Pure Speculation, is Ted Ginn expendable?

if we trade every rookie that doesnt have a pro bowl year their first year we are gonna have a high turnover from year to year.

 

And that is what we are all trying to find out, correct? We don't know what the "trio" is thinking of Ginn's future with the team. If there was questions surrounding his future, this would be much easier lol.

 

Well, I'm not saying we trade every rookie that doesn't have a Pro Bowl year (though Colston and Bowe fit the bill well ). But I just don't think Ginn can be a guy QB's will throw to and trust like they would a much bigger target.

 

no, he is not expendable

 

Sure, but I just don't get the vibe that Ginn would be an adequate #1. #2 sure but from what I've seen, I just don't see the signs. I saw it in Welker (incredible work effort and finding gaps in the D), Braylon Edwards (perfect size and speed), Boldin (mentality of a QB to find holes in D), Fitz (see Edwards), Bowe (likewise).

 

That's true but you have to look at the long-term factor with Glenn. The guy is 34, coming off of two knee injuries and may not play more than two years.

I think Bess can step up on the KR's for us if asked to. He may have the best hands on the team.

I agree with you.

 

I don't see how it makes sense to trade TG even for a 1st. When you draft a WR you assume a three year development period. In his first year he showed some development (in range with many WRs who have gone on to greatness) and the early reports are that he's improved his route running since (a typical developmental 2nd step). If you thought he was worth the #9 pick originally then he has done nothing to dispel that. It seems to me that the people who would trade him for a first now a simply those that didn't think he was worth the pick when he was taken.

And I don't see any reason to believe that BP/Ireland would fall in that group.

 

If you want a look at what Ginn's ceiling likely is, compare him to Terry Glenn. Both are 5'11 WR's who flourished on speed in college (both Ohio State ). Essentially gets from 700-1100 yards a game with a few TD's (mostly on the lower end of that scale). But when combined with an #1 WR with size (TO, Keyshawn), he can reach that higher end. I think Ginn will be like that but Wilford is no Keyshawn yet and certainly no TO. I think if we get a guy with similar ability as TO or Braylon Edwards to be Batman to Ginn's Robin, we will be set.

 

If we were offered a first rounder for him, I'd take it. Nothing less though.

 

You can be #1 and small.

 

Sure you have guys like Steve Smith, Harrison, and Wayne. Smith is in a category all to himself and he is adept at finding gaps in the D just like Welker. Harrison (in a class of his own as well) and Wayne have Manning, who can make anyone look good. I don't consider Ginn as good as them or ever will be. But a huge majority of the leading WR's have size. You wanna be in the majority or gamble in the minority? With CB's getting speedier, you need size to combat them.

 

Why would Parcells and Co. be hesitant to admit that the previous FO made a mistake?

 

So we trade him for a 2009 pick who also takes 2-3 years to develop? Makes zero sense.

 

Well, not if it's Michael Crabtree.

 

Who rated this thread one star? I think its a very good one, except its giving me a headache trying to figure out if it would be good to move him for a first or not. This now has been on my mind since Padre posted this thread lol.

 

Eh, I just don't see the comparison between Smith's and Ginn's game. Ginn's shifty as a returner but he hasn't exactly shown it in the passing game in creating separation and running routes. In addition, Smith is not easily jammed while Ginn is. If he is paired with a #1 WR with size, Ginn will do well and his ability to stretch the D with speed will work. Until then, I don't quite trust him to be the dependable #1 threat on the offense who can rack up the reception counts.

 

i see no similarities with Smith and Ginn, smith is an explosive football player, very aggressive, ginn has yet to show both of those traits, i think he will be better but not close to smith, not yet anyway

 

That is insane. First, we wouldn't know where the pick was going to be. And second, you cannot possibly think that Terry Glenn is going to replace Ginn. Without Ginn, we have nobody at WR, nobody. We have one of the bottom groups of WR in the NFL. There can be no reason for trading Ginn, absolutely none.

 

You cant blame his lack of production all on him. He had an awful QB situation and really didn't get a lot of time for most of the season. If you could dig up his drop stats from last year, I believe it was only like 3 passes.

He def made the most of his opportunities. He also improved his route running and hands very quickly IMO. Can't wait to see what he can do with more opportunities and a better QB. I'm crossing my fingers on the second part of that last sentence.

 

see my last sentence.


I dont know what you mean by hes a luxury. What do you think we should do? Trade a young WR who could be/is very talented bc we dont have a good QB?

 

Pretty stupid reason to dump him them. It's obvious we're rebuilding and on the right track, next year would be drafting more skill players anyways...

I don't see why Terry Glenn would give ANY reason to send Ginn packing as Glenn needs to stay healthy first. I don't think Glenn will play much for Miami because I think he'll be hampered by injuries.

 

hes also 57 years old.

 

dude, having Ginn is absolutely beneficial to a below average qb. Troy Smith would have never won a heisman without Ginn. Ginn was so wide open. The qb can throw the ball as hard as he can downfield, and he'll know that he made the right choice, because no one else can get to the ball before it lands except Ginn. When Beck, McCown, or whoever starts, takes the field, he will learn that getting the ball to Ginn is a very good thing. It wont take them long to realize how much easier their job is when Ginn gets the ball.

 

I don't think Glenn is going to be healthy, that's just it...

 

Why? What has Wilford done to get so far ahead of Ginn? Ginn has far more skills then Wilford IMO. The only advantage I'd give to Wilford is that he's a much bigger target and has obviously been in the league longer.

That was sarcasm. Obviously TO is in extraordinary shape for his age and thats why hes still so productive. Hes really the opposite of Glenn.

 

trading ginn makes NO sense. Glenn is here for 2 years MAX. Most likely he won't even last till the end of this year without getting hurt.

Trading him because we need to wait to develop him is crap, you need to develop every rookie so trading for a #1 pick makes no sense. Lets trade Merling because he obviously isn't going to be Richard Seymour in his first game.

I dont see how ginn is a "luxury" , we have NO wrs and our most talented receiver is a luxury? And no way is someone going to beat him out for KR/PR duties unless he is playing at receiver so much that they cant afford to tire him out.

AND the cap hit for trading ginn is so high that i doubt Parcells is even considering doing it.

 

I don't know if there has ever been a WR thats been in better shape than T.O outside of Jerry Rice.

 

Yup, pretty much the same thing I was saying as well.

Why trade Ginn because we don't have a good QB? It would be loosing a position of need to MAYBE gain a diff one and inevitably getting us nowhere. Theres really no good reason to trade him.

 

I really cant think of one off the top of my head. I think TO is def a lot more muscular then Rice ever was too.

 

definitely. i was talking about how hard they work to keep themselves in shape though.

 

Right. All those situps and curls in his driveway paid off.