Will we be able to rebuild the OLine before we have to get rid of Tannehill ?

How many offenses that score 19 mpg in this day and age are successful? Not many, same with defenses that give up 25ppg.

by the way they have given up over 30 twice this season, hardly "routine"

 

Tannehill can do amazing things in the pocket...when he has one. The problem is that he might as well not have an oline.

And Lazor sucks.

 

Again, dude, this isn't about only this season.

What is the league average for scoring? Last year it was 21, I believe. So, teams didn't have to score tons, on average, to win.

 

Don't forget, our QB has been just as inconsistent as the other units. He has done nothing but follow the theme of "meh" football from S Florida.

 

Only 7 out of 32 teams have scored on avg less than 20ppg...point is we are watching a team with universal fail written all over them.

 

Average scoring this season is 23.3, last season was 22.6.

 

Tannehill to me doesn't show the sort of movement within and out of the pocket that pocket passers have to show to run that sort of offense. He needs an offense where the QB is moved by design.

 

Which means our offense is scoring 4.2 less ppg than the avg Off, and our defense is allowing 1.8 more ppg than the avg off scores.

See what I mean? Team sucks as a whole, Off just a tad worst than the D.

 

Meh. Judge Tannehill on pocket presence when he has a semblance of a line.

 

That's fair. Which is why I'm routinely baffled at why Lazor doesn't get him on the move more often. It's a strength of his, use it!

 

Because our defense puts us behind and we become one dimensional.

But lemme guess, that never happens.

 

No, our offense is averaging 21.2 ppg. 2.1 points below average.

Not bad for a team with no oline. LOL

 

Just take a decent number of plays in which Tannehill and a QB in a pocket passing offense receive similar sorts of pressure. Exclude all other plays. Then see how often Tannehill moves and escapes that pressure, versus the other QB. I think you'll find that Tannehill's feet are stuck in the mud in comparison to the other QB. And that would be on plays with similar degrees of pressure across both teams, excluding all other plays.

 

If you can find me stats that show how many defenders are getting pressure per play, comparing all teams, I'd love to see it.

I have seen the graphic from the NFL that has Wilson contributing to sacks at the fourth highest rate in the league.

Pro tip: Tannehill wasn't above him.

 

No its not.

You are looking at TEAM PPG, our actual offense is averaging 19.1....and it is bad, 26th worst in the NFL bad.

 

Correction: Our defense AND our offense put us behind in games. It's a symbiotic relationship. I guess not being able to sustain drives when we go pass happy early doesn't have anything to do with that .....

 

To be fair, there were some other QBs in the graphic tweeted by the NFL that showed were the bottom 4 in the league in sacks attributed to the QB, by percentage...Wilson was included, Tannehill wasn't (still can't believe Fitz has only been sacked 7 times...damn).

It didn't get much attention, of course. Wilson is teflon around here.

At times yes, it does seem he's late in reacting. But it also seems like, on those late to reacts (many of them), the defense is getting very fast pressure.

 

Being one dimensional, with the exception of a Cheatriots game or two, never works. It's not just Tannehill, it's a league reality.

 

You wouldn't need any statistics to do this experiment. Just take plays that are very similar across the two QBs in terms of the pressure put on the QB, and see how often Tannehill escapes the pressure with movement, versus the other QB. Take for example a type of pressure that happens often in the NFL, where a blitzer comes up the middle untouched, and see how Tannehill reacts and how often he escapes with movement in comparison to the other QB.

 

Actually he's pretty consistent. When he gets protection he does well, when he doesnt he doesnt do well. Just like every other QB not residing in Fantasy land

 

The problem is that when the QB moves quickly after the snap in response to the recognition of pressure, extends the play with his feet and completes a throw downfield, it can look like "protection," like there wasn't any real pressure on the play. I think the issue is that you're wanting the sort of protection that makes up for Tannehill's deficiency in this area, that allows him to stand back there and throw without moving.

 

you simply dont grasp how an offense works. Thats ok. Its a complex game. People like you are why professionals came up with the axiom "Quarterbacks get too much of the credit when the team wins and too much of the blame when teams lose" You are unable to compartmentalize a quarterbacks contributions to a system vs the other components. You have the football acumen of a twelve year old. But thats cool. Its an enjoyable game even if you dont understand all the subtleties.

 

Do they feed you grapes on that throne? LOL

 

he moves. most successful movement by qbs isnt when they are facing a jailbreak but when one side gets more of a push than the other and they move to keep a foot or two of seperation. on the last drive you saw tannehill move out of the pocket, buy time and find sims for a six or seven yard reception. the reason he was able to do it was because there wasnt a jailbreak, there was a push. jailbreak rushes destroy all qbs not named wilson. but then wilson sucks when he actually stays in the pocket

 

you guys put too much of an offense's success on the qb. sorry if the truth hurts

 

Yea, what a struggle for another QB to complete a butt load of short passes, c'mon dude, you act like this is some sophisticated offense that only Tanne can run, it is the most dink and dunk O in the league, many QBs could run this offense with as much or greater efficiency.

 

Not that simple, sound good though.

 

Ah yes. Thanks for the correction.

 

The Tanny clan must have some nerves struck by the subpar season of their hero...lots of stupids, dumbs and baiting posts.

They so mad, that idc if they get a pass because some of the mods share the same apologetic agenda for mediocrity because the tone of their posts truly makes me giggle.

 

anyone watching MNF and how unbelievably below average andy dalton looks tonight?

 

That tells us nothing. If you compare Tannehill to say, Wilson, Tannehill is physically incapable of escaping like him. Further, you need to have similar plays with similar numbers of pressure. You can't compare a QB who has pressie from a Blitzer up the middle along with pressure from the edge, to a QB who only had a blitzer getting pressure untouched up the middle. Frankly, most of the bad plays people complain about Tannehill seen to come off of four man rushes that generate quick pressure from multiple places. He literally has nowhere to go, and no one to throw to with 7 men in coverage.

 

Wait....I thought you were in the pro tannehill camp?

 

Want to talk about a baiting post.

Try reading your own.

 

I was....until 2015 season. Then my worst fears came true...our qb is very avg.

 

Cause and effect...

If i would not have read atlas 3 posts flat out insulting other posters??? I wouldnt have had to call you guys out on it.

 

If you had been pro-Tannehill, we wouldn't have had numerous arguments over the past two seasons.

Nor would you consistently have derided those not laying all the blame at the feet of the QB.

 

Is that that thing where we isolate one game and attempt to marginalize someone's entire season?

 

And yet your message is the same. Weird.

 

we're just protecting the site from the Jets trolls

 

Aaaaand you just can't help yourself, even though you must know I will call you on it followed with a point and laugh..

Your last sentence is flat out BS and standard for you of late tbh. Post with some substance and not made up cries for acceptance.