Agree about Nkemdiche. For the moment I'd stack 'em 1. Nkemdiche 2a. Lawson 2b. Nassib 4. Oakman 5. Ogbah 6. Bullard Oakman might have the highest upside of the bunch once he fully matures into his massive man body- a bigger better version of Michael Johnson. Really like his attitude. [video=youtube;7j6EMPnQ8Bc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j6EMPnQ8Bc[/video] [video=youtube;FzL5hWSpXoU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzL5hWSpXoU[/video] [video=youtube;PxbAErK4rvg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxbAErK4rvg[/video]
I need to watch some Baylor. I think the only game I've ever watched was the bowl game against Michigan State last year. Oakman's obviously got a body that'd make DJ drool. Is Nassib related to Ryan Nassib the Giants backup QB??
I was really impressed with how Lynchplayed against Tulsa a week after a huge upset over Ole Miss. No letdown or anything. Just keeps checking the boxes off. I agree with you about the speed andprocess in terms of decision making for both Lynch and Mallett along footworkissues. Lynch’s mobility has helped himmask those issues to some degree. Also, I’dfeel pretty comfortable from a character standpoint with Lynch after readingstories on him. I guess you could say hewould be the opposite of Mallett in that regard. The best comp I’ve seen so far for Lynchis Blake Bortles by Walter Football. They look pretty similar on the field. One difference would be their release…Bortles has a more compactdelivery, whereas Lynch is over the top. Will be interesting to see how the top 3 shake out after the evaluation process, because I think they're currently interchangeable.
Are you guys leaving Bosa off your lists intentionally because he will be long gone by when we pick? If not yall are crazy...dude just eats every single week..can't stop him.
Just had to make sure! Otherwise I like your list. I'd probably have Oakman ahead of Nassib though, maybe Ogbah as well.
Not a lot of weight behind my list ATM with so much film left to watch. I've yet to see Kemoko Turay and Noah Spence. Still a chance I'll move Nassib back..... or perhaps you'll see others start to move him up.
Looking at some receivers. All eyes will be on LaQuan Treadwell for good reason. He's incredible. But I also like Josh Doctson, Will Fuller and obviously Tyler Boyd. Fuller reminds me of Kenny Stills. He's that kind of player. Doctson has a great combination of explosiveness, speed and length, also makes fantastic plays and gives everything on every play. Tyler Boyd has the best hands of the group, good length and speed, some polish, but his clock isn't running as fast as the other two.
The two players who have captured my attention this year are Memphis QB Paxton Lynch and Baylor TE LaQuan McGowan. They both have the "wow" factor, not just for size but for athletic ability as well. As to Lynch- I saw him play a bit and the bottom line is that he's pushing 6-7 250 lbs with a rifle arm, nimble feet with speed and escapability, great athleticism and a feel for the game. As Otis asked Lex Luther in Superman, what more could anyone ask? I think that CK Parrot Head summed it up well- here's a guy with Ryan Mallett caliber size and arm strength who has the athleticism and head for the game to back it up, not to mention personal character far above Mallett. First pick in the draft imo. This Baylor TE- listed at 6-7, 410 lbs, makes one handed catches look routine in practice, used as an H-back and as an added twist he's left handed. He can break off of an unbalanced line to be a stealth receiver (as stealth as 400 lbs can be), play FB like Earl Mitchell is doing now for us on occasion and be an inline blocker extraordinaire. But is he an NFL TE or is he just too damn big to play TE and destined for OT? Will he become more of a Jason Peters or Mike Williams? Who knows, but LaQuan McGowan is an interesting player. I hope that a creative coach like Bill Bellichick doesn't get hold of him, that's for sure. http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2015/4/23/8467127/laquan-mcgowan-baylor-tight-end
I always caution people against gimmick looking players and McGowan is a gimmick looking player. He needs to lose about a hundred pounds before he might actually be unique enough to do what he does at the NFL level.
I'm trying to keep my focus on OT,OG,DE,DT,MLB,OLB,CB,FS. I think this draft will have runs on OTs and QBs which should leave pass rushers available for us when we pick. Was watching Shaq Lawson on Clemson. I dont know but I wouldnt draft him. He has a weird dip of the shoulder pass rush where he almost turns his back to the play. he's put up some nice numbers and seems to be highly regarded. Am i missing something? Any thoughts CK?
