Stop blaming Ndamukong Suh, Ryan Tannehill for Dolphins’ ills.

It's 25% of the season, in his 2nd year. I didn't say he was better. It's something worth keeping an eye on.

 

Ryan is NOT the reason our offense sucks, let me be very clear about that. But he also hasn't done anything special in his 4 years in the league that makes me believe he is a great QB being held back by his surroundings.

So so maybe the overall jury is still out, it is hard to accurately judge him overall when he is being pressured at this rate. But I also by no means believe he gets a total pass and is a victim of some sort.

We know he isn't very good at eluding pressure, that is obvious....but on the rare occasion he has had time I still see questionable field awareness and we won't even discuss his deep ball issue.

Bottom Line?
-Ryan NEEDS to play better
-Ryan NEEDS to be put in better situations


And that my friends is true.

 

The original comment I quoted was making an argument that he's probably better. I thought you were agreeing along with him.

 

That's an opinion. They are projecting. And anyone saying RT is top 10/12 is also projecting.

Carr is someone out of that list I see as possibly leapfrogging Tanny this year.

 

Carr is impressive, guy has some guts, seems to have that gunslinger mentality. He's not afraid of the big moment either.

 

I know. I have a problem with it but whatever. This year and the next will be the make or break year for him.

 

I like Carr as well but I'm not sure what big moments the Raider have been in under Carr.

 

Every win is a big moment for the Raiders.

 

Lol good point.

 

Sorry.....I'll rephrase the statement.
"Derek Carr doesn't seem to be afraid of big moments, the few tight games i've seen Oakland in, he's stepped up and battled.

As for Ryan Tannerhill, I still believe in him but my patience is at an all time low with him. This is beginning to feel Chad Henne esque all over again, but i've said that three years in a row now about him and he's always bounced back. It is a shame that we are in year four with him and still have no clue about him being "the guy. We need to bring in a veteran this offseason to push him a bit if he still hasn't solidified his status as franchise QB by seasons end.

 

Did you guys ever stop to think that Tannehill is the most sacked QB in the NFL because we pass the ball nearly three quarters of the time so defenses just rush the pass instead of hanging back anticipating a run? We know the Dolphins playbook is built to allow Ryan to audible to a built in run in a pass play and vice versa. And let's face it, he's no Marino. He could also use some read option to slow the pass rush even more if the OL is that bad. Plus since we all know his deep ball isn't too good, why not give him shorter fields with more rushes? Lamar Miller can do that at least if not move the chains once in a while.


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3 QB's. - their accuracy charts. Rank them.

 

Player 2
Player 3
Player 1

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Ah yes, the Player X ranking game.

 

Tannehill definitely needs to step up his game and I don't think he's ever going to be a Top 5 QB in the league. At the same time, expecting a guy to lead his team to the playoffs with consistently bad OL, ineffective running games and a defense that has been run over for almost a full season now is ridiculous.

All the QBs who are viewed highly and their "teams" go the playoffs have players that do their job so the QB can win games. Hell, how many years did Marino miss the playoffs because the "team" around him just wasn't good enough? I'm in no way comparing Marino to Tannehill but to ignore that football is a team sport and that the only way a QB can get to the playoffs is when his "team" is a playoff caliber team.

Let's not forget that the Patriots went 11-5 without Tom Brady as their starter for most of the season. It's no coincidence that his "teams" usually go to the playoffs.

 

Anyone else care to rank them?

 

Player 2 is killing his team by having more INTs on 3rd down than both player 1 and 3 combined.

 

Why are we playing the accuracy game once again? Guys, a "caught pass" does not mean an "accurate pass."

 

So is the flip side also true.....an incomplete does not mean an inaccurate pass either...right?

I'm asking because I want consistency. As long as consistency is there, carry on.

 

Finding it hard to understand how the down matters on an INT. Same result on 1st, 2nd, 4th, w/e.

 

Dude, don't you know?

3rd down INTS are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse, cause.....um......baba booey, baba booey...Howard Stern's *****.....

