NFL,Directv facing another lawsuit over Sunday Ticket

That actually makes it more silly to shop that long, imo. The dealer cost and sticker price are there for every new vehicle online, so you know exactly what the dealer's profit is right away. Again, nothing wrong if you want to pay sticker price if that's what you choose to do. Unless it is a very expensive vehicle there really isn't that much markup on new vehicles. I'm not sure how you paid for it (cash or finance), but before I even went in to look at the car I would have checked with my bank/credit union to see what interest rate they could offer me before I just took whatever rate their Finance Manager was pitching me.

 

Every invoice to every single new vehicle is at the tip of your fingertips, down the penny...

EDIT: Regarding the part of your post I bolded. That is true. But, only if you don't know how to read an invoice. The dealer get's what is called "Holdback" which is a certain amount of money the dealer will get from the manufacturer (GM, Ford, Chrysler, etc.) when he sells the vehicle. The higher the price of the vehicle the more holdback the dealer will get paid. But if you can read an invoice (or do minimal research on it) it even shows that in black and white down to the penny as well. There are no secrets when you purchase a new car anymore.

The only thing that would vary is if you are trading your current vehicle. How much they give for yours can vary from dealer to dealer (sometimes by a lot). If they already have a buyer waiting to get a vehicle just like yours on their lot (this happens frequently, btw), they would probably be inclined to give you more for your trade than another dealer that does not have a buyer lined up at that time.

 

He said it makes him more uncomfortable than almost anything else he can think of. You think that's true of the women you're speaking of?

 

FYI, women control 70% of all funds in the USA. They have for decades. It may be the man yelling and cursing throughout the car deal while the wife sits by quietly, but when they ask for a few minutes alone to discuss in private 7/10 times it's the wife's final decision. Don't be fooled.

 

Why does it make me uncomfortable?

Firstly, its so uncomfortable that I cannot imagine how it doesn't bug everyone else out too, even if I know that it doesn't.

Secondly, as a matter of fairness and equity, I strongly feel that every person should get the same price on an equal purchase. That the same car could be sold to one person hundreds, or even thousands of dollars more than another is sickening to me. Enraging.

Third, I hate fighting about anything. Really hate it. I will, and do, avoid it at all costs whenever possible.

 

Look Out for Dealer “Holdback” When Negotiating a New Car

http://twocents.lifehacker.com/look-out-for-dealer-holdback-when-negotiating-a-new-c-1601200079

 

Holdback is listed in the invoice? Didn't know that. Either way, paying anything NEAR sticker is insanity for a product that has haggling built in. I bought my 2013 Daytona Blue Charger (brand new...first one in Texas) for 32.5k...sticker was over 40.

 

If you do a little bit of research and homework when you purchase a new vehicle you wouldn't really have to negotiate much, if at all. Look at the true dealer's cost (from the invoice online) and and calculate the difference from the window sticker and come to your own conclusion to what you feel is a fair profit for the dealer to make on that car. They are new vehicles so all dealers have the same cost. Call around and find a dealer that will accept your price you will pay just like you did with the whole Kelley Blue Book thing.

If you don't want to do that, no problem. But, you shouldn't be angry with others for doing their homework and wanting to save money.

 

Yep. Holdback is on every invoice. A lot of dealer's won't show you the "True" invoice that they get from the manufacturer. They have a different invoice that doesn't show that that they would present you with if you ask to see it. But, it most certainly is available online for you to see. Personally, I wouldn't ask to see what they are making in holdback, unless they try to tell me they aren't making any money on the deal. Then I might bring up the fact that they will still get the holdback and leave it there. I think car dealers SHOULD make a profit when they sell a car. I mean, I know I wouldn't go to work for free. Would you? But, I certainly won't let them rape me on the deal either.

EDIT: On the bolded part, there must have been some serious rebates going on at the time you purchased your car. There is not nearly $7500 markup on those cars. Probably about half that.

 

With each of my last two cars, I've bought it at the very end of the year cycle, where the dealer was moving the "old" new ones out and replacing them with the new model year. If you can believe the sticker and what it says about the dealer cost (which I'm not confidant that you can), I got both of them slightly below the original cost, even before you take the trade in into account. I've learned that if you are willing to wait long enough, and buy at just the right time, the prices do creep lower gradually.

