This Team is Chronically Sick - Don't expect winning until we're cured.

Well said and I agree but the fundamental problem is Flores has not been able to put a competent offensive scheme or coaching staff together. We can’t wait till next year if Flores wants to keep his job he has to fire mid season and replace with someone capable but who’s even available for that at this point??

 

I am so sick of this team, I could spit. It's a gd curse to be a Lolphins fan.

 

From "reading between the lines" over the past two seasons, this is what I believe happened.

1) Flores hires Gailey in 2020 to run the offense because he's great with Fitzpatrick.
2) Fitzpatrick starts slow because we have no offensive line, but quickly hits stride and looks pretty good.
3) Flores/Gailey are forced to bench Fitz for Tua; even though they knew Tua wasn't ready.
4) We bench Tua after a few games, he's not ready. But I think there were a whole lot of words spoken behind the scenes on how bad a move this was in the first place.
5) Fitz is back, Fitz does pretty well and all is forgotten....until he's benched again. Every time he wins, he's benched.
6) Tua's back, the defense carries him and Gailey can't wait for the season to end. He's been lied to and abused from the get-go and that's just not how to be professional in the NFL. He walks.
7) Flores tries to hire someone else, 3rd coordinator in three years, and everyone he interviews says, "Screw that- I'd rather go to Cleveland or Detroit. You guys don't have any loyalty to your coaches."
8) This happens for other coaching positions as well- nobody is really interested. We mainly promote from within instead because there's no other option.

So now we're in 2021, we have Tua on IR, we don't have Fitz (who wanted out just as bad as Gailey) and we don't have a coordinator in the building that understands Brissett. Now we're spiraling, not because of lack of talent, but because our culture seems to be all about respecting Grier and letting him be the coach, scout, GM, etc. And worst of all, Ross believes every word Grier says, backs him on every move because that's what you do in business...you trust your leadership to have your best interests at heart.

How do we fix this? It's all about Flores- he's the only one that can turn this around. But this season I don't think it happens on the field; the only cure is in the front office or that stadium luxury box. He needs a staff that will let him play his brand of football, hire the right people and bring in the right players....plus stop jettisoning the veteran leadership we have.

Plain and simple, Grier and Flores has been on different pages since day 1. Grier wanted to lose, lose, lose in season one, Flores wanted to win, win, win despite seeing our best players shipped off. Flores backed Fitz and his coordinator in year two, Grier had zero respect for either of them. Flores wanted Herbert, instead we got Tua and chased Fitz out of town.

There's two sides to all of this and Flores can't stay on defense...even though that's what he's good at. He needs to sit down with Ross and have some real conversations about all those "perennial playoff contender" promises before it's too late.

 

Hiring a coordinator because he is great with Fitz is a terrible decision

This team will need to improve quick for Flores to not be justifiably viewed as part of the problem

 

Fitz was supposed to be the bridge that allowed Tua to ease into the league while healing up. Gailey was almost the perfect choice.

 

We tried the "find one man" approach twice and it failed badly. Thanks Parcells and Tannenbum.

A quarter of the league is convinced they have the worst owner.

 

The perfect choice is a coordinator who will stay more than one year and develop an offense suited towards the QB who is supposed to be the franchise QB. Hiring a coordinator for your placeholder is ridiculous and that is true even if Tua never played.

Them making things worse doesn't make the Gailey hire better either

 

We can’t keep turning over and overhauling our staff. I’ve seen enough out of Flores to give it one more year.

Ross is definitely part of the problem. He’s the one constant during one of the worst stretches in our franchises history. Weren’t there rumors of him making the push for Tua?

Grier is a complete idiot. What I don’t know is if Flores is influencing that or not. I’ll never understand why we traded up for a slot receiver who could have been there at 12 or at the very least, his teammate was who I don’t think is any more productive at this point. I’ll never understand why we got rid of Flowers with how bad this line. I’ll never understand why he drafted a small QB with a history of injuries over a guy that at least has prototypical height and elite athleticism. I’ll never understand why we cut pass rushers when we struggle consistently getting to the QB and had one of the best defenses in the NFL.

