Merged: Ahahaha. Once a cheat, always a cheat / DeflateGate

What were the Colts numbers pre-game and at halftime?

 

People who reach like this are why fine print exists. Common sense is not common.

 

The Colts numbers were legal and the Pats were not. That's all that matters.

 

And again, if they were purposely creating a 90+ degree room it was for the purpose of deflating the footballs. Still cheating.

 

Probably the league-mandated pressure. But you're gonna have to really dig and write the league to get to the bottom of this conspiracy.

 

Peyton Manning was also a driving force behind it, he and Ruin circulated a petition about it to other quarterbacks.

 

12/12 vs. 1/12

We have people pounding the table for 1/12 to be given a passing grade.

Of course.

 

I can't use Occam's Razor because I'm not allowed to handle sharp things.

 

So? Brady was "the driving force". If other QB's also chimed in good for them. However, do you see any other QB being accused of cheating?

 

Sure. I'd like to know if there was deviation in there numbers.

It would certainly be circumventing the rule...but with no rule against inflating in a heated room, is it cheating? It's not good sportsmanship.

Again, I'd just like to know the Colts numbers, and whether or not there's showed deviation. If the Colts balls were inflated to 13.5psi, they could have deflated and still been within the guidelines.

I'm just not big on witchhunts with little known information. Nice to see everyone is interested in facts here.

 

Aaron Rodgers, Brad Johnson, and Carolina have all been specifically linked in various articles.

 

It's not the NFL's job to split the hair that separates "cheating" from "bad sportsmanship" as you are doing, Res. Goodell is judge, jury, and executioner, and the rule is clear. Remember, the league threatened to eject Marshawn Lynch from the NFC Championship game if he came out with gold shoes, which is a minor equipment violation worthy of a fine according to the letter of the law.

 

Aaron Rodgers disagrees with you about Brady getting the rule changed...

 

Is it cheating? Yes.. because if you're pumping up footballs in a 90 degree room, you're doing it because you know the consequences of such when bringing them out into colder temperatures. The intent is what we're talking about here. If you're doing it in a hot room, that's just simply not normal. That's common sense. (Although I'm sure in your pursuit to rid the Patriot's of blame here, you'll say it's maybe an accident as to why they used a 90 degree room, just because they do, or maybe their equipment manager prefers a warm room.) Common sense would tell you that you're doing it in a hot room, because of the advantage it will give you when they go outside into the cold which will lead them to deflate, as you're QB likes them. So... the intent is there, so yes. It's cheating. It's putting the air pressure of the ball under the limits as stated in the rules. I\m not sure why you're still arguing this stuff.

 

So then, is it your belief that a team should over-inflate balls if they know that the weather is going to be in the single digits during a game to prevent them from deflating below the legal limit? Or should they inflated them in a freezer to ensure that they don't deflate outside?

 

This is why I have a huge dislike for Goodell.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/23/did-the-enforcer-miss-chance-to-avoid-deflategate/

This doesn't excuse cheating if any, but I hope the Superbowl is a huge clusterfrack, because Goodell deserves it.

 

I've already stated that Peyton had a hand in it. However, and this is not my opinion to be disagreed with, Brady spearheaded the rule change.

 

Ok. I guess it depends on which player you ask. Rodgers says it was Peyton. Of course, it makes for better theater if we attribute it to Brady, since we want so badly to catch Brady letting air out of balls, but since we can't find that, we have to make tenuous jumps to conclusions.

 

Goddell is a complete ******* of a commissioner.


But are you suggesting he handle this behind the closed doors with Pats ownership/management, so that no one suggest their past success was attained under shady circumstances?

 

From what I'm reading 1 was 2lbs too low, but the other 10 were closer to 1lb too low.

Either way, I really really want to know what happened. Bill B basically gave Goodell and the league the middle finger. He knows something, and he knows they are never going to find anything, for him to go up and lay his arse on the line like that.

 

No. You just don't understand. If my equipment room is 72 degrees all year long and then on game day I bump that room to 90+ degrees while I inflate footballs that's cheating. If I don't change the temp of that room and my footballs deflate or inflate more over the course of the game due to temp fluctuations that is not cheating. In fact, during all my years of watching football and even playing football in the extreme cold, I've never seen nor heard of any footballs changing drastically during the game. I've left footballs outside overnight in the cold and they became deflated, but not in the span of an hour. Especially in 50 degree weather.

