Favorite LB in 2016 Draft

Myles Jack and Leonard Floyd are my favorite, Ive had Jack as the best player in the draft since the get, but I really enjoy Jones like you said.

I think this is a player who can play with extra weight, even if he lost a couple tenths of a second on his ridiculous sub 4.4 run..

He's violent at arrival, plays with an edge, I trust him much more athletically than ragland in the open field, player doesn't waste space with his movement and footwork, is excellent in coverage, understands the game played in the flats and snuffs out screens all day..Point A to point B, very quickly..instincts look fine.

 

umm ... do we really want to draft another DJ to be a linebacker? you know just sayin'

 

you mean that 285 def end that ran out of gas at the detroit 10..

 

dont sweat it, even at 8 we had no chance, he's the best player in the draft..7 dummies cant get it wrong.

im all in for trading down as well..

dream draft at this point would be, trade down, pick up an extra 2nd.

Somehow get Leonard Floyd, Karl Joseph and Josh Garnett on this team.

 

I think most people, myself included, are enamored by Jack. Sadly, after our trade, I no longer think he is an option.

One thing that I have been wanting to post, but have not had the opportunity is that I don't think Ragland would be a good fit within our division. I have always believed to a certain extent, you have to draft to beat the teams you play every year. The player (other than Tom Brady) that I fear the most is Gronk. As another poster alluded to earlier is that Ragland is slow. If Ragland had to cover Gronk, it would be a huge mismatch.

I am not saying that Ragland is going to be a bust or that he is bad. I think he would be put in a bad situation four times per year when he plays the Bills (Clay) and the Patriots. Truth be told, I think he will be really good in run support which the Jets are clearly planning on doing heavily and so are the Bills.

My gut tells me that he will be a situational player within our division, and for that reason, I would not draft him in the first round. My rationale would be less against Ragland, and more along the lines of my belief that I could find someone who could contribute more at the 13 spot.

 

Ragland has been overrated since the process began, the more you watch of other players the more you feel where he will slots..Id go with Deion over him.

 

maybe recently but in the beginning noone was saying he's the best in class...only a few, now theres more..takes a while sometimes.

Tunsil over Jack is laughable..same for Bosa and ramsey..those three players were always slotted above him and Jaylon smith as well pre injury..

Like our own Boomer said and I quote...''There are prospects, and there is myles Jack''

 

I like Joshua Perry as a MLB, which he did play plenty of in college, and at SLB I like Kamalei Correa, not in love with anyone that will be available to us at WLB.

 

Joe shoebert is the most underrated player in the draft..

graceful, beautifully coordinated position specific linebacker movement, smart as hell, very athletic, can cover with the best of them, is creative when beating his blocker and attacking the qb...does it faster than anyone else from whats some stats show..looks that way on tape to.

he will be in any mock I do if I dont get leonard floyd in the first.

 

I like Ragland, but you have a point.

 

Leonard Floyd can do it all ala Dion Jordan. 6'3 233lbs.

He's worth #13 and may be the best lber in this draft due to his tremendous pass rush and coverage ability.

hahaha, imagine him and Dion Jordan at olb in 4-3, then morphing into a 3-4 on 3rd and long. You'd have Floyd, Williams, Suh, Wake and Jordan on the line rushing the passer.

 

me and The Rilla..standing alone naked on an island.

 

I just watched his 40 time on nfl.com...He's bigger than I thought, 6'5" 5/8, 244lbs.

Still ran a 4.6 forty with ease.

This guy is another Jason Taylor candidate. Same length, strong at the point of attack, great leverage.

Unselfish, explosive, dynamic, good hand technician.

Hard to believe he's not rated higher...

I did the same thing with Gurley last year. I just couldn't understand why he wasn't ranked higher. If he's there, we should take him. I just don't see any reason why not.

 

I think it's fitting that you compare him to DJ, because they do have some things in common, they are both built like WRs and they both under performed in college compared to their draft status.

Both of them were/are being billed as great passrushers but didn't get many sacks or TFL's in college, I never understand how that happens TBH.

He may end up being a good pro, but his stick figure body gives me a lot of concern, as well as his lack of production.

 

They had him playing MLB quite a bit his junior year. Which is why I say he's unselfish. It didn't help him in the production area, as he was not nearly as instinctive.

They didn't just put him at MLB because he's light in the pants. I think he's very underrated at the point of attack. He eats up space quickly with his long strides and holds up at the point of attack well without giving ground. He's got exceptional quickness that he uses well to engage his blocker.

Here's the conundrum with these Dion Jordan types. They can dominate in coverage of TE's. Georgia put him in the slot against Clemson and ran step for step with their wide receiver. He wound up breaking up the pass 25 yards downfield.

Bottom line to me is that he can dominate as 4-3 OLB. Slide him to DE when he loses a step in coverage. It's what we should have done with Dion. It's the Bob Golic theory of lineman devolution. He started with the Browns at LB, then kept sliding down the ladder the older and fatter he got until he was a pro bowl nose tackle for them in the Schottenheimer era. It was a main tenet in my belief that Vernon Carey could easily play guard towards the end of his career. So strange how everyone laughed at the concept, until it happened. Same with Dion covering Gronkowski.

