The KP thing is really interesting. You still have to think they won't trade him, but usually when a GM admits a specific guy is on the block, they get moved. Either way, there is no longer a debate about what a joke Jackson is?
I am not sure of what is being offered, but I do know that the Bulls shopped Jimmy Butler to Miami and Dragic was NOT included. The Heat turned down that offer.
We turned down Butler?!?! Why??? Also, Woj reporting that Heat have interest in Blake. Also, LMA being shopped by Spurs. I would not be shocked if Riley had interest
Phil has lost his bloody mind if he's being serious right now. If he goes through with this I want the entire first round both this year and next year lol.
Interesting. The only way I could see Miami turning down a Butler deal that doesn't include Dragic is if they wanted Whiteside and/or wanted Miami to take back money on a player or two. Do you think they could re-engage for him, or is that deal over? Are they confident in getting Hayward? Any idea on who they like in the draft? Are these questions for the club thread?
I'm not sure how much I'd want LMA unless it's a steal of a deal for us, or they also think they're getting Hayward TOO. Unless they Heat have multiple big moves up their sleeve, I'd be looking to add young (or somewhat young) talent and Aldridge is 31.
What do you realistically think trading KP would haul in? Phil must have some kind of beef with this guy.
Danny Green supposedly on the block as well so Spurs can clear space for CP3 I'm interested. Ellington and McBob work and they can decline Ellington's team option and stretch McBob which clearls $8 million of Green's $10 million thus year
Mega non player related news The cap projection has gone down to $99 million. It was at $108 last year and went down to $101 Depending on what numbers teams were projecting $3-5 million makes a huge difference Could cause Golden State a bunch of trouble
I'm really not sure. I can tell you I only see 3 more valuable assets in the entire league right now...towns, Anthony Davis, and Kawhi, reason being that when these guys are in their primes in 3-5 years the current stars will be fading out. So ask yourself what you would have valued Dwayne Wade at in year 2 or 3, factor in that KP is 7'3" and 22 years old and you're talking about a player that can hit a 3 on one position and do a dream shake (which takes incredible coordination and footwork) and that's your answer. If I was GM, I'd be asking for the sun the moon and the stars and nothing less.
Not sure. On the draft, Chad Ford says the Heat locked in on Donovan Mitchell. Chad Ford has a very good source on the draft. He says it...it's true.
You don't deal a unicorn. You just don't. When a player can be a franchise changing player you gamble on greatness IMO. And you shouldn't be pissing off said player lol.
Dwade averaged 24/7/5 and went to the conference finals his sophomore year. So no, my 13 year old self would've been raising hell if he was getting traded. I don't think y'all should trade him. I just hope you do.
when other teams fans want you to do something, generally, you shouldn't lol. I agree we shouldn't trade him unless like I said we get the haul of all hauls.
Only good thing about the cap projection decreasing is that it does lower the max numbers a bit. Still going to be tight. Heat need to clear some space (stretching McBob or waiving Ellington) to have a max for Hayward/Griffin and enough left to make a fair offer to JJ or Dion
According to Albert Nahmad, the lower cap number means Miami could have enough to give Hayward a max deal, plus an additional $9-$10M if they don't pick up Ellington's option, and stretch McRoberts. He says the Celtics would have to trade Terry Rozier and clear both Yabusele and Zizic (overseas players) to even create a max slot for Hayward. He also says this, which I don't really understand what he means. It sounds like a no-brainer:
Pretty sure Nahmad means that we could open $16 million for the 2016-2017 season which ends midnight June 30. So if we wanted to trade for Danny Green for example, we could clear Bosh and take Green into cap space right now, before the draft without having to make a decision on any other player The $16 might fit LMA as well but I'd have to check
LMA is on the books for just over $21 million this year and has a player option this summer http://www.spotrac.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs The option is only for a little over $22 so even if he opted in its not that bad. LMA is getting dogged for his play during the GS series but he's been good with SA in a far different system than he was used to in Portland Heat could take LMA into Bosh cap space and save money and could open pretty close to a max slot for Hayward Whiteside LMA Hayward J-Rich (presuming nothing left for Dion) Dragic That looks pretty good to me. Surround Whiteside with shooters at every position
They still have any interest in that Milos Teodosic guy? One of the best passers I've seen since Toni Kukoc.
