
     
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  13. Springveldt

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    Exactly. Brady/Manning/Brees/Montana is a system QB and spot thrower who relies on timing and anticipation, he is not the type of QB who can extend plays all over the field and make plays on his own like Allen can.
     
  14. hitman8

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    All of those you mention had stronger arms, greater football IQ, and were bigger and more durable than Tua.
     
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  15. dolphin25

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    That might be because the defenders of the QB say things are not his fault when things go bad, but then give him the credit when they go good.
     
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  16. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    That is a point about White. His IQ is up there.
     
  17. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Tua made sherfield relevant
     
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  18. Finatik

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    Your statement is true. Most QB's have this as part of their package. But Tua led the league in throws over 30 yards. Those are not spot throws. You conveniently disregarded my whole post.
     
  19. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    No need to crack the code. The code was already cracked the final month of the season when Tua had a 80.5 passer rating w/ 52% completion. The league tends to figure stuff out. That's why larger samples are necessary. Separates the wheat from the chaff.
     
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  20. Fireland

    Fireland Well-Known Member

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    Doesn't explain why only the SF and LA games count to some
     
  21. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Because Tuanon has been claiming for months that Tua was key to the offense because he was throwing receivers open. Some of us pointed out that he was throwing to a spot. We were mocked.

    Now we know absolutely that Tua was not throwing them open.
     
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  22. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Of course they can be spot throws. Not saying they were or weren't, but they absolutely could be spot throws. Based on what Tua sees presnap, he could decide that he's throwing it at a spot 25 yards downfield, for Hill.
     
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  23. resnor

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    Exactly. I don't believe there is ONE team that if they could their choice of either player, would EVER take Tua.

    And I think every Tua fan on here would make the same choice, if their job was on the line.
     
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  24. resnor

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    Every one of those guys made plays and were successful with the biggest names in the game, and without the biggest names.

    Tua always has to have the biggest names.
     
  25. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Ding ding ding
     
  26. TheHighExhaulted

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    Guess Ingold and McDaniel don't know more than a borderline roster wide receiver.
     
  27. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    For those that aren't going to listen, McDaniel showed film of Tua doing exactly what everyone here is saying he can't do. Manipulating defenders and throwing wide receivers open on a consistent basis like he's never seen before.

    "Inventing football" was the term used. What does McDaniel know? I hope he doesn't read this forum.
     
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  28. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    A big part of today's take culture is the need to be right more than anything else.
     
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  29. djphinfan

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    Anticipation, timing and accuracy are real traits that qbs can either can be bad at good at or great at..

    Tua is great at them
     
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  30. resnor

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    Not based on what Shurfield said. He is accurate, but you have a player stating that Tua was throwing to a spot, regardless of where the receiver was in relation to that spot.
     
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  31. djphinfan

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    That’s called designed offense man

    Come on.

    If you are inferring Tua isn’t looking at the receiver while doing so then you are highly mistaken.

    You don’t throw at a 70 % clip throwing blindly

    Now the beauty of Tua is he doesn’t have to look at the spot he’s throwing to, he can see it and gauge peripherally, this is how he manipulates at a high level
     
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  32. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    But that's EXACTLY what Shurfield said. It also lines up with what I saw watching Tua at Alabama, a guy who didn't have to throw receivers open, he was the distributor on an all star team. Now in the NFL, you have a receiver who played with Tua stating that he is throwing to a spot, regardless of where the receiver may be.

    Yet people on here are still claiming that he's throwing guys open.
     
  33. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    I don't get the whole "spot thrower" debate. Every single quarterback has designed plays to throw to a spot.
     
  34. invid

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    Matt Ryan took the Falcons to the Super Bowl doing just that. Has Josh Allen made it to one yet?
     
  35. dolphin25

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    Pretty sure they had a beast of a RB too.
     
  36. Tuanon4Life

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    Being a spot thrower got him the highest QBR in the league. The great Josh Allen led the league in turnovers. The elite Josh Allen was scolded by his best receiver like a toddler for sucking in the playoffs. I think Josh Allen has peaked and Tua hasn't hit his ceiling. Stay positive mi amigos.
     
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  37. djphinfan

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    I don’t think you are comprehending what he’s doing and how these traits are not engrained in all qbs

    Remember the walk off for the national champ game?

    Watch it in slow motion.

    Tua is peripherally gauging the outside receivers speed and distance, while his body and eyes are Looking at the deep middle safety, he’s literally not even looking at the intended receiver until the split second before he releases

    So sherfield saying he’s throwing to a spot on some occasions is correct but Tua knows whether or not his receiver is gonna be there because he’s gauging it..

    Also your insuinuating that Tua is just throwing to spots when there are so many throws where he’s throwing to his receivers just like everyone else
     
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  38. MonstBlitz

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    This type of argument applies to athletic QBs who come out of college and have immediate success because they can run, but might not be great passers. Not with a guy like Tua who is entering his 4th season and has shown improvement every year he's been in the league.

    You guys have valid concerns on the durability and concussions - but arguments like this are crap.
     
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  39. StaleTacos

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    How much you want to bet Tua could throw a football over them mountains....Yeah...

    If coach woulda ignored that concussion, we would've been Super Bowl champions.
     
  40. StaleTacos

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    Nonsense. Of course it applies to Tua. The scheme and weapons were very different from previous seasons. Once scouting caught up, Tua looked like a lost little lamb.
     
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