Will we be able to rebuild the OLine before we have to get rid of Tannehill ?

The better the QB, the more the effect. Obviously. The worse the QB, the same but in the opposite way.

Arguing Tannehill doesn't have much effect is arguing he's not that instrumental. JAG. Todd Gurley, huge affect. Melvin Gordon, not much. Trent Richardson, no effect. Maybe negative. Adrian Peterson lots.

If Romo plays well (he may not, it is his first game back) we're going to see how instrumental a good QB is. We saw the effect of losing a great QB in 2013 with the Packers.

You also have to factor in the replacement. If you lose Aaron Rodgers but go to Tolzien and Seneca Wallace, you go from a 13 win season to a 0 win season or close to it. Flynn steps in and gets a tie, and a coupla wins and a coupla losses.

 

Who did the bold?

 

We can start off in the beginning where you said I blast him every chance I get, it's your daily hyperbole and you probably don't have it inside you to admit that is hyperbole, so whats the point?

I call you out on crap like this all the time and you never man up and admidt it.




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Meow

 

Romo's play speaks for itself. Anyone remember the drive that won the game against us in 2011? He should have been sacked like 3-4 times to end it, but miraculously made plays.

 

I remember not too long ago, most people shat all over Romo, despite his regular season stats. They haven't had much playoff success, so what's changed people's minds?

 

Don't be dumb. You know as well as I do, Romo decided to get "it". Now he's great. That Tanny's problem, he doesn't have "it".

 

He's always had that "it" factor. Even with no O-line and no defense they competed because he carried the team for large stretches at a time. Hell, if it weren't for that hotly debated rule on the Bryant catch in the playoffs last year, they would have been in the NFC championship game and possible the SB.

You'll probably say to me "Oh well they have that O-line" ...... ok, well how well have Cassell and Weeden done behind those same guys?

 

And the Patriots had a damn Center playing LT!!! They are undefeated.

Folks are so desperate to feel like we are "set" at Qb that they lie to themselves.


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That is sad, but true.

 

Let's forget for a second that Pats cheat and let's, for argument's sake, say Tom Brady is great without cheating.

Would he thrive in an offense where he had to run all the time? No, of course not. So, if I compare Brady to Newton and only use the ability to run to grade, then I could plausibly say Newton is better than Brady.

Fast forward to this conversation. Brady has a center playing LT and bad olines in the past, so that somehow means Tannehill isn't good because he needs a good oline? That's every bit as stupid as saying Newton is better than Brady because Newton runs.

Outside of Brady (who is on a team that has been caught cheating multiple times), how many great QBs didn't need at minimum one of the following:

- average oline, average defense
- great oline
- great defense


There's this stupid notion that good or great QBs need nothing and can win in any scenario under any circumstances. This is really no different than the W/L record is a QB stat nonsense.

 

^^^ terrible point


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Because it destroys your whole stance.

 

No...

Its simply terrible. And that "notion" is even more evidence of how flawed you percieve things.

Who thinks the QB can win games without "any help"?? Nobody. You came to yet another false conclusion that you can only decipher by taking someones post and reqouting with your own interpretation.

How are even allowed to do that?


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Dude you are wasting your time with these people.Tannehill is without question of a doubt the long term answer to these people based on what I don't know.
Reminds me of the same debate I went through with chad henne who is now a backup qb just like I thought he would be.Tannehill is a middle road qb you can win with if you have a championship team around him.I just dont see him as a true franchise qb that can win unless you have a top 5 defence.
Do yourself a favor and stop posting to these people because its just a waste of time.

 

True, but it's entertaining, I enjoy reading his posts and the responses to him from that certain poster are really funny, so please don't ruin my interactive sit-com.

I was also in those Henne debates, and received the same flak, but Tanne is better than Henne, but not to a degree that will make us a better playoff team because Tanne isn't a money player, and I agree that you need to build a great team around Tanne, but to what avail? because if he can't perform in clutch situations how deep will we go into the playoffs...

With the team we would have to build to be successful with Tanne, we could be successful with most of the QBs in the league, and a lot cheaper too.

 

Sigh.

Why do you bring up Brady winning with a bad oline then?