 

Absolutely, but alone the stat means absolutely nothing. Take the Bills game two weeks ago.

- Tannehill completed his first pass of the game. He was 1/1, 100% accuracy. It was a screen to Landry that went nowhere.

- Buffalo also completed their first pass of the game. It was a 65 yard TD pass. Their QB was 1/1 at that point, 100% accuracy.

In what world do we say, "Okay, these two quarterbacks are even on the day because they both completed one accurate pass?" That's why the completion percentage argument that so many here want to use as the entire proof of Tannehill's evolution is a lie...it does not tell an accurate story about your quarterback.

 

You would expect more INTs on third down, because usually 3rd downs are passing downs, so the defense is gearing for a pass, and the QB probably takes more chances on 3rd down.

 

As I said, as long as the consistency is there in one's argument, then carry on.

 

Franchise QBs throw more TDs than INTs on 3rd down, the money down.

Luck 31 TDs 12 INTs

Tanne 18 TDs 19 INTs

 

Anyone doubting Tannehill this year only needs to look as far as Peyton Manning, one of the greatest QBs of all time who is playing absolutely terrible because his offensive line is giving up tons of pressure. It's not always about getting sacked. Tannehill has no confidence in the guys up front. He KNOWS there will be pressure in his face. He feels the pressure before the snap. He knows he's going to get blown up. He knows he has no help. He see's the rush and he can't do anything to stop it other than get rid of it quick despite Lazor calling nothing but fly routes. There's absolutely NO way to stay cool and confident under these circumstances.

Not even the great Payton Manning can do it, so how can we expect Tannehill to do it?

 

FYI here are the QB's:

QB1 = Cam Newton
QB2 = Ryan Tannehill
QB3 = Andrew Luck


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I get that...but that's not the point. Pointing out that somebody has more 3rd down INTs than others doesn't mean jack...since the result is the exact same no matter what the down is...you lose the ball and an opportunity to drive/score...who gives a damn what down it was on?

That's really reaching...

 

well I would look at 3rd down metrics and compare that's valid

 

It's totally meaningless to compare such a small sample size.

 

Perhaps you could show us how it doesn't mean jack, by posting a list of QBs that have more INTs on 3rd down than TDs.

3rd down is the critical down, Tanne has a 72 rating on 3rd down for his career.

 

You should probably tell this guy:

 

Something to ponder folks, for all of you pointing fingers at players this season...and granted it may be comparing apples to oranges, but just consider it for a moment.

The United States has the FINEST military on the planet! We are the best equipped, best trained, most intelligent, most physically fit military on the planet. When we lose a battle or are attacked that results in unexpected and tragic casualties, do we point fingers at the "players" or do we look at the "coaching staff" and the "plays" and "schemes" that the "coordinators" are running?

Tannehill is proven. When you look at his numbers from last year, the man can produce. There's no doubt!
We have good receivers. You look at the totality of their career numbers and they can produce.
Suh is DEFINITELY proven...the man's a WRECKING machine

The problem hasn't been our "soldiers" in battle...it's been the "administration's' philosophy and appointed "generals" to execute said "battleplan"

Food for thought guys

 

lol.

 

The derper crowd continues to bash tannehill. Amazing. You would think after the article mentioned we have the 73rd and 79th guards in the NFL (only 32 teams) they would have moved on to another thread. That didn't even account for jason fox playing. They really are clueless when it comes to how the oline effects everything else

 

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Interesting to see the Packers and Chargers on that list, but then again....we are talking about Aaron Rodgers and Philip Rivers...both are top five QBS in my opinion.

 

Bottom 10. 6 of those QBs are having good years still....weird. The other 4 are Stafford, Tannehill, Kaepernick, and Bortles....nice.

 

And i would bet that individually the lions have slightly better players on their oline. They have more deep passes dialed up in their game plan which will lower efficiency. Our passes are out in 2 seconds. Think about it. 2 seconds and we cant even sustain blocks foe that long

 

The only team playing well out of those is green bay. And they have the consensus best QB in the league. I also think that 25 is a lot closer to 15 then it is to 32 in terms of grades