Tua is not the Problem

Can you hit your head and have a headache the next day for a completely unrelated reason? I'm not a doctor but that sounds plausible.

Can you hit your head and have a headache the next day from it without it being a concussion?

Tua is doing the right thing and being cautious. The CMO of the NFL already said they were no signs during the game. Let's see what the next update brings us.

 

Where was it reported his concussion symptoms were just a normal headache?

 

It wasn't. If the symptoms were that serious McDaniel would have ruled him out this week already and he didn't do that. They also didn't put him on IR, which today was the day to do so. He self reported whatever issue he was having so it wasn't like they found him blacked out in a hallway or wandering in the street. It also wasn't reported that he definitely suffered another concussion. Concussion symptoms could mean anything from a headache to nausea to being tired, very common symptoms of numerous other ailments.

 

Dude, in your dream scenario you described here, lol, it's actually worse for Tua. Now there's no concussion excuse to absolve his ****ty fcking play. That Tua was just terrible for no good reason.

 

It could be gamesmanship or they simply don't know until he undergoes further testing. As for the IR, same. They might not know yet, and wouldn't want to rule him out for the playoffs until he seeks additional opinions and they have a better idea of the timeline.

Come on now. Let's not be ridiculous. You don't need to be blacked out or wander a street to have sustained a concussion.

 

He was terrible and it probably won't be the last terrible game he will play in his career. I know you have these crazy expectations every game and that's fine.

 

Those are just the extreme symptoms as opposed to the lighter symptoms I used as an example. Blacking out, confusion, memory loss, lack of coordination. Would he be able to knowingly "self report" those conditions in that state? I don't know.

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...-wagons-on-latest-tua-tagovailoa-head-injury/

 

Yeah you always assume it's nothing and everyone is overeacting. If I recall correctly you were also pushing the line that he didn't also suffer a concussion in the first buffalo game, even though everyone with two functional eyes and a brain could see he was concussed in that game.

 

Ok, doc lol. You must have some amazing eyes. From your QB eye tests to concussion diagnosing. What can't those eyes do?

 

Most doctors who've looked at it also think he suffered a concussion in the first buffalo game. I even posted a video of one saying so on here today. It was pretty obvious. Only Tuanon guys like you would deny it.

 

Did they physically examine him themselves? No, I don't care what some YouTube doctor thinks.

 

Just watched the Sills interview (https://sports.yahoo.com/dr-allen-sills-talks-concussion-013417643.html). Seems like the NFL are setting up for he sustained a concussion but showed no sign until a day later:

...so I guess he sucked on his own and got a concussion. The worst of both worlds.

 

Did you really listen to it? He commended Tua for reporting the symptoms recognizing there was a "potential problem".

 

Of course. I linked it. The question was are the protocols adequate given the situation Tua is in right now, and then he immediately brought up delayed symptoms from concussions and commended Tua for reporting them.

Sounds like this is the defense NFL is going with here. No signs of anything on the field so no culpability. When in really Tua after slamming his head and knowing his history (which is key here) should have had a test performed at the sideline or halftime afterwards.

 

He said there is head contact on alot of plays in every football game, they have their visual signs "stumbling", "ataxia" that the spotters are trained to see. If you want to test every guy that takes a headshot they are going to run 5000 tests per game.

 

You skipped over a key part of this (and one I mentioned). Tua had one or two concussions already in this season. Patient's history is key here. And I also don't think there are 5000 headshots a game.

 

He actually says the cases are very small for concussion symptoms to appear later on and he commends Tua for recognizing there could be a "potential problem". Also, there's very few cases of multiple concussions in one year. Leads me to believe it was strictly precautional.

 

The three games with our back-up QBs in: cincy game- Bridgewater's first drive was Miami's first TD of the game and was the same drive Tua got hurt in. Bridgewater was on the march to get a lead and run out the clock.
Then came the misread or miscom between Gesucki and TeddyB. That's on McD. He failed to coach his players well enough. Every mental error in this regard is on the coach for failing to prepare his players. Also, the Dolphins were running the ball well and hitting stick-moving short passes. So, the play call that led to the Int was another POS call by McD.
Game 2: TeddyB is lost on the first play after taking all the first-team reps, so that the 3rd-string guy had to scratch and claw with no rehearsal to speak of for the whole game. Still does well enough to keep Miami right there until a Jason Sanders ****ball swings momentum and Dolphins D totally quits.
Game 3, against Minnesota, Dolphins were Right There and would've had a 1st down on the 20 but Waddle fumbled the ball. Then, Dolphins D quit and we got smoked.
But, in all 3 of those games, the QB gave us a fair shot to win and definitely played better than Tua has in this losing streak sans the Bills game.

