I agree, I'm a Wizards fan, he's hurt a lot and really hasn't performed anywhere near the max level for most of his career. This is kind of what it takes to keep free agents when you aren't a great team. Beal isn't a max player, then again a ton of guys that get max deals aren't max players so this is kind of where the NBA is now. Wizards are in a tough spot, they don't have a lottery pick and there aren't any free agents out there to replace Beal with so they are kind of in a position where they have to overpay for him. Me, I'd let him go if someone else wants to give him the max.
I've read, heard tons of criticism of Lebron just about every day so I'm not sure why this is even a discussion. There are a ton of people that are critical of him and his game, I hear it all the time.
I think theyre bidding against themselves.. A deal similar to what Curry got a few years back is fair enough. If the Wizards are going to give a max contract out, they need to aim at big free agents, not their own.
Well I think their feeling is that they won't have a shot at Durant without signing Beal but I don't see signing Durant as being realistic, its like spending thousands on lottery tickets, you still aren't going to win and you wasted a lot of money.
Every player gets criticized, but I don't see legit criticism of LeBron's game. Certainly nothing close to what it was before he won. What is there to be critical of? He single-handedly took his team to game 6 of the finals last year and everyone gave him credit for that. Are you saying you've seen that in this thread? Because I haven't.
I agree. Every player gets criticized. I don't see Lebron bearing a greater share of that than most at least in terms of his game nowadays. Ironically, he probably got the most criticism from Cavs' fans after he left. That was probably the worst and most baseless criticism I've seen a player endure.
Yeah, I am saying that I've seen Lebron criticized in this thread. Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. There has been a ton of it on here since he left Miami.
I'd love to see examples of it. Legit examples of people criticizing his game. Since there is "tons of it" it should be easy to find, no?
Damn refs really letting these two go at it, games are a lot better without bull**** ref calls. I like it.
Use the search function, if you have been reading the NBA threads here since Lebron left Miami and you're seriously not understanding that there has been a ton of criticism of him on here then I don't know what to say.
OKC dominated the first half... But only up by 5.. Curry played a pretty bad half too.. Stupid turnovers missed free throws.. Expect a strong second half by him but i dont know, hes got to start respecting the basketball court, this is not a video game.
Lol, sounds like someone who can't find anything. I've been in this thread for a long time and people aren't knocking LeBron's game. So no, I don't need to waste my time searching for something that isn't there. There may have been some sour grapes, or jokes, or rooting against him, but no one is seriously hating on LeBron as a player. You're imagining things.
Right, like in the discussion we had previously this year when I said LeBron could be in a better situation if he were in Miami where I kept getting told I was hating on LeBron when I continually said how great he is and how I've always been a fan of his. But hey, it's just easier to throw out things that serve his argument rather than use, you know, facts.
Weird that I've had a bunch of discussions and had tons of posts defending Lebron but hey if its my imagination so be it.
Epic, historic performance from Thompson. Westbrook has some bad turnovers at times....Durant takes some really bad shots at times...
Well this one is a wrap, I can't see OKC winning a game 7 on GS's homecourt. Some really bad play from OKC down the stretch.
I think there have been many slights toward LeBron. Particularly during the Blatt firing. There also has been a lot of animosity toward some of the things his friends are doing. I would say those type of narratives are a slight to him. That said, this is essentially a Miami Heat forum, so a certain degree of animosity is expected. I would say that the opinions here have actually been reasonable considering the circumstances. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk
Again, that's not what the discussion was about. We aren't talking about character flaws, we're talking about people attacking his game. Other than the general nonsense you see with every player in the twitter age, that doesn't happen anymore with LeBron.
When everyone left GS for dead, I said this series wasn't over. WHAT A GAME! I would not be surprised to see GS win handily in game 7 now.
Damn! His momma call him Klay, imma call him Klay haha. That was probably the best, most intense playoff game ive seen since Game 6 of the 2013 Finals, better known as the Ray Allen Game. OKC is really going to choke away a 3-1 lead, wow!
Depends on the reason. If you're saying he won't win because there is a better team out there, then no, you're saying something about the Cavs. If you're saying LeBron specifically can't win because of something in his game like the ridiculous "clutch gene" argument Skip Bayless had, then you're saying something about his game. I have seen people saying the former, and those people aren't being "haters" they're stating an opinion that is based in quite a bit of logic (although I think it's a stretch to say "can't"). I don't see people, Heat fans or not, saying the latter anymore. The guy is an all-time great, and no one can argue or is arguing against that.
Steph Curry hit a bank shot with 14 seconds left, for some odd reason the NBA gave it to Draymond Green, leaving the points at 29 for Steph Curry, and I had over 30.5 Steph prop points graded as a loss because of the NBA's error.
The claim was that there were excessive slights about Lebron's game not that Lebron has never been criticized in any way. Lebron has certainly done many things worthy of being criticized for. I don't think anybody is claiming that Lebron cannot be questioned in any way. In fact, everybody acknowledged that all players get criticized. So for the original claim o be confirmed the poster would have to produce something that shows there were in fact "tons" of criticism about Lebron's game. I don't recall ever seeing anything approaching that on this site despite it being a Miami Heat forum.
Not at all. Nobody believes a player can win it all by himself. I've criticized the way the Cavs were built b/c I believe you start with defense and they brought in stars around Lebron that play poor defense. My guess is that you've seen Cleveland be criticized and have lumped all those criticisms in to imagined slights about Lebron's game.
This game 7 will be interesting. GSW has been so up and down. What has made them so tough these last couple of years is their consistency. They've been good on defense and shot so consistently well. This series their shot abandoned them more often than it has in the past and their defense has been spotty. And when they were bad they were really bad. OKC has operated in a smaller range. Their defense has been pretty consistent. They just get into funks where they play hero ball on offense. Even in those funks they still score. But when their defense is on and they're playing smart on offense they have played as well as I've ever seen any team play. You have to figure the odds are in GSW's favor just b/c of the home court, but if that smart OKC team shows up???
Durant is the Anti-Lebron in so many ways. For one, the guy is bulletproof in the public eye. Lebron catches hell for seemingly sneezing out of turn. Close-out game, you gotta play better than that.
Durant took horrible shots the entire game, he and Westbrook turned the ball over left and right down the stretch. You're right, if Lebron had played like that people would be trashing him. I think there is some criticism of Durant and Westbrook but really they played unforgivably bad in a game that their team should have won to make an NBA finals. You don't get too many chances at games like that.
"If he wins a 3rd title, goes to 6th straight NBA finals I have to wonder what the haters will have to say? I'm sure theres a reason left at that point to trash him I'm just struggling with what that is." This was the original post that spawned the discussion, I think its pretty straight forward. Theres been a ton of hate towards Lebron here so I don't know what the argument is about but hey if you all want the last word have at it, I don't see what was even the slightest bit incorrect about what I posted about Lebron here.
Durant played like complete *** yesterday, don't care how many points were scored by him... He can shoot but I will take Lebron in just about everything else over Durant.
This is the claim I responded to: Quote Originally Posted by finfansince72 View Post I've read, heard tons of criticism of Lebron just about every day so I'm not sure why this is even a discussion. There are a ton of people that are critical of him and his game, I hear it all the time. I haven't seen a ton of people here be critical of Lebron's game as you claimed. Does that clarify where you were incorrect?
That's why I think this game could be so interesting. The home team usually gets the calls, but if the smart OKC shows up they may be the better team.
