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Seahawks DE Bennett Rips Tannehill + 'Mediocre QB's', Contract

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  1. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    He's proven plenty.

    The problem in your & Bennett's logic, is that you are trying to have it both ways.

    You complain that it is a team sport, but then judge a QB on wins & losses as if he's the sole reason for them. You cannot have it both ways.
     
  2. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    I think he's decrying the fact that the NFL is becoming less of a team sport.

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  3. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    But then justifying it becoming less of a team sport by implying QBs are the cause of wins and losses.
     
  4. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    Yes, because the league is actively making it so. That's his complaint.

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  5. Fin D

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    No, his argument is the coddling and over payment of QBs. There si nothing in his rant about the league making QBs be the sole reason for wins and losses.
     
  6. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    The league is actively making the game easier for QBs. There really isn't any debate. Coddling is just a euphemism.

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  7. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    I don't judge completely on W/L's ..... however, the QB is the one position that has his hands on the ball the most. It's always been the position looked to as the field general. Stating it's a team sport is an oversimplification as certain positions effect the overall team more than others. Clearly there is no other with more impact than that of the QB. Why is it you think this franchise has floundered since 2000?
     
  8. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    RT is leagues better than 2012, a good bit better than 2013, but the record didn't improve in 2014...doesn't seem to fit that narrative.
     
  9. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    You're assessing this strictly from stats at a surface level. He's improved since his rookie year overall so not denying that. But enough to help elevate the team yet? What about important game situations?

    It's undeniable our lack of success for almost two decades now has largely been to inept QB play ...... and of course poor drafts.
     
  10. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Just saw that Tannehill and Bennett were teammates at Texas A&M. Reeks of jealousy. What a fool.
     
  11. VanDolPhan

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    This is a stupid argument purely because better defensive play during the past season and this team would be in the playoffs. The defense was the equivalent of Cleo Lemon down the stretch and failed to make necessary plays in big games where the offense did it's job.
     
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  12. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    If that guy wants to talk about over paid QBs he should start with Russell Wilson.


    Yeah I said it.
     
  13. Fin D

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    Again, you're trying to have it both ways. And yes pre Tannehill, our biggest problem was QB. Since Tannehill our biggest problems have been WRs, Oline & defense.
     
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  14. jdang307

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    In 3 crunch time games last year after a good performance against Denver, the offense scored 16, 13 and 13. Defense held in that first one, a win. Didn't hold in the last two. Was Tanny spectacular in those 3 games? Was he good?
     
  15. Fineas

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    Players are compensated for the non-guaranteed nature of their contracts in the form of signing bonuses. And its a two-way street in that the players can terminate their contracts too. They can quit, retire, play in the CFL or the Arena League or wherever else they want to play. Of course, nobody does that, unless they are suspended from the NFL like Ricky Williams when he signed with Toronto. So when you sign an NFL contract they player should fully expect to play it out as long as he wants to play in the NFL. He can threaten to hold out and live with the consequences, but doing so hurts his team, teammates and fans. Maybe when we start to see players who underperform their contracts returning the money to the team, or agreeing to purely incentive-based deals, I will feel more sympathetic to the player who threatens to hold out because he believes he is underpaid under his current contract. I'm not holding my breath for that.
     
  16. resnor

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    He was bad against NE. Against Baltimore, I don't remember. ..although, going purely off stats, Tannehill played well, with like a 98 rating. I don't recall how other parts of the team played, though.

    Although, even in the Pat's game, he threw for almost 400 yards...just couldn't seem to get tds. Don't really remember if he had any egregious drops that game or not.
     
  17. btfu149

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    I believe there were 2 badly dropped deep ball TD's one to Damien Williams I can't remember who the other was intended for.
     
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  18. jdang307

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    That was against Minny. Against NE it was 346, but 1/2 TD/INT. Against Balt, he had a good rating but the offense only scored 3 points in the final 3 quarters. Sacks were an issue. I haven't rewatched but one analyst said Balt started sitting on the short routes and that baffled the offense.
     
