I agree that patience is lacking. I've certainly been guilty of it myself, although I believe I'm justified after following this team for most of my 29 years. I think the reason the Beck allegiance is a little annoying is that it seems to denigrate anyone other than John Beck. If Henne is truly outperforming both Beck and McCown and he shows well in the pre-season he should be the starter, that's what competition is supposed to be about. And if Beck lights it up, great, I'll be the first guy buying his jersey
Completely agree with texasPF....there are a lot of people complaining ab Beck being written off, and I've yet to see anyone write him off.
Bingo!! I can understand it if the negativity is aimed at the writer/article itself, but i sure hope its not at Henne, or any negativity towards his performances so far. The guy is like beck, a good, smart kid, with loads of talent. If Chad has the poise and confidence to get the job done and Beck doesnt, then so be it. If its the other way around... so be it. Hell, even if its Mccown, ill be bummed out its not one of our two young guys, but in the end, im a fins fan. Not a John Beck, or Chad Henne, or Josh McCown fan. I just want us to win, and want us to find our future QB.
i am 100% with you on shaking my head on the decisions of that time.... but i explicitly remember that feeley had like one more pick 6 than fiedler... i had money on a bet with someone about that. yeah, i was pro-feeley. go figure.
I am a Dolphin fan. For me the best thing to happen is Beck and Henne look great, Beck gets traded and Miami gets something for their investment. Honestly I would be happy if one of them turns out to be something decent. I would just rather of it be both of them
Every positive mention of Henne is drowned out by accusations of anti-Beck bias in the TC reports, etc. And tons of posters preface any comment about the QB's with "I want Beck to win the job", which is a fine opinion to have, but let's not pretend that it's not denigrating to the other QBs. There was a long thread in the club about how maybe the coaches are deliberately making things hard on Beck specifically b/c they really want him to win the job. Come on. But hey, like I said, if Beck earns it, great. I have no preference except that the guy who performs the ebst wins the job.
I think he did that year. I do know overall Fiedler had more. I wonder who has the record. I do remember seeing something that Fielder was in the top 5. I could also be making that up in my really dislike of Fiedler. Really it was more of what Fielder represented, which was a coach who refused to improve a position, even though he was in a position to improve that position. I do think Fielder did the best he could do and gave his heart for the Dolphins. Just wish Miami never put him in that position or he gave his heart for the Dolphins as a back up
I think most people really want Henne to sit a year. I don't know of many fans who are excited with having a rookie start the season.
feeley did that year. overall, fiedler kills him by a landslide, although that might just be virtue of the fact fiedler had more starts here. both were equally putrid IMO. it is also unfair to weigh them on even planes... fiedler played with an excellent team at the turn of the century. feeley had to play when the team imploded and everything fell apart. however, given that we can't have a constant here, we have to rate them with what we have, and given that, both sucked. I personally do not understand all the vile disdain many have for fiedler. i realize he wasn't that great, but he was trying his best and he did not decide the depth chart for the team. if you want to have ire towards anyone, it should be to wannstedt & the rest of the personnel guys at the time. fiedler had no business running the ship after marino, but is that fiedler's fault? no.
Fair enough. I just don't see the harm in having a guy take his lumps early, especially if he earns the job in TC and the pre-season.
Sorry but all three Qb's have not been stellar, and imo none of them are playing better than the other.
I'd like to know what Henne has done to deserve the same devotion from some of the fans who have not even seen him in uniform yet? Because they're going on what a bunch of bloggers say, while those same bloggers are all hanging out in the shade talking to one another. I listened to Omar on the radio today while practice was going on and it was being laughed at by he and the radio host, that they were missing what was going on.... Seriously! Henne has not OUTPLAYED any of the other 2. The surprise might be that he is staying with them, but he is not playing the best....
Henne played first team yesterday ... and Omar proclaimed Beck the bst looking QB yesterday, and by all accounts looked good (probably the best) today as well. Coincidence? Hmmm ...
I said it earlier and I repeat, I can only go by what Sparano has stated time and time again. "Not one QB has separated himself from the other 2". So whatever a blogger, or sideline reporter, or anyone else for that matter said, it does not trump what Sparano has stated. All three QB's have had good days, all three have had bad days. All three have made "good deep ball throws" or things like that. All three have had trouble with some throws. It is still very early in the competition and most of the last week was implementation of different things this team was going to try to do. Now that the implementation phase is complete, as Sparano stated earlier, the remaining practices will be repetition after repetition of these things. If one or two are going to start to shine and pull away, IMO, it will start to happen soon. I am confident that after Saturday's preseason game everyone, most importantly Sparano and his staff, will have a pretty good baseline on where each one is under fire and begin to work, at least on a preliminary, depth chart for this position. RIGHT NOW NO ONE IS AHEAD OF THE OTHER. Of course the good thing is that it sounds like all three are playing better this week, if we could just get the dropsies out of the WR system.