 

If you buy about right now going into fall there are HUGE rebates on all current year model new vehicles, because the 2016 models usually come to the lot late fall and the dealers and manufacturers want to move the 2015's. This is the same every year.

You can't tell anything about the dealer's cost from the window sticker. You have to look at an invoice to see that.

I've been in the auto industry off and on (mostly on) for over 23 years. I've probably forgotten more than most people will ever know. LOL


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Ha I caught a few nice breaks with the timing...I'll never do it different.

I agree...they should make money on 'me...just like any business...I just won't be responsible for them making a killing

 

Are you a car salesman Cash? You seem to know how to get the best deal....I had a friend who was a finance manager as well as sold extended warranties at several area dealerships and that is what he told me...He said that dealerships are all so close to selling at cost if need be because of the internet and competition and he said that they make their money now on the kickback from the interest rates that they can get you for as well as a HUGE mark up in extended warranties..which I always buy online and save thousands..

 

Yeah, the warranties really are a cash cow for them. Also, NEVER buy your gap insurance from the dealership. Gap insurance will cost you like $25 a year through your regular car insurance.

 

I've been either in the auto industry or financing autos for the most part of 23 years now. I've been a car salesman and Finance Manager for the largest Auto Dealer in the valley. For 2 dealerships owned by the same man. A Chevy lot and a Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep lot. I did all of the financing for both for years.

As for the Extended Warranties, what price you get depends largely on how well you can negotiate. There is a markup on extended warranties and the Finance Manager will try to make money on it just like the car salesman will try to make money on the vehicle you purchase. There is some wiggle room on warranties just like there are on the autos, and as long as he/she makes even a small profit on it the Finance Manager would gladly give you a discount on it if you ask them to. I have no idea who's is selling extended warranties for on the internet, how much they cost, or what is in the "fine print" on the contract. I do know that most people would rather have their vehicles serviced at their local dealership and I would make sure they allow for that if/when you have a problem. But, if they are legitimate and you can still save money buying them online then go for it!

 

That's why "Unlucky"

 

Thank you for the link, Humidity. More info is always good, as is getting back on topic.

However, my fears remain. If DirecTV loses exclusivity, I fear that they will stop having the package alltogether.

 

One man's positive is another's negative. I don't want to be Chicken Little and cry that the sky is falling, but as someone who will continue to be a DirecTV subscriber as far as I can see into the future, its worrying.

 

This is 2015... DirectTV was cool and all a decade ago.. NBA has their league pass online stream and MLB has their online stream too. End The DirectTV monopoly and give fans their streams.

 

I really disagree with the streaming thing. I don't want it. I almost never use a computer at home (don't even have an actual working computer at my house), and I don't ever hook a laptop up to stream to my tv. I have directv as my television, and like the convenience of having the Sunday Ticket right through Directv. If another carrier wanted to, they could have outbid Directv for the rights. The problem with a cable company having it, is what if you can't get that company at your house. For instance, where I live, I can't get Comcast , only Time Warner. I also don't have access to ATT Uverse. My only options are DirecTv, Dish, or Time Warner. I've also not had good experiences streaming the Sunday Ticket, it usually doesn't stream well the first three or four weeks of the season...perhaps that would be different with an official NFL stream, but I can't imagine the stream would be as good as the Sunday Ticket live broadcast that I get.

 

Resnor, I agree about streaming. Last year, I watched the Fins/Vikings game on m laptop (through Sunday ticket) at my parents house. They have really fast cable internet, and I have a good PC, but the picture quality (even on just a 17" screen) was lousy, and the feed was really choppy. Wasn't a fun way to watch the game. I'll take crystal clear on my 60" HDTV, thanks.

 

I think it's all about options. I use the Sunday ticket for my viewing on Sundays on a 55" TV. But I also use Game Rewind on my computer to watch games on other days. I have a 27" monitor that has better resolution than my 55" TV for that purpose. I could hook it to my TV and watch those other days on the TV as well, but I rarely do b/c the picture on my monitor is so good. I really only do it if others are watching with me since there's more seating around the TV.

 

Well stream is just one option, league pass has their own channels for most cable providers and the streaming option. I cant wait for that to happen.

 

Yep. My work is officially done here.