Greg Jennings: No one knows if Tanny can be great: treated like a child

Ok, you are going to have to make up your mind, you've been banging the "didn't run enough" drum, and now you're saying that Tanne didn't throw too much?

Just using whatever side of the argument that suits you that day I recon.

 

That's not what he said at all.

 

Running the ball more doesn't necessarily mean that he'd throw fewer times. Given how many drives ended early, it's conceivable that a run game could have extended drives, and could have made the passing game more effective, but Tannehill could have similar number of throws because there were longer, sustained drives.

Balance doesn't necessarily equal fewer throws.

However, all that has no bearing on what I said.

 

So 10% and 20% are insignificant now.

 

All I know is that whenever the opposition needed to pressure tannehill, they succeed at an alarming rate! Big Ben, Brady and Newton saw pressure from Denver that Ryan saw all year, and they looked very mediocre!


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Well this is perfectly logical actually.

If another QB has better protection, receivers and whatnot he can throw more than another QB who doesn't without hitting the threshold for "too much".

 

Thill's first year, he had worse weapons and a higher ypa.

 

Their #1 receiver was CUT after the year ended. Cut. Released. Gone. Hartline was not cut. Bess was not cut. Everyone hooing and hawwing about Landry yet he's just a slightly more dynamic producer than Bess. And did you see Oakland's running backs? Yeah you've gone off the deep end if you think we had worse weapons.

These are your receivers in Oakland

James Jones - Cut.
Mychal River.
Andre Holmes.

Those are better weapons? You'd rather them than Hartline, Bess and Fasano? By no means were the Dolphins receiving corp good. But to argue Oakland had better receivers is just you lying to yourself.

 

Tannehill hasnt done anything to earn praise like Dalton amd Flacco have, again, what has Tannehill done of significance in the NFL? Someone tell me this mystery

 

Joe Flacco has been way above average in the playoffs (for many years now) and was instrumental in the Raven's Super Bowl win.

Andy Dalton is a better comparison. He's a QB with a contract that allowed the Bengals to part with him if he didn't show great improvement. Well it finally clicked to a degree it didn't before in 2015. I mean he ended with a 106.2 rating last year and 8.4 Y/A. Tannehill hasn't done what either of those two has done (w.r.t Dalton, just the one year of course).

So the question is whether a HC wants to stay with an average QB that costs a ton (relatively speaking) or take a chance on one in the draft that costs little. If Gase feels he has a few years time, you bet he might feel more comfortable getting rid of a high priced average QB and taking a chance on a draft pick. Tannehill needs to produce much better this year than in years past IMO for him being here several years to be the kind of certainty you think it is.

 

The type of guys you're comparing him to don't win when they are making big money. Joe Flacco won on his rookie contract. Guys like Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford, etc. cost enough to hurt their teams ability to put competitive teams around them. That's before you even get to the point of whether Tannehill is as good as those guys.

If the argument is Tannehill's supporting cast brought him down, it certainly will be more difficult to aurround him with talent when he as a $20M+ cap hit.

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Well sure, if you literally make up some kind BS qualifier, then you can say anything.

Hartline was the worst #1 in the league. Bess was the worst slot reciever in the league and Naanee was the receiver ever. You know, it, I know it, everyone knows it.

 

Everyone from Tannehill's rookie season has been letgo or fired both coaches and players. New excuses appear every year.

P.S, even after all those words and b.s. you said, it dont change the fact that Tannehill is an average QB in the NFL.

 

I think you might be missing the point. It's not about what he's done in comparison to others. I think what others are getting at is that he's able to play competently at the NFL level and win you games with average play and an average supporting cast. Often times that's good enough in the NFL, Elite QB's don't grow on trees. When you build around the average and above average ones like him though, you can accomplish things.

Even if we get through 2016, chances are, we're good enough to probably win 7-9 games again as usual, so what's your plan for replacing him? You likely aren't going to get a shot at one of the top QB's coming out, youre going to probably be reaching if you take one at the draft spot we typically end up with in the middle of the pack, and you're going to give away too much to trade up for one when you have a roster that has a lot of holes to continue to fill.

As I said, the elite ones don't grow on trees, so when you get one with a low floor as Travis said, you're better off working with him to improve him, and building around him to make the team better. You can accomplish great things this way.

I think that's what he was getting at by saying he's likely here a lot longer than you think potentially. Unless we win only a couple games next year and are picking top 5, your options for replacing him are pretty slim, and likely not all that inspiring. Sure you can take one in round 2, or 3, or reach in 1. However... are you sure you're really upgrading at that point?

 

Would of been a grand slam had we drafted Russell Wilson #8 overall but everything else was solid

 

That's awfully easy to say in hindsight isn't it?

 

Not quite passed on him twice, we just took a lesser, average, mediocre QB way too high at #8. Not Tannehills fault, our team made the mistake of missing out on a real elite QB in favor of a flawed QB.

 

Gentleman....it is what it is rather you take the negative or positive approach on 17.

Facts both groups will love/hate.

1. Ryan WILL be our QB in 2016.
2. Barring a significant improvement, Ryan will NOT be a Miami Dolphin after this year under that contract.
3. Ryan has certainly been at a disadvantage with his surroundings since day 1, Coach's...OL...lack of freedom at the LOS to name a few.
4. Those things mentioned above? Do not excuse you from being able to make plays from the pocket, anticipate an open WR, move in the pocket to name a few.
5. Ryan has showed small sample sizes of atleast having the ability to be a top 10 QB in this league, Adam Gase could very well get the best out of Ryan which is certainly good enough for me.
6. If Ryan continues to be amongst the league worst in 3rd downs and in the 4th quarter...once he is cut by Miami?? He will likely become a career backup bounced around the league.