I could go on and on. The travesty is we turned 1 player into 4 1st round draft picks and 2 2nd round draft picks and still have a crappy team.

 

I'm not sure why Flores is still worth retaining. Right now, he's a glorified defensive coordinator over his head.

But yeah, the Tunsil trade gifted these clowns a jump start to the franchise and they may as well have just forfeited the picks.

 

Hard to evaluate the offense when you are working with backup QB’s and this poor of an OL. Question is it talent or is it coaching. I wasn’t huge on Jackson coming out of college after watching him get manhandled against Iowa in the Holiday Bowl. I had a 2nd-3rd round grade on him.

On top of that, I think unless someone is completely inept, you need to give them 4 years. You might argue that he is and based on what I saw today, it would be hard to argue. I’m gonna give him benefit of the doubt after over performing his first two years.

 

Saw this on the Sentinel website. Obviously Hindsight is 20/20 but wow:


What would the Dolphins look like if these had been their most recent first-round draft picks?

Fifth in 2020, quarterback Justin Herbert. Eighteenth in 2020, receiver Justin Jefferson. Thirtieth in 2020, cornerback Trevon Diggs. Twelfth in 2021, left tackle Rashawn Slater. Eighteenth in 2021, linebacker Jaelan Phillips. Then, no trade up from 12 to No. 6, giving up the Dolphins’ 2022 first-rounder. And no trading a 2022 third-rounder to move from 50 to 42 for Eichenberg.

 

I actually said that backwards. Gailey was hired for Tua. Fitz was hired because of Gailey thinking he was ideal as a bridge. The plan all-along was to keep him and let this be his offense to build.

 

Why not both? What is there to evaluate? It's a bleepshow all around.

Personally, I'm good with 3 years unless there is clear upward trajectory. I think it was CBrad who did a study showing that virtually every successful coach makes the playoffs in year 3. That was my barometer starting the season, and it's still the case, but now it's looking like we won't even compete.

I wouldn't necessarily fire him midseason barring a total collapse, but unless things turn around fast I just don't see him as more than a defensive coordinator. The offense is a catastrophe and he's as much to blame as anyone.

 

Other than HC, our biggest problem the last 20+ years has been getting a franchise QB. We missed on drafting Brees even though almost everyone was pegging us to draft him because Wannstedt got cute with Jamar Fletcher. Then we missed on him again in FA. Then we took Long instead of Ryan when we picked #1 in the draft. Long was very good, but you get your QB first even if Ryan is only above average and not elite. Then in 2017 when many were fed up with Tannehill and he was out with injury we don't do what it takes to get our QB, which by luck would have been either Mahomes or Watson, and yes we could have traded up 10 spots. Now, in 2020 we MAY have erred again with Tua (I'm still waiting till the end of the year before damning Tua, but if we got that wrong too we're cursed).

Chronically sick is correct. At some point though we'll succeed by chance. I just hope I'm still around to see it!!

 

My only thing is did those coaches walk into a situation with a franchise QB or get lucky and draft one? Did they have good OL’s or defenses?

Let’s not forget that people were predicting a 1 win season in 2019 because our cupboards were completely bare. And last year we were 10-6 which in most seasons is good enough to make the playoffs.

 

Fitz came before Gailey.

I think even if I bought the theory of bringing in Gailey for Tua and then Gailey gets upset because they put in Tua (?) you are still left with the obviously questionable decision of bringing in an old retired Chan Gailey in the first place

It all looks real bad when you consider them having fire an offensive coordinator after 1 year after the first Flores year.

 

I thought O'Shea whatever his name did a good job at OC in Flores first year with what he had.. Nope off you go after one year just like so many other players/coaches. I'm beginning to think anyone who disagrees with Flores or Grier is gone no matter who they got to bring in.

 

At some point, you need to hold the coaches accountable for the product on the field. We aren't coaching up anyone on the offense. Our playcalling is garbage. We are running some dumb double OC scheme while actually letting the QB coach call plays. Like, these are Flores issues.

He will have time to right the ship, but all we are seeing in what should be a pivotal year is regression and disaster. He played above expectation when there was none. Now that we have some? We are folding faster than a cheap lawn chair under Rex Ryan's ***.