TBH, I think, with Waddle and Hill out there, that TeddyB can match or better Tua with not much difficulty. Dont forget, TeddyB hit a bomb in one of the two games he played. He can chuck it to wide open guys, too.

Tua's success has been made by having spectacular weapons way more than his personal 'special ability'. He's probably never been able to play great in the ways Mahomes or Allen or Herbert can play great. The great ones can make PLAYS, not just good throws. Tua has seldom been a Playmaker.

 

That's right. Should be easy for Teddy B. Wide open guys everywhere.

Alot of people say Hill is the real MVP of this team. Let's hope he puts the team on his back and proves it.

 

Is it crazy to not expect 3 ints a game, or that my starting QB won't get a concussion when a roll of paper towels hits his head?

What exactly have I ever given as an unreasonable expectation of Tua? I never have. You're just trolling again.

 

Bridgewater had a scary concussion with Denver and took one shot earlier this season against the Jets to knock him out of the game. He's just as prone to concussions as Tua. I'd be shocked if Teddy makes it to the fourth quarter against NE. And he sucks.

 

Problem with Teddy is he can't get the ball out quickly like Tua. He will have Armstead which he didn't vs the Vikings but he got hit on what seemed like every play.

 

Yeah, I'm trolling. Keep making little kiddie remarks like this and "scrambled egg brains" and whatever other childish remarks you have used about Tua in this thread. It's me who's trolling though. lol

 

Nope, coach is letting the Patriots prepare for both QB's. Teams do this all the time.

 

It would be so dirty if McDaniel put Tua on concussion protocol and not rule him out strictly to have Belichick prepare for both quarterbacks. lol

 

Tua put himself in concussion protocol. McDaniel has nothing to do with that. What advantage does it provide medically or on the field to not take your time with ruling him out?

 

Is Skylar available as well? I'd rather see him over Teddy, to be honest. Either way though, we need a backup this week.

 

Teddy has been inactive for a large part of the season. Skylar should be ready to go especially if Tua is ruled out this week.

 

It was a joke, lighten up.

 

Because of injury. Teddy will start and is absolutely the better choice vs Skylar.

 

I was convinced after the Green Bay game that Tua is the problem. Now hearing he likely played the second half with a concussion which likely explains alot of the poor decisions and throws I'm back on the fence with him again. Because first half Tua in that game was the Tua we've seen most of the season on our winning streaks with him. That's encouraging to see, but second half Tua looked alot like SF & SD Tua in forcing the ball, failing to read the defense, failing to make good decisions, failing to take what the defense gives him, missing throws etc. It's hard for me to pin all of that on a concussion, when we saw similar things in previous games where he wasn't dealing with a concussion.

IF he plays again this year and he plays like first half Tua I'm still ok. I have my reservations about his physicality, and his arm, and his ability to actually read an NFL defense still though; and for me that's a problem. Add in his injury history and increased risk for future concussions now though and I'm leaning more and more towards finding another answer at QB.

That being said a big part of me sits here and says... Tua... just hang em up man. You're a good man that will do good things in life outside of football. Go do that while you still have the chance to do it in a relatively healthy way.

at the end of the day no matter how you feel about this situation the one thing we can all agree on is it really, really, really sucks. He's a good guy, he's a good player, he may not be the next GOAT, but he's proven to me at least he belongs at this level even with his shortcomings as a player, but to add this potential career and life defining injury issue on top of it all. and it just sucks for everyone involved. Him as a person. Us as a team. Us as fans.

 

Hoepfully Teddy will get the ball to his teammates though.

 

Should be easy. They're wide open every play.

 

Yeah, lots of emotions on this one. I would love to see him play the last 2 games to see if he can prove what he is.

However, if he is in a fog, I don't want him to play.

For his health I'm OK with what he decides. As a fan I want a top quality QB that can lead this offense.

 

Sounds like you have started actually watching some film, good for you.

 

A move straight out of Belichick playbook.

 

Based on some of the extremely knowledgeable posters here the Dolphins have elite playmakers that inflated Tua's stats and made him look good.
By that logic good ol' Teddy should have a field day Sunday because it doesn't matter if he is average at best, the receivers will bail him out.
And yet some of the same people are saying we're doomed against N.E. because Bridgewater sucks.
What does that matter, we have elite playmakers that should bail him out also, correct ????

 

Doesn’t matter if he was concussed or not at this point. The league will not allow the Dolphins to put him back on the field this year. This season is OVER.

 

Is this collapse the worst one we've ever endured? I think it might be given how well we started and how good things have looked at times. We just cannot afford instability at QB, even as gifted as Tua has looked at times this year. IDC if you are the best player on the planet if you can't stay healthy for a season. It's sad and a BIG tease of what could be but there is just no reliability here.