No matter what side you are strong on, or lean towards.....all of these praises/criticisms are fair....and I for one would not rule out Ryan taking the next step and becoming a valuable asset to this team, nor will I rule out him continuing to have the same shortcomings he has had since day 1 and finds himself in another camp in 2017.

 

Tannehill is not someone you dump unless he stinks the joint up. He plays like he did the past two years he's got a job. You just want to see more development. Tanny with Denvers defense absolutely wins championships. Tanny with Ravens D from 2012 ... Maybe once in a while if he can get hot.

 

I don't think 4 and 6 are actually all that fair. Overall, don't necessarily disagree with the post, though.

 

Getting outright cut, not for cap reasons, is now a bs Qualifier. Hahahahaha. Oh man. Needed a good laugh today. It's hot. 86F. That's some bs.

 

This is a professional football team, you do not pay a QB 20 M in a capped league based on "hope"....he is on a 1 year contract and that kind of goes without saying.

However he could agree to restructure, if the Dolphins want that and if Ryan wants that. But do not kid yourself, at the current pace of his play? He will NOT be here in 2017 for 20M a year, its simply not happening.

I'm all for paying a consistently effective QB that salary, so he can feel free to become that and it won't be an issue.

 

I totally did not expect you to like 2, 4 or 6......as mentioned in the post as to things both sides will want to hear.

 

Tyrod Taylor was the 7th rated QB in the league this year, and was a cheap FA. Ryan Fitzpatrick produced as much as Tannehill and was a cheap FA. Average QBs aren't that hard to find.

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This ^^^

 

Guys as good as Tannehill aren't difficult to find. Tyrod Taylor and Ryan Fitzpatrick are the latest examples. I'm not sure Ryan Tannehill is markedly better than Brian Hoyer.

You're essentially saying that because other teams make bad decisions the Dolphins should do the same.

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The Titans QB position isn't in bad shape it appears, but who knows.

Stringer showed a couple of QBs acquired via FA that played significantly better than Ryan.

The dude is rocking the 29th of 32 QBR ranking and is suspect on 3rd downs and 4th quarters (two very key elements in wining in the NFL) Ryan has done nothing to merit belief he is some sort of irreplaceable asset especially at 20M a season.

We can all hope he turns the bus around in 2016, but it will take significant improvement for him to be a Dolphin after next year.

 

This is exactly right, and also exactly why the contract he signed is structured the way it is.

 

Fitz is what, a 10 year vet? Tyrod sat for four years. I'm not sure he's all that great.

 

That's just last season. Over the last 10 seasons there are many examples of non top 10 picks or FAs performing highly.

Your rationale itself should indicate what is problematic. It's 'how things work' is why the value in paying these type of QBs is negative.

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Well, im being told that I have to ACCEPT mediocrity at a ridiculous overpaid contract, so you should accept that as well. Im sure Adam Gase reads these boards and will accept mediocrity from his QB as well, because thats what these fans want. Lmao

 

Fitz played better = he had a better OL - he also single handedly lost their last game to prevent them making the playoffs.

Where did the Bills finish? Does T.Taylor 'scare' your defense as a QB. My answer would be no. Rex thinks he can win with an 'ok' QB.

Either one of those guys y'all would be roasting over the fire even worse than RT IMO. Fitz is old and stunk it up. Taylor is young and unproven... didn't make the playoffs with a supposidly good D and L.McCoy on the team. Right.

 

The good news is that "fans" don't run these teams and IF Ryan ends up a Miami Dolphin in 2017 it will be because he earned it, and not because he showed a 3 game span in a 5 year career where he looked like a top 10 QB, thats not real life....real life tells us he is playing for his future this season. And good. Maybe he will thrive in this situation without having an idiotic staff try and protect his mentality.

 

Neither of them are that great. They are average and low cost.

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They both also played better than Ryan in 2016...your upset they didn't do X and Y but want all hands on the apology deck for Ryan.

This tells me you are a fanatic and act on bias.

 

Not accept... but common sense. He is signed thru this year. Nobody on the team is better. There is little chance of aquiring a QB that is better than RT. Our backups are not going to play better than he does.

Accept, no... but maybe fuss about some other areas (which are many) that the team has a GOOD chance of changing.

 

What... you don't read people very well then. Only 2 'apologies' for RT... sucking OL and sucking coaching staff. Is that what you see?
I see a bunch of guys that can't tell what is wrong with their own team.

 

So because we have had bad coaching and a bad OL,we should pay an underperforming QB 20million?

seems right

 

What is your suggestion by the way. He is paid already, going to be here so I don't see the need to keep whining over it. Overpaid is relative. Does Suh earn his pay?
Who would you re-sign of our free agents?
What would you pay Miller? Who would you draft and where? What free agents are you considering would be right for the TEAM? Besides all this bad, bad Tannehill in a Super Bowl prediction thread no less. It is like a thread infection with some here. Oh yeah... so and so will win the Super Bowl but our team has an underperforming QB that is overpaid trying to play behind a crappy OL with a defense that can't stop the run or the pass. Oh... and the play-calling blew.

 

He's overperforming for his circumstances.

If he's not, then you must provide some QB's that have played better then Thill who also have had horrible olines, horrible oc's, abandoned running game and not allowed to audible.

No insults. Just provide the list.