 

I get it. I just think you give a coach 4 years and you’ve seen enough to move on from him. We’ll just have to agree to disagree.

 

I went to the shula life celebration and ross could barely read from his script he had in front of him. Was just stumbling every two words. Probably why we haven’t heard much from him lately. I honestly doubt he’s making any football decisions.

 

2 days ago I would have agreed. After watching that game today. It all changed.

It was that bad.

 

No cure exists!Team has been sick for 20 years!

 

For me it all changed on that endzone pass vs the Raiders, if the offensive plays are not flowed through Flores, that's his fault for not ensuring all plays are run through him, and if there is a failsafe where they do run through him and he did nothing to stop that pass play being run, that's even a bigger problem.

There is no doubt that Flores runs the team the same way he saw Belichick with a hands off and letting this OC do the play calling, issue is Bill has one of the best in the business in McDaniels, so he can afford to delegate the responsibilities, Flores doesn't have that luxury.

 

I like Flores and i think the players like him too.

but if hes not capable of hiring the proper staff to handle the offense then we will have to let him go just based on that alone. We need top quality coaching, and i feel like hes not getting interest around the league to work with him. Three years, 3 different offensive coordinators.. and next year there will likely be a 4th. We have no continuity, no system in place.

Grier has to go with him too.

id give Greg Roman an interview if things continue to go as bad as it looks

 

Gase agrees with you. Flores is digging a big hole by allowing all the penalties, the bad playcalls, the OL shuffle, and letting Brissett stay on the field despite his terrible play. If Flores at least makes changes to try and get better, then you give him another year under a new GM.

 

It's over! 10/3 and it's all over!



"Sell the house. Sell the car. Sell the kids. Find someone else. Forget it. I'm never coming back. Forget it."
...Apocalypse Now

 

Adam Beasley says a key player in his prime is considering quitting the team and retiring from the NFL.

 

I noticed Parker looking absolutely disgusted on the bench after his TD

 

Honestly by the deadline our staff should have a read of what the season is. And if there is opportunity to get some picks with some of our players then we should explore those options. Most especially from our crowded secondary.

 

This X100. Grier is bad at his job and sticks around for some reasons that are too socially/political touchy on a simple football forum. Flores seems like a dude, but is in way over his head from a leadership position.

However, nothing matters and it is all just dramatic theater until the QB room is fixed. Nice boy, hard worker, but Tua is a gimpy little Qb with an average arm and poor genetics for the position. Brissett is a career journeyman who transferred out of UF because he was just an average talent. So your choices are: 1) sell the farm and the franchise's future for a pervert who can't control himself around women, 2) trade for someone else, but who, 3) try to maneuver the draft to find yet another dice roll at QB without much draft capital and at 3 people who have proven they are low-level at the draft game.

It is all so tiring. Nothing has changed except now the feel good stories about Griers, Flores, Tuas, Fullers, whoever now must come to grips with actual facts. Walk away, go fishing, build wells in Uganda, read more books, whatever gets you turgid. This isn't going to be fixed anytime soon and anyone who says we are not still at least 2-3 years away (provided we find a QB) is just fluffing you.

 

Adam Beasley doesn't even cover the Dolphins anymore am I correct?

Parker isn't a key player and he's past his prime.

Wilkins maybe? He isn't very good and doesn't seem interested in football.

Gesicki? He's looking for a contract and they aren't throwing him the ball at all for some reason.

Howard or Jones? Why should they take the brunt of it when they do their job for 95% of the game?

Gaskin? He played what three snaps today?

It's easy to say Fuller or Wilson. Who cares if they retire though?

 

Parker has done more than anyone else on offense even though that doesn't say much.

Fuller would make sense after his strange week 2 absence.

 

He said it’s not Fuller.

 

Well, it is. There are teams who are 1-3 who might come back and have a good season. And you can tell that from how they play. The Fins are not one of those teams. Their offensive line play is just too horrible for that to happen.

 

I'm thinking maybe Howard. He has actually not been playing very well the last couple of games, and he has an injury history with chronically bad knees.

 

That would be my guess. Lots of money made, some health issues, tired of losing.