Reading some thoughts of Barry Jackson and Chad Ford, I think John Collins could be the wildcard tonight. CK mentioned him yesterday, and he's an interesting prospect because he has serious upside if he can develop a jump shot. Supposedly he had a really good workout for the Heat. I think he'd be the fallback if Mitchell and Zach Collins aren't there, which is possible.
Is this rumor about Phil Jackson trading KP because he missed an exit interview true? If so that's utterly hilarious.
It's weird that he's not regarded to have a jump shot. I think he's actually pretty good shooting face-up on a defender. He doesn't have a three point shot or anything. That's a given. But his shooting from intermediate range especially in face-up situations seems good enough that you think it's probably just going to get better. I see one scout arguing about fit in terms of his size and what he can do, that being he's not a stretch four in today's NBA and he's too small to be a five. I think that makes some sense. But I also think he can find some value as a very quick and explosive four that can rebound really well and score. And the shot may even develop. The thing that makes me nervous is he plays pretty dumb at times, and his basketball IQ is called into question a lot. That's not a great Heat fit. Kyle Kuzma is an interesting cat if you watch him because of his ball handling skills for a 6'10" guy. You watch him and he's got the ball skills and speed to actually be a wing player at 6'10", which is unique. He's not got a great three point shot yet or anything, but he can really attack from the perimeter. I have to think that kind of coordination and athletic skill set can just keep developing and developing, bleeding into other areas of his game. I think Kuzma is the guy I'd consider over John Collins.
To expand upon this, the fifth guy that I think I like for the Heat at 14 overall is PF/SF Kyle Kuzma of Utah. He's a 6'10" player that has a lot of experience being played like a five or a four, but his ball handling and attack from the perimeter are so good. He can play point-forward. He is especially deadly if he's drawing a five or big four on defense, and he's got the ball in his hands attacking from the perimeter, particularly in transition. It's just not a fair fight. I think his three point shot may need some more time to translate into game situations, but I think it's THERE and it will be there in the future. It's not a gimmick, it's not something that is under-developed. He has a valid three point shot which he shows in practice and he showed especially in the second half of the season when he went on a tear that way. It's so unique to me when you've got a guy that is 6'10" with his length that moves as well as he does, is as coordinated as he is. I think he needs some polish defensively but to me when you have that kind of size and coordination, speed, explosiveness, and basketball IQ, you just develop and develop, and it bleeds into every aspect of your game. He's a James Johnson type, and Miami may lose James Johnson, so this has to be a consideration. I like unique players. Frank Ntilikina (7'0") and Donovan Mitchell (6'10") have unique wing spans for combo guards who will play a lot of point guard. Lauri Markkanen (7'0") and Kyle Kuzma (6'10") are sized as bigs but are uniquely suited to playing wing positions, shooting from the perimeter or attacking closeouts. I've said before that Zach Collins more or less is what he is, which is a five, but he's just very GOOD for a five, and can probably be a "stretch five". So I'd be fine taking him. I personally head into tonight focusing on those five players. Well, also depending on what the trade opportunities are.
Damn someone is going to get a really nice role player in Frank Mason III. That kind of player could help Hassan Whiteside to explode offensively, I think.
Exactly. It's two things...ego and other members of the front office (I.e not Phil) are basically in survival mode.
Per Stein, Spurs LMA trade talks are complicated by teams not knowing if they can re-sign him. Heat and Phoenix were the other teams he met with and Phoenix isn't giving up the 4th pick Just saying