Does that still warrant a negative reaction when one of them breaks out of the funk and has an impressive day? Whether it be Henne, Beck, or McCown? And not for nothing, but if 4 or more media or other sources say a guy had a good day throwing the ball, he probably had a good day throwing the ball. Pretty sure it's not a vast conspiracy to try and spin public opinion one way or the other.
i think perceptions are relative, and people are crossing the lines here. Henne isn't outperforming the other two QBs, but he is performing better than expected for a raw rookie. Beck isn't that bad, but there is an expectation from improvement from last year and perhaps that is the bar the reporters are holding him to. so i'm inclined to believe they are all about the same, but people's expectations are different. we shouldn't confuse expectations with actual performance
truth. but sometimes we need to take a second, step back, and try to recapture some element of objectivity when looking at things.
Well, I haven't seen many posters stating that they want Henne to start. That honor is reserved for Beck. And the fact that Henne is staying with the other two to me is incredibly impressive. Or it could mean that all 3 stink. We don't know.
That's just it! None of the Qb's have had these GOOD days throwing the ball. They've all thrown some good passes during the practices but each and every one of them are making a lot of mistakes during EACH practice. The media has, for the most part, said they've been surprised that Henne is keeping up with the other two, not that he's having these all impressive individual practices. Unless there was some sort of code out there telling us all to read these blogs backwards and the real truth is told there? Or maybe I'm missing some blogs somewhere because I have not seen this. They all issue some excuses for him too. I just herd Jason Jackson from QAM quote one of the bloggers, and he said Henne fumbled his first snap, hit Ginn on a shorter route, then was intercepted in the endzone by Will Allen. Then the next line says.......TO BE FAIR TO HENNE. Derik Hagan did not have the best position on that pass so it was an easy pick by Allen. Had Hagan positioned himself right, he would have had a better chance at it!! Now how does that blogger know that Henne threw it to the right spot or that Hagan ran the exact route he was supposed to, or that Allen was using outside technique and Henne threw the ball to his off balanced side? Now I'll give that blogger a little credit because his first part stated that John Beck had some misfortunes in his series. Stating that quite a few passes thrown by him were dropped. My entire point though is that none of the 3 Qb's have been having good camps. If anything, all 3 have been average so far.
I've seen a lot of posters wanting Henne to start, or at least start at some point this season. John Beck was pretty impressive in camp last season, and with a bad team, he was thrown into the fire and it shell shocked him. I'm rooting for Beck, but if he can't handle the upcoming pressure thats soon to be handed to him in real games, then at least we'll know, and I'll help pack his belongings and kick him to the curb. After that I want McCown to play, and let them groom Henne into something. He has much to learn, and some things to work on. The tools are there but they need to be sharpened. He's poised but not very mobile, and could end up getting killed just like Beck did last season.
I believe ya Ozzy. I'm calling it a dead even match to this point with the starter to arise from the preseason games. But, if it's still even after the PS, then what? For me the best solution for the 2010 plan is to give Beck the nod to see what happens in live action for 6 to 8 games, unless he just totally stinks it up, then in comes McCown until Henne can be prepped to start his career. I just don't see Parcells and co. throwing him in any sooner, particularly when the OL will still be gelling. As for McCown, well I think he's consistently inconsistent and offers nothing for the 2010 plan outside of veteran presence and toughness. But if Henne tears it up in PS and Beck craps the bed, then I say you gotta think about giving him the reins early.
The media is treating Henne and Beck the same. They have made the same amount of excuses for Beck when he throws a pick that's not his fault. I've been reading them every day. Is it that hard to believe that Chad Henne might have had a good practice? John Beck has had good practices too! So has McCown. It's not all the doom and gloom and media conspiracy picture that you're trying to paint.
The media gives Henne too many excuses for fumbles and int's......period! They're not doing the same for McCown or Beck. I understand why they do it, but most of the people don't! It's not that Henne is having good practice after good practice. It's that for a rookie he is keeping up which is better than good, but not placing him ahead! I'm not trying to paint anything. I'm not going by just reading them, I'm actually comparing for the times when I've actually been there and saw the same plays they did. Except one thing. I see every single play uninterupted. They don't!
Well I guess I'll take your word for it. I forget you've actually seen a lot of these practices. I'm just trying to take every good piece of information I hear positively. I'm sure I'll have plenty to be dissapointed in when the season starts, but maybe not!
Believe you me, I just want ONE of them to pull ahead, and there is nothing better than a real game to give us a better idea. We'll all be able to give our opinions on what we see on Saturday though. I'll be pulling for whomever they think is the better Qb.