See, you have a fundamental inability to understand the logical outcomes of what you are even talking about.

You are doing your level best to say the oline doesn't effect Tannehill's play, but then you turn around and pretend you think the QB needs help to win. Whether you understand it or not, these are conflicting thoughts and when you put them out there, you come across as someone who is talking out of both sides of their mouth. There's a cumulative effect of what you say on here. It paints a picture and that picture is very different then you think it portrays.

 

HAHA,Sorry If I tried to spoil your entertainment.
I agree with your last two sentences.The sad part is I have a hope and a prayer he starts playing better because he is my fantasy qb and need to win 2 out of next 3 to make playoffs.I bought into the hype in preseason about this guy.Ouch!

 

OK I'm officially went from thinking you were doing the stuff on purpose to literally feeling sorry for you.

Reminds me of one of my favorite quotes...."people who don't get it don't get that they don't get it"

Thats you in a nutshell.


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I hope he plays better too, the kid has been impressive as far as improvement goes, but therein lies the danger right, because he gets you to start believing, because he has talent, and he has progressed, but the clutch gene isn't there, and I doubt it ever will be, but you never know, if he starts displaying that clutch gene then i'm joining up with Fin D, lol, KIDDING, just kidding, but I would become a Tanne backer if that ever did happen, forgive me though if I'm not putting money on it.

 

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What kind of a nut indeed...

 

I doubt Tannehill is the source of your Fantasy woes. He's my Fantasy QB and i'm 8-2 in first place.

 

Answer the question asked of you...why did you bring up the line Brady plays with, if not to point out that bad line play is not a reason for the QB to struggle?

Don't insult me, don't ignore it, just answer that simple question.

 

Well I'm 6-4 and he has only thrown 2 tds in the last 3 weeks so he is not helping either.Kind of like in real football.

 

Dallas Thomas is bad...very bad. However, the other 4 aren't that bad.

I think the poor OL has a lot to do with:
* Scheme
* Play-calling (similar concepts, plays, tendencies that the defense can sniff out)
* QB awareness
* Inability to get in and out of plays easily - along with line calls

I think those should be fixed, along with a Dallas Thomas change and we have an OL.

 

Ha! So now you are calling Boik an a--hole!!!?!?

Wow man, you are really toeing the line.


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What?

 

Kind of my reaction when you take something I say and twist it into something I didnt.

It was a free lesson on what you do too others.

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I am asking you, why you brought up Brady and his oline, if I'm wrong about your intentions.

I'm literally asking for you to correct me since you think I'm so wrong and instead you just quadruple down on douche.

So you say X, then say you didn't say X, then insult.

 

Buddy, Ive been correcting you for about 18 months now...am i too believe that today is the day you start to "get it"??

And the mention of Brady's patchwork OL was intended to show you and others that having a bad OL (like many qbs do) does not automatically mean a Qb cant play well.

And naturally you twisted that by referencing other parts of his team that play well also, as if that matters one bit.

Basically what happened is I gave you an example, and instead of acknowledging it you took it 10 other directions, you even brought up cheating as a reason his OL hasnt effected him?? Lol


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It could be worse.. I have the Dolphins defense. Yikes


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Hahahahahaha...its unbelievable.

You say X, I say you said X, then you say you never said X, then I say ok explain what you mean, and you say X.

You're insane. You have to be single.

 

I just explained to you in english the reason I brought up Brady's patchwork OL.

How am I denying anything??

I'll gladly answer any questions you have in hopes that it finally clicks for you.


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Seriously?

The reason you gave for bringing up Brady and his oline, is EXACTLY the reason I said you brought it up to which you said I was crazy for saying.

Pills. Lots and lots of pills. Take them. Get better.

 

I think you are just mentally wired differently from others. Not an insult, just a polite reasoning for your struggles.

Have a great day.


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I'M mentally wired differently? Really?

Because it takes a serious misfiring synapse issue to think these:

...are so drastically different from this that I'm crazy:

 

HAHA,I drafted them, cut them and then picked them back up.Can you say glutton for punishment.

 

I did the same thing...never caught them on a good week, then again, haven't been many good weeks


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****ing riding the Chiefs now