Merged:Pennington Released/ Dolphins inquire

His Yards per Attempt is 6.8 compared to 6.1 for McCown last year. That's a pretty surprising statistic, given that Pennington has a weaker arm.

 

it was back on page 15, off rotoworld. Says he's a 'candidate' now that I look at it more closely

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playernews.aspx?sport=NFL

I would imagine Bryan Thomas should take a look down here, esp with JT's departure- this might be an attractive gig

 

who cares what chad wants? EVERY qb out there wants to be a starter. he's not saying anything surprising. most of us are not speaking of what chad wants, most of us are speaking of how we feel if he came here.

i think you're fighting a crusade against no one.... ?

i still maintain i don't see him coming here, just by virtue of how our roster already is, the $$ involved (we're not going to out-bid anyone), and the situation of the team not being attractive to him.... but that said, if he DOES come here, i just hope it is to replace McCown.

 

you need to read the first couple of pages of the thread. that was my concern/question... we already discussed that.

 

Texas, check the temperature of hell, because you and I agree 100% on something for a change

If Pennington comes in, I doubt Beck can survive, its a numbers game. McCown might make more sense to go, and he just might, but the Trio have no loyalty to Beck, and I am afraid, Beck is the odd man out.

 

At least Mcown can air it out.

 

haha WOW!

 

Ugh.

 

Yeah but this is a long thread and I'm a lazy man.

BTW the more I think of it, the more I am coming around to Pennington in Miami. I do think he would be better than McCown and that would be an upgrade for the team but I do not want Pennington starting but rather as a backup to Henne or Beck.

Basically Pennington would be better than McCown but I still think he is not starting QB quality in this league. I guess if Beck can't get ahead in this race and they want to hold Henne back a year then yes I would prefer Pennington as a starter over McCown.

However Pennington being the Fins starting QB would be depressing for me because it would say Beck is pretty much done and that Henne is at least another year a way. I am torn over this move but it is sounding better.

 

that's what most of us are trumpeting.

i disagree here. when you have McCown (as of now) starting here, Smith starting in San Fran, Kitna in detroit, Jackson in Minny, and Orton or Grossman in Chicago, how can you say Pennington isn't a "starting quality QB?" he's better than at least 20% of the starting QBs in this league i'd venture to guess.

none of us want to hear that Beck or anyone else isn't ready or isn't going to work... but i'd rather a better vet get the job over a mediocre vet on our roster, regardless of where that puts him on the depth chart.

 

Hearing a Dolphins fan say that about Pennington just seems filthy and wrong to me.

However it does make sense but look at the teams you listed and where they finish every year record wise.

Pennington is starting QB quality in the way you say it but talent wise he isn't.

 

Chad cares.

Now that Chad is a FA, I think he'll be looking for a starters job. And if he ends up in Miami, I think that's a sign that he'll be the starter and not a backup, unless he says otherwise.

Which I would agree with, I wanted him in the offseason when it looked like he would be released and before we signed McCown, but his comments in the NY papers is what caused me to change my mind.

Not fighting, discussing.

And there are a few people here who would be okay with him starting and that's what I'm addressing.

I don't know what the teams intentions are, and I hope if he is brought in that it's purely as a backup so that we can develop the talent that we already have.

 

I think the reason that a lot of people are warming up to the idea of Pennington is bc of the type of offense we're going to be running. 70-30 run/pass or just the more power running game. We don't really need a gun slinger to come in here and hit WRs all day on crazy routes. We need someone to manage the game for the majority of the time and make some decent passes here and there but nothing crazy (Sounds terrible to Ginn fans right?).

It does seem weird to have Chad in the convo now though. Last time this year I was making fun of people for being PenningtonPantyDroppers and now I'm on a board full of them.


Kidding.

 

I want no part of Chad, no arm strength and the dude is made of glass. In his 8 year career he has played 16 games just once.

 

OMG no. I'd rather have Carter at least there'd be an air of mystery about him.

 

i'm with you there brother.... it was hard for me to accept

those teams finish better despite the QB play, not because of it. they are all-around better teams.

agree to disagree.

 

geez, the Bears are puzzling

 

coaches/personnel guys have told FA's what they want to hear in the past to get them to sign with teams... so i wouldn't really put that past anyone or assume anything. Chad might be told he will have an honest chance to compete for the starting job, and that may be true. whatever, its all gravy.

those comments are just trying to say the right thing IMO... i wouldn't read too much into that. Chad was losing the starting battle in NY, he'd be happy to have a chance to compete for the starting job on any team that would be willing to pay him what he wants anyway. no team will bring him in at $6M+ a year to be a backup from the get go. so, based on that logic, that's why i'm thinking that's a non-issue.

well now we're getting into the nitty gritty. If he starts, it better be because he out-performed Beck and Henne, not because we just paid for him. but if you are of that ilk, you should be very much hoping McCown doesn't start then (using same logic).... McCown is (in essence for purposes of this discussion) Chad Pennington on our team RIGHT NOW. what happens from there? the only difference between them is i have NO doubt in my mind that pennington would be able to outperform the rookies (unlike McCown, apparently)

i'm not disagreeing completely with you... i would flat-out just rather have him than mccown.