  19. Finster

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    In the Balt game Tanne missed a wide open Wallace in the EZ from the 11 yard line, if he had connected on that extremely easy pass, we would have actually taken the lead in the 4th quarter of that game, instead we came away still trailing by 1, after driving downfield, and getting the opportunity for an easy TD and not getting it, the team just kind of fell apart after that, a look at the sidelines after that play tells you everything you need to know, jubilation on the Ravens side, heads hanging on the Fins side.

    You cannot let opportunities like that slip through your fingers.
     
  20. Tin Indian

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    Bennet. Yeah, whatever.
     
  21. resnor

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    I was taking about NE...346 is pretty close to 400. Bad ratio, but, like I said, I don't remember what happened...I thought he may have had some bad breaks, and btfu remembers that as well. Looking at purely stats, you might say he didn't do enough. But, if he had two dropped tds, that's not on him.
     
  22. Fin D

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    That's not his argument, that's your argument.
     
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  23. Stringer Bell

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    It's not an argument. It's a widely acknowledged fact. Like the sky being blue.

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  24. Fin D

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    I don't care what you say is or is not fact.

    This thread is about a given player's opinion. His opinion is not the opinion you are putting forward. You are changing the topic and you are doing it in a way that is every bit as annoying as the things you don't like and complain about.
     
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  25. Stringer Bell

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    Of course you don't care. You will continue to trash this forum like you regularly do.

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  26. resnor

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    But Bennett said this:
    So, he's complaining that mediocre QBs, which he claims Tannehill is, are getting paid more than him.
     
  27. Stringer Bell

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    To address what Bennett said:

    "Then quarterbacks get protected more than any other player," Bennett said.

    It is very clear he is criticizing the current rule changes.



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  28. DolphinGreg

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    The upside of being a franchise QB is obvious--you earn more money than anyone else.

    The downside is that if you come into the league and look mediocre for even a few seasons, you may never get another shot to be a full-fledged starter again and you production is more heavily dependent on all the other players than anyone else on the field. So with high risk comes high reward.

    At really any other position a player can float around the league and slowly develop. QBs really don't have that luxury. Very rarely does a QB get the necessary snaps in practice to actually receive a legitimate 2nd or 3rd chance to emerge as a franchise QB.

    If you don't happen to land in a good spot and slay the dragon on your first go-round as a QB, you're probably done....not necessarily out of the league...just not getting rich.
     
  29. Fin D

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    lol. Like taking this off topic to promote your own topic is somehow good for the forum?

    Keep telling yourself whatever you need to.
     
  30. Stringer Bell

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    Right, and that's because the league has changed the rules, which he decries here:

    "Then quarterbacks get protected more than any other player," Bennett said.

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  31. Fin D

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    Yeah, that one line means more than the entire rest of his argument. Sigh.
     
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  32. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    That had nothing to do with the pay.
     
  33. Stringer Bell

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    I took your personal attack off topic. Guilty as charged. Everyone here knows what's going on.

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  34. Stringer Bell

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    It absolutely does. Why else are QBs worth more now than they were previously, and DEs less?

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  35. resnor

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    Actually, that was a different part of the rant. He complained that mediocre QBS are getting paid more then him. Then he said "Then..." and continued to rant about how unfair it is that QBS get special treatment in regards to the hits they take, as compared to hits he takes. The whole thing is a pity party for poor Michael Bennett.
     
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  36. Stringer Bell

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    The rules being changed to accommodate QBs inherently cannot be mutually exclusive from the value of QBs.

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  37. resnor

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    It was inherently exclusive in his rant. He didn't say that they were overpaid due to rules changes. He said they were overpaid. He then complained that in addition to begin overpaid, they get treated differently.

    Agree to disagree, I guess.
     
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  38. Colorado Dolfan

    Colorado Dolfan ...dirty drownin' man?

    Hyde
     
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  39. djphinfan

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    I dont believe that to be true at all..
     
  40. Fin-Omenal

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    Yea I'm with ya brother...people who go off topic to promote their own just have no place on this site. :wink2:
     
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