 

It was a 50 degree day and there was a mild to moderate drop in air pressure. There wasn't a hurricane, and the temperature didn't drop 40 degrees. These footballs were almost 20% below the standard. We're not talking about some minute deviation here.

It's my belief that you're being obtuse intentionally, in order to defend the Patriots. That's okay. We all have our reasons.

Maybe the Colts overinflated their footballs to get them to fall within the range that is acceptable. If so, I suppose this makes them the real cheaters from a certain point of view.

 

I read that all were close to 2 lbs low

 

So, for so long, all we've heard is that Goodell favors the Pats, and is in bed with Kraft...if that were true, why would he try and run a sting operation on the Pats?

 

Why are you changing the subject? You're a closet Pats fan arent you? lol

 

So just trying to make this as simple for myself to understand..

We know that Brady likes the ball to be at the lowest denominator of the rule, which is 12.5..obviously after massaging and rubbing the balls down in all likelihood it brings the balls down under that 12.5 rule..so what their saying is, they played by the rules, their balls were inflated to 12.5, which is legal, what the rule doesn't account for is how much drop in pressure prepping the balls accounts for, and therein lies the grey..

I would think because the colts footballs were still legal after prepping was because their starting point was more than 12.5


My conclusion..Brady probably knows the prepping brings him under the league minimum, but in essence he did not break the rule..that's why they can stand and say what their saying.

 

Was it 50 during game time? I can't imagine that it was, after the sun went down.

I'm trying to make a point. I don't mind people calling for heads if there's actual evidence of tampering. But, if they inflated balls in a heated room, that, to me, is different. Like I said, if your playing in Green Bay in December, and it's going to be 5 degrees at game time, should you have to inflate the balls in a freezer? If you don't, the balls are going to deflate...

 

Nope, just struck me when that other thing was posted.

 

They only way to prevent this is to take all control of the balls away from the team, and have the NFL run the balls for each game. That is what I'm getting at. People will take any advantage they can get. If there is no rule against inflating in a heated room, then it's no more cheating to do that, than it is to inflate the ball in a 72 degree room, and trot them out for a 5 degree game at Lambeau.

 

Ah-hah! So you admit the Colts are the real cheaters here.

No more questions. The defense rests.


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Maybe he knew this was going to get out anyway and didn't want to get embarrassed after the Super Bowl. Maybe he changed his mind. It seems like you're trying to hold humans to some perfect theoretical standard. For example, Belichick must be lying about 100% of the things he says if I think he has a problem with lying.

Or maybe the perception is that Goodell gave the Patriots a huge break with Spygate by destroying the evidence. This doesn't mean anything and everything he does is for the Patriots' benefit, although I could see someone looking for a "gotcha" might demand that.

The NFL is in the business of public perception. They're likely waiting for this to blow over. If the perception lingers that the integrity of the game has been compromised, this might force Goodell to take action against the Patriots, regardless of his personal preference, which is irrelevant.

 

Not so sure. Pretty sure he was just as arrogant and cocky before found guilty in spy gate.

 

I just find it interesting how people decide what BB is lying about, based on what they believe occurred.

 

I'm getting the same sense. You know for a fact he tested the shiznit out of it and came to that conclusion.

I'm still tripping on Goodell and the NFL running a sting operation on the AFC Championship Game. They've thrown into question the integrity of that game AND the superbowl, the biggest TV event of the year. And without any evidence. I'm almost positive they wont' find anything because Brady and BB both speak as if they know with certainty there is no evidence of cheating.

So the NFL ran 21 jumpstreet on the AFCCG and failed. Goodell has not had a good couple of years.

 

Yes he was. But to go up there yesterday and challenge the NFL like that? He's not stupid.

 

Part of me loves the fact that the NFL set the Patriots up for a sting. Because it leads me to believe Goodell is looking to come down hard. The other part definitely agrees with you, that's not how you handle things if you want to prevent controversy and protect the integrity of the game.

 

Agreed. I don't care for all 3 parties in this super bowl. The Seahawks, the Patriots, and Goodell. Lol.

My money is on the NFL looking really stupid at the end of this, and the Patriots being absolved unfortunately. BB and TB are both very very smart. They've got the league by the balls on this one, pun intended.

 

I think we all need to put ourselves in a qbs position, if I like my footballs soft, then I'm going to make sure im at the lowest number the rule allows, and there is nothing wrong with that, after prepping the balls it goes down some then so be it baby, then that ain't on me that's on the league and the rule itself..

Case closed imo , they did not purposely deflate the balls.

 

Doesn't help the Patriots hired this guy to rub the footballs.