I'm thinking of McGowan more of as an OT + as opposed to TE. The allure is as a huge, athletic man who can play some TE and FB but he's just too damn dig to be a full time TE imo. Baylor actually had him at OG and not OT iirc, but the template is Jason Peters as an OL/TE, or more specifically as a jumbo TE who was moved to OT in the pros. Huge player, very athletic for a big man, we'll see what happens. I keep thinking of Bellichick finding creative ways to use him. Watching Memphis play navy tonight, the way that Paxton Lynch can move around for a 6-7 250 lb QB is striking. Love his arm, he can make every throw in the book.
Is Baylor's o-line that good that they were forced to move McGowan away from an every-down contributing role to that of a pseudo gimmick player?
I don't think so. I saw McGowan playing a little while back, this enormous dude wearing #80 playing TE. My immediate thought was whoa, what's this? For better or worse I see him as an OT who can play some blocking TE in mainly goal line or short yardage situations, Tackle eligible stuff as well. He's a compelling athlete and just plain huge.
You should watch the Clemson v ND game. He faces off with Stanley quite a bit who is a top tier OT prospect in his own right. He's a wrecking ball man.
There are some really good backs coming out this year. I'd love to bring miller back and I think we will try...but until Ajayi proves otherwise I'm still looking for an upgraded #2 back. Couple of guys that have stood out to me besides the obvious like Elliot and Henry Devontae Booker, Wayne Gallman (RS Soph), Alex Collins and Kenneth Dixon.
I'll see if i can get that gm. Stanley looks really really good so that would be an impressive performs for lawson
I think if you're looking for a Tackle-eligible with just enough receiving skills to make a solid snap count, you're talking more Gordon Dillon than McGowan. He's someone who has had a lot of snaps at TE @ 310lbs in a pro-style offense. He's missing the rest of the year with an injury, but I think he's very much someone who deserves a look if you're going for a blocking TE.
Three pretty good QBs in this draft in Jared Goff, Connor Cook and Paxton Lynch. The NFL will have fun sorting all that out. Many will side with Cook because of his pro-ready experience. Evidently there are some character issues to get through with him though, leading me to think his pro career could be similar to Cutler's.
I like watching Ogbah play. Exciting player IMO. What do you guys see as his weaknesses that may prevent him from making an immediate impact as a rookie?
Kind of raw and one-note in terms of how he gets around blockers. Sometimes that never goes away, for whatever reason. Dion Jordan is a great example. Otherwise huge, strong and explosive. I liken him to Zeke Ansah.
If you don't get yourself in position to get Lynch, Goff, or Cook (I'm a fan of all three, probably favoring Lynch) and Jacoby Brissett is sitting there in the third round, that's a move you have to make right? He's 22 years old and a Senior. His numbers aren't eye-popping but he is playing at NC State. He has great poise and the game doesn't get bigger than he is in his mind. He took it to top ranked Clemson two weeks ago and his upset bid against FSU in 2014 was stymied by the greatness of college Jameis Winston. He's polished, has really good pocket awareness, and his footwork never seems to put him in problems when delivering the ball. He has great size at 6'4" and about 230. He only really has two years at the college level so he doesn't have much wear, nor is he a closed case in terms of development. I don't know if Cook is THAT much better than Brissett but his lower profile takes down his draft stock. I think he's every bit the polished passer as the other guys.
I talked about receivers like Josh Doctson, Will Fuller and Tyler Boyd. But make no mistake, LaQuon Treadwell is king of that position. He's inhuman. He's some bestial...thing. I love watching him block because his character becomes apparent. Some guys barely put up a fight, looking somewhere between hesitant and disinterested. Some guys "occupy". Some guys are keenly focused on their technique. Some guys like to really man up and try and "win". And then there are guys who really enjoy finding new and inventive ways of being a complete *******. That's LaQuon Treadwell.
What are some of your takes on Jaylon Smith? His lateral agility is special...this guy can flat out move out there.
Indiana WR Simmie Cobbs looks like he can be a very good pro, he's only a sophmore but the ability is certainly there.
I am not sure where he would fit in (assuming he proved to be a good pro) since we have Jelani Jenkins, but I would love to have Jatavius Brown on our team.
I don't see Charone Peak [Clemson WR] receiving much love anywhere but I can see him emerging as a nice value pick in the 3rd round. 6'2 215 with good speed and impressive toughness & physicality [bit of a linebacker mentality to him]. The requisite talent level is there to blossom into a quality pro after having a college career derailed by injury.