 

Chad was actually winning the battle in Training camp. Clemens is looking like a bust for the Jets, Chads' large contract was the main factor in him being cut over Clemens. Chad tore 2 ligaments in his ankle in the opener last year and he played through it. That shows guts, even though he stunk it up on the field before getting the ax.

One thing that I can say is that the Jets fans REALLY don't want him coming to Miami, so for that reason alone I'm coming around to the idea of Chad in aqua and orange. Plus, we can pick apart their playbook.

 

Nah, their just so dumb that people have a hard time believing it.

 

Thats the only reason most of us want him, to be a back up. But in his mind, hes the starter wherever he signs. So if he signs here then we're all

 

seriously. pennington is an upgrade for them, and would cost them NO draft picks since he's a FA.

weird.

 

I think like it or not Pennigton will be a Dolphin and Beck will be the guy who gets cut or traded. That is the way things seem to be going.

 

Given our situation, I don't see the point in having McCown and Pennington on the same roster.

 

Well, I can't help but wonder what Pennington thinks about even coming here to play.
After Zack signed with the Cowboys I recall reading something where he flat out said he couldn't see himself signing with NE regardless of their interest. He stated that after playing against them 2x a year for all those years, he couldn't be a Patriot. I wonder if Pennington would have similar thoughts about us.

 

Zero chance of that happening, especially given the fact that Beck has consistently gotten better the last couple of practices.

 

He could dislike the Jets very strongly after hanging him out to dry and he hasn't been happy there for a year and half now. He may want a little revenge on his old team.

 

Yeah zero chance that Parcells gets rid of a quarterback he has made no commitment to and the previous regime drafted?


That is something Parcells wouldn't do.

/sarcasm

 

While that's true, I think that Chad is going to want more than just an honest chance. If Miami were to tell him that he was the starter, Chad says "Yeah, I signed here because I'm starting" and then he's a backup, that would seriously hurt our credibility with future FA's. I think if you see him here that means he's the guy.

I wouldn't say that he was losing the starting job, Clemens hasn't exactly lit up the Meadowlands and those comments were made long before the draft or Brett Favre were an issue. Once the draft was closer and Matt Ryan was the hot topic, then Penny reiterated that he didn't want to be in NY because he didn't want to be a backup.

Agreed

But then you get into the question of "what is the direction of the team?". Are we a rebuilding team? If so, why go out and sign Penny to be the starting QB (in this example) when we have two very talented QB's already on the roster? If we aren't a rebuilding team, then what happened to the plan that Parcells and Co. laid out before us a few months ago?

The last thing I want to see is the Dolphins try to become a team in transition, that is a team that is trying to do a rebuild while still trying to win as many games as possible even if it means signing guys like Penny at the expense of Beck/Henne. That's what I fear and that looks to be the direction that we're going with all of the talk of Penny and Glenn.

And I'm right on board with you...

....as long as he isn't promised the starting gig. I'm all for rebuilding and I'm willing to sit through another season of 1-15 football if it means that we are better off in the long run.

 

I see it more likely Parcells and Sparano keep the veteran quarterback they signed to a 2 year contract this past off-season then a guy they didn't bring in and showed nothing last year to prove he can be starting material.

Beck is also not going to be the future and I know most here don't want to hear that.

 

bah, we're on the same page

 

I'm torn. I see Chad Pennington and think Jay Fiedler but then I remember the last QB we passed over becuase of a "gimpy" arm!

 

I think you'll see McCown gone before Beck. Beck has been impressive lately and McCown has regressed. Why keep McCown and Pennington (assuming we acquire him) on the same roster? I think there's a reason Sparano and co. want Beck to win this job. They want to see what they have in him. If Beck doesn't impress this season, he can still be a good back-up to Henne who will likely be starting next year.

 

I would have 0 complaints of having another Jay Fiedler at this point. Better than the other crap we've had under center since.

 

They cut him!?!? Get him! He's not great but I like him.

 

As others have said, it just seems like a total waste of money to cut McCown and bring in Chad when we're in re-building mode. I understand the Parcells fraternity and the good ol' boys thing he and Ireland have going, but enough is enough.

 

Yeah....right into the defenders hands. I'll take Pennington over him.

 

Way to get me all excited pocoloco lol.

 

Don't get me wrong I think Jay went out each sunday and gave us his best, inteligent, tough guy but with who we've got in camp is it much of an improvement?

 

Chad Pennington must hate Brett Favre.