I'm an old enough fan to know we spent a long time trying to find anyone that could cover big TE'S. Then Dion does it and they act like it's small potatoes. It's a huge commodity to be able to cover a Gronkowski. Why they were so stubborn in making him a DE right away, I'll never understand. Probably too much in love with the perceived value of a pass rusher versus a cover guy.

Point is I think you're once bitten, twice shy...pffft!

 

he played a lot of football dropping in coverage and they had him playing the mike a lot...Floyd has quick get off and natural pass rush moves, I agree he is a bit on the lean side, but in todays game, with where he will be playing, and with his type of coverage and rush ability, he's gonna play all three downs, and more than likely the offense is gonna pass more than they run..bottom line, he just has to add 5 lbs of muscle and he should be good,imo, this is not an aaron maybin situation, whom I took completely off my board and said he would be a flat out bust based on his physical characteristics.

 

Ok, so I just watched his game tapes from a few games, first off let me say that I like him A LOT more than I liked Jordan, but at the same time still feel that 13 is overdrafting him, and I also understand that he may be gone by then, but then again, so was Jordan.

I get why you guys are high on him, there's a lot of good stuff on tape, and he may justify that in the NFL, I want that to be clear from my perspective, I do not think he's a bust waiting to happen, as I did with Jordan, I think Floyd does have the ability to excel in the NFL.

Personally though, I do have some ?'s about him, that push him down my board, he's a WLB only imo, he struggles vs the run, vs Auburn I think it was, he was actually handled by a WR on a run play, which he lost his cool on and drew a bad personal foul by pulling on the WR's face mask well after the play was over.

Chip blocks ruin his rush, and he gets frozen in space too often, doesn't seem like a very instinctual LB, also is afraid of players blocking his long skinny legs, cut blocks freeze him in place.

I am not of the opinion that 5 lbs of muscle will fix him, imo he will have to put on 15-20 lbs of muscle.

Great attacker, great motor, good pass rush moves, delivers big hits when he gets the chance, and he could get past all the things I have listed here, but imo he does have to get past these things, not a boom or bust prospect, but I do think he is a boom or meh prospect, could be really good or could be a very good ST/back up LB.

 

the one drawback is floyd will be 24 before the regular season, so about his body, you have to take into account the frame, the composition of his body, and just basic body mechanic priciples..When you have a physique that is quick and fast, you have to be very careful adding too much weight as you know, imo I dont think this is a frame that will work well with 20 lbs..20 lbs of muscle is not something a man can just put on..

5 lbs of muscle is a lot..keep him lean yet work on core strenth..

Finster, I was very vocal and adamant that the plan for dions body was gonna destroy his game, they went ahead and had him gain 20 to 30 lbs..and we all can plainly see that his movement and coordination was completely affected..

really the only players that will be stronger than him is gonna be olinemen,pretty much the case for all linebackers, I think he can learn better leverage against the run and use his hands more wisely, he's shown that ability to shed with some violent movement..you may of seen an isolated incident against a receiver, do you have the clip and timeframe where we can look at it and discuss?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usIGRo5sjHc

At 6:42 he's blocked well by a WR, he loses ground to the WR, and at 7:42 there are 2 consecutive plays where is fully handled by another guy, on the 2nd play is where he gets called for the PF.

I think he might have problems against NFL TE's, there are plays when TE's/H-backs/FB's get into him on run plays as well.

To emphasize though, I do get what you see in him, there is a lot of good in him, and he may become a good NFL LB, but there are too many ?'s imo to draft him at 13, though I respect why you do want him there.

 

he made the tackle on both plays, extended his arms to engage the offender, and viloently rips their arms away to get in on the tackle..I dont have a problem with the way he played those two plays finster, at least you see him using his hands to rip and shed.

lets also take into account motor and passion for the game.

 

Floyd is a risky pick, no doubt, but he has a mean shoulder dip. The best pass rushers in the NFL have that attribute.

We probably won't take him because he isn't more dominant in the run game.

 

Floyd!!

 

My bad, it was 7:49 where the 2 plays back to back(#5 Ricardo Louis for Auburn), and he wasn't in on either of those tackles, but that's 3 plays where he's against WR's, and he loses all 3, on the 1st one at 6:42 he does make the tackle, but the WR pushed him back a yard or 2, and he couldn't disengage until the RB got to him, and that was out in the flat, there shouldn't be a "battle" between LBs and WR's, so that's a win for the WR.

The 2 btb plays vs Louis at 7:49 he is just handled by Louis, which led to his "frustration" personal foul.

 

#5 was fu$$in with him, cheap shot, you could tell and he lost his patience..plays like your describing happen to all linebackers..you can't win them all..overall I dont see a lack of strength or leverage show up often enough to call it a red flag or anything..

 

I have to completely disagree on that, LB's don't lose battles with WR's in run blocking, WR's get ragdolled by LB's, if not, there's a problem with the LB, not being able to get leverage on a WR is a lack of strength problem, after all, the LB is bigger.

 

each play has its own set of circumstances, we see different things on those specific plays, i see a receiver trying to be deceptive in how he gets in front of Floyd..Floyd has to read the run then realizes that the receiver on his outside shoulder is gonna try and come at him..there was some dirty stuff going on for those two plays..

 

no thanks on that guy.