"" Mike Wallace BETTER stay in Miami, that's my guy." Guess who?

Tannehill had a 62 rating when throwing on 3rd down and 6+ yards to go. Does that mean all of the receivers he threw to in that situation were bad?

My point is that we don't know what this "QB rating when throwing to a receiver" statistic really means.

 

The results weren't bad in terms of Wallace's production in that area, but the YAC weren't there to warrant paying him what the team does with this offense and with this quarterback, and I think it's become apparent that YAC are what's going to get Ryan Tannehill's YPA up where it needs to be for the team to be competitive.

 

Doug Baldwin is on NFL Network telling why he thinks he is as good as the Calvins and Antonio Browns of the league...using "facts" like catch percentage relative to targets....

This guy needs to sign up for fan message boards, because he is attempting to use a single stat to make us believe he is on that level.

 

How many opportunities did he have to gain RAC? Many of his routes were comebacks and outs, his best chance for RAC is on the deep balls that are normally thrown either too short for RAC or not even catchable.

 

Keep Wallace and cut him next year if the situation doesn't improve. This year, save money by cutting the overpaid Brian Hartline and Brandon Gibson. Draft Jaelan Strong early and Rashad Greene later in the draft.

 

9 minutes of RAC, solid catch radius, and balls in traffic....enjoy

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k56aIsZ3hOo

 

Surely you don't think a lack of opportunities explains his 75th ranking in the league in that area?

 

Absolutely his circumstances matter, as it does for every WR in football.

I provided a video that showed his ability in regards to RAC, he doesn't run many of those crossing patterns here in Miami for whatever reason. And the deep ball....well we already know that's an issue

 

I didn't ask "if circumstances matter." Obviously that point is reasonable. I'm asking whether you think a league ranking as poor as 75th in that area is explained by a lack of opportunities.

 

I haven't really examined the stat you provided. I do know that saying Wallace is a terrible RAC WR is inaccurate imo...I even showed some of the routes he flourished with RAC. If he played in NE he would have outstanding RAC, it's not an inability as much as it is just isn't an emphasis in Miami. Atleast for 11.

 

:15 - almost drops a hands catch, defenders play a part, though
:23 - again bobbles a hands catch (ball was behind him)
1:22 - has to wait for a ball that is underthrown by Rapistberger
1:32 - great catch, goes up for a ball with a defender there
2:04 - fairly easy catch for a td...I'd hope he wouldn't drop that (of course it's against Miami)

Video is so blurry on many, that I can't bear to watch it all. What I saw through the first almost two minutes isn't showing any sort of great catch radius, and it could be argued, that his first year in Miami, he certainly didn't display the stuff you see in that video. This season, he did better at fighting for balls. He still presents a small catch radius, which is why I think that Tannehill and him haven't really connected on those deep balls, coming directly over top of him. It's absolutely criminal that we didn't run deep crosses or deep posts/corner routes to try to get deep balls out in front where he could easily track and adjust to them. Just kept throwing him deep balls on streaks.

 

I think Wallace would display much better RAC if we had a legit receiver opposite him, not Hartline/Gibson. Whether that is a receiver in the #2 spot with Wallace the #1, or different receiver at #1 and Wallace at #2, I think he would come open on some shorter crossing routes, allowing for the big RAC plays that you see alot of in that video.

 

The Dolphins did run those plays, but in contrast to Pittsburgh circa 2009-2011, the Dolphins are running a timing passing offense, and so a guy who doesn't look open until he gets way up at the top of that route isn't going to be thrown to as often. If the instruction to Tannehill was "dance around back there until you see Wallace get open deep," great, no problem, but when the instruction instead is, "if Wallace doesn't appear that he's going to be open within X amount of time, then move on to your next read," then we have a problem.

Again, this is an issue when a guy is all speed and no route-running. He doesn't appear open as early in the route.

 

There's actually quite a few deep balls in that video where Wallace has to slow up and wait for the ball to get there...it's not like Ben was always putting the ball out in front for Wallace to run under...

 

He displayed a lot in the Carolina game, also displayed some RAC when given a chance vs INDY and NY.

 

Not at all.

 

Are you disputing that there are no balls in that video where Wallace had to slow up?? If so, I question whether or not you watched it. Although, perhaps I should have said "He has to slow up to allow the ball to get there" instead of saying "wait" for it.

 

I meant that as to agree with your final sentence in the quoted post.

 

First Marshall... Now wallace.

I'm beginning to think the issue is not the WR but the guy throwing to him.

Marshall has done fine before and after here. Wallace did fine before here, and will after here.

 

Brandon Marshall didn't do signficantly more poorly in Miami than he has at any other point in his career, and Mike Wallace hasn't done any worse in Miami than he did in his final year in Pittsburgh.

 

It's pretty cut and dried as far as I'm concerned.

 

I have not seen even one single person advocate for keeping Ellerbe. If there is a player who looks like 100% certain to be cut before anyone else, it is him.

 

What does it mean, then?

 

I doubt that

 

Why?

 

His numbers suffered immensely, for him anyways.

 

You are correct. Both of their #'s went down.

Now we run the WR out of town instead of the QB.

It's funny how these guys thrive outside of our team.

 

Wait, I didn't know Tannehill was throwing to Marshall!!

Wait, I didn't realize that Wallace didn't drop any deep balls for TDs...and I didn't realize that the oline rarely was able to block long enough for Tannehill to actually step into throws downfield!! I didn't realize that Wallace's numbers were ascending every year he was in Pitt (Wait, THEY WEREN'T!!)! I didn't realize that Wallace tied his career high for TDs!!

Oh, I realize that everything is always the QBs fault. I also realize that there are numerous options out there, better than Tannehill, just waiting for us to pluck them up!!

 

Neither Wallace nor Marshall's numbers went down on a per-target basis during their tenure with the Dolphins, for Wallace when compared to his final year in Pittsburgh.

When a receiver is targeted fewer times, his numbers are likely to decrease.

 

Lol

 

In fairness, Wallace's YPC has gone down...although it was declining yearly in Pitt, also, after 2010. It went up slightly this past season from where it was his first year in Miami. Marshall's YPC was fine, even almost posting a career high YPC his second season in Miami.

 

I hope you realize I'm not trying to blame Wallace for all the offensive woes. But, when some posts are so blatantly one-sided, sometimes I can't help but post a ridiculous, one-sided post from the opposite side.

 

That's the one stat you dug up to try to prove this ridiculous point? Marshall was a much better WR in Denver and Chicago for whatever reason.

 

As evidenced by what?

 

Just a humerous rant, I didn't see any blaming Ryan the last couple pages. Ofcourse I may have missed it

 

Common sense, and the watching of football games.

 

Ah, OK. Well now that you've retreated to an unfalsifiable position, I suppose we'll have to stop the conversation, since no one can refute your viewpoint because it is exclusive to only you.

 

uh..what? by his numbers. what else?

 

What numbers are you seeing that are any different for Marshall in Miami on a per-target basis? Or do you consider a reduction in the number of targets to be meaningless in terms of production as measured by numbers?

 

Fiedler is better than Marino, disagree? Say why?

Pointless ehhh