Anyone have any thoughts on Reggie Ragland? Just watching a bit of him during my lunch break and I came away impressed. He's more mobile than those traditional "thumper" LBs that the Crimson Tide have seemed to employ since Rolando McClain left. If Miami stays with a similar style defense, I could see him being a 2 or 3 down guy in the middle that would be a nice partner with Jelani Jenkins; Ragland is very savvy in coverage from what I've seen though his speed is a little less than desired. But, having a future with Phillips, Suh and Ragland up the middle is enticing. At this point, to me, I'm leaning toward Ragland and Ogbah in the first two rounds if they both last.
Haven't watched Ragland enough to have an opinion yet. I was thinking it seemed like a great year to go CB-DE in the first two rounds.
Interested on your thoughts on Ragland when you do watch him. Certainly CB-DE in 1-2 is not a bad shout either. I really like your boy Alexander; think he'll declare?
Yeah he wants to come out, dammit. As do Kearse & Lawson. If the other elite junior CBs also declare, we could very well end up having a few corners pushed to the second round who would've otherwise not escaped the first round in most normal years. Either that or perhaps the higher supply of elite corners pushes one of those elites into the teens when they would've otherwise required a top 10 pick (assuming that corners of their caliber would actually be available in all other years). The law of supply and demand will push talented players back in a loaded positional draft class and will push inferior players up in a weak one. I mean, if Pat Peterson, Joe Haden, and Morris Claiborne were all in the same draft class, would Claiborne still be the 6th overall pick- immediately behind Peterson [5th] and ahead of Joe Haden [7th]? I highly doubt it; he's probably in a fight with Amukamara for the 19th spot of the 2011 draft. So hypothetically we could end up having Jalen Ramsey, Hargreaves, and Mackensie Alexander drafted in similar spots as the first 3 corners of the 2012 draft: Morris Claiborne [6th], Stephon Gilmore [10th], and Dre Kirkpatrick [17th]. The draft slots might be comparable, but the actual caliber of player is superior. That's why I like comparing players to their respective positional groups of the past rather than comparing them to their draft rankings which can be misleading b/c of the aforementioned law of supply and demand. It adds a bit more integrity to the BPA approach IMO.
Judging by the tenor of Dolphins fan discussions we're gonna have to start talking about QBs again this draft.
We definitely need to add a corner in the draft fairly early...but there are also some decent options in FA at that position. We also really need to see more of Bobby McCain and even Lippett...I've seen enough of Taylor to know he's a #4-5 type CB. I think this is shaping up to be a pretty solid LB class as well...with Jaylon Smith being this cream of the crop. I wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger on him at all....but there are also some other solid players. Really like Scooby Wright and Nick Vigil as guys who I think play day 1 but won't cost you a 1st round pick. My goodness though we need an upgrade to this unit. FS, DE, and Guard are all major needs as well that could easily be early round picks for the right player. At DE I think Shelby is a critical player to bring back...I'm assuming OV walks.
Paxton Lynch is such a poor man's Cam Newton. I don't mean that in a bad way. He's Newton with slightly less speed. He's got the size, strength, he's got agility of his own and the same kind of body movement skills. He can choose when to be the hammer and when to avoid a hammering, which was one of Newton's traits. His passing system is simplistic like Newton's. Part of me really wants to go back to Newton's tapes at Auburn so that I can make sure I've isolated the differences.
If we're going CB in the first, I think Hargreaves is my preferred choice. The only knock on him is size, but he locks down one of your corner spots for the next 10 years imo. Great technique and work ethic (coach's son), verbal leader, experience playing in multiple schemes, not afraid to come up in run support, and was able to mentally handle the pressure of coming in as a 5 star freshman and immediately perform at a high level.
We have so many holes to fill, I'd be really conflicted about going QB in this draft. But then again, you can maybe save some money off Matt Moore's salary to fill one of those holes in free agency. Haven't really looked at QBs this year. Who would be most likely options in those mid-late rounds? Also, if we get rid of Moore, will any of these rookie QBs be able to fulfill his coaching duties as well?
He'd be a hell of an addition. The idea is to add really good players to your team and he's a really good player.
That's essentially the same description for Mackensie Alexander. His NFL comparison is probably Vontae Davis [the current mature version who takes his craft seriously].
