I'm out on Tannehill

Nobody can know for sure. For all I know, you could be right. For all I know, you could be wrong. And for all we know, Tannehill could end up being horrible or an All-Pro.

Most of the "Tannehill homers" know that RT's not on the level he should be. Just most of them (myself included) take issue when someone says Tannehill is not going to be better or is garbage because A, B, and C without considering D-Z, know what I mean?

 

Better coached.

 

I guess literally it's arguable, but not likely. I feel comfortable making that claim with three years evidence to go by. But you are right, anything in life is possible.

 

Chances are slim to none. You can make the same argument and say Lamar Miller might be as good as Adrian Peterson someday but you would only be lying to yourself. Some people do this to make themselves feel better about players, other people live in reality. I'm with the latter group.

I think RT17 can/is a good QB in this league, I dont think he will ever be in same category as AL12 or RW3.

 

This kid most likely got banned from FH. I blocked him as soon as I saw his name. I knew he was nothing but a troll.

I suggest you do the same, you are wasting your time.

 

Must win for post season is must win. You're justifying cherry picking. Baltimore, New England, and Minnesota all count. But, even if you just want to talk about Baltimore, he played well enough to win. Points are a team stat. If you just want to talk stats, look at his stats. And, that's under the pressure he was all game.

 

I'm certainly not singling anyone out here. But I don't understand the need or desire to detract from guys like Russel Wilson and Andrew Luck in order to prop up our guy.

Both of those guys by 2018 will be the 2 of the 3 best QBs in the NFL. Andrew Luck is already a top 5 QB.

Saying Ryan Tannehill can and will be good but not as good as those two is no insult at all. Heck, if Tannehill can elevate his game to be in that 5th to 10th best QB in the league then we're legit playoff contenders on a yearly basis. Especially with Peyton leaving, Brady aging, Roethlisberger and Rivers breaking down, and seemingly no other up and comers in the AFC.

 

I think the issue there is the fantasy that those QBs would be doing poorer on the Dolphins, while Tannehill would be doing better on their teams. If you can believe that, then you can believe Tannehill is only "X" away from being as good as those QBs, and "X" has nothing to do with Tannehill himself, but rather with what's going on around him.

And I call that a "fantasy" because there isn't a single person on earth, including myself, who can confirm or refute it. It's a completely unfalsifiable belief, and sometimes it's more comfortable to believe something that's unfalsifiable than it is to believe something that can be falsified or refuted.

 

One can believe that Tannehill is not as good as those QBs, while also believing that those QBs wouldn't be doing as well in Miami as they have on their current teams. It's a fantasy to think that the surrounding talent doesn't make a huge difference in points scored/given up, and wins/losses.

 

I do not believe that RT would have won a SB on any of the teams that have won it since maybe the 2003 Bucs. Rex Grossman was the last average Qb to even play in the SB and that was in 2007.

 

Wallace had 10 TD's and some are saying he sucks, not me for the record.

 

Its not based on anything tangible though, especially in regards to Luck. Their numbers are similar when you match up total starts (college and pro).

Like I said earlier, Tannehill this year outplayed Luck last year, which is when their total starts are similar. Luck is the second coming but our fans just are not sure on Tannehill yet.

It. Makes. No. Damn. Sense.

 

Comparing stats from this season to past seasons is a little misleading IMO.

 

No it really isn't.

It would be if I didn't make the distinction or if I was going back to a different era.

There were no unique challenges that were specific to last year. And again, by doing that we're getting closer to Tannehill and Luck having an equal amount of starts between college and the pros.

 

There were rule changes that had a significant impact on the game this year.

 

Such as?

 

Must win was Bills or Jets in 2013, both games were lost with 7 combined points put on the board... 2014 was Ravens or Patriots as must wins, both were lost and Miami offense put up 13 points (unacceptable) in each game. The Vikings game had little to do with us getting into the playoffs as it was already out of our control at that point and there was very little chance we would of made it in even if we beat the terrible Jets in week 17. I'm talking about the playoff format games, your talking about games that really had no meaning relating to playoffs.

 

I think Tannehill has played well enough and is easily our best QB since Marino, but Luck is in a class of his own. Had he had a stronger finish to the season he most likely would have been in the running for MVP, and through the first couple of weeks of the playoffs he's making throws that Ryan simply hasn't been able to make up to this point. Not disagreeing with your general sentiment, just that Luck is farther along in his NFL career at this point (and he should be). I'm okay with Tannehill being the #2 QB out of that draft class, because Luck is well on his way to being very very good.

 

Of course he's farther along at this point this year.

My point was and is, when you compare them with closer to the same amount of total starts, Tannehill is every bit as good as Luck in the major stats. That's why I took Tannehill's stats this year and compared them to Luck's stats last year. Luck has simply had more starts at QB between college and the pros.

 

Crackdown on illegal contact.

QBR jumped across the board this year, didn't it?

 

Up 3 points on average in the league.

 

Ok.

2013 Luck = 87 QBr
2014 Tannehill - 93 QBr

It still tracks just fine with what I'm saying. Tannehill's 2014 was every bit as good as Luck's 2013 which is relevant because comparing them that way is comparing similar amount of starts. Even if you want to factor in the 3 pt jump in QBr.

 

They aren't fooling anything. Those aren't crazy stats I'm talking, those are straight up results, TDs, Ints, etc.

The problem is you forget the eyes are powered by the human brain. Stats can lie, but so does the brain working the eyes. Neither are perfect, but it is FACT that Tannehill is getting the similar results to Luck.

 

The "result" of the playoffs sure would be nice.

 

It'll be interesting to see if Tannehill can keep pace with Luck in the way "Fin D" is illustrating, because the primary way in which Luck improved his game in 2014 was by going, in the deep passing game (20+ yards in the air), from 10.5% of his attempts, of which he completed 36.7% in 2013, to 14.3% of his attempts, of which he completed 47.7% in 2014. That was what primarily made his overall YPA jump from 6.7 in 2013, to 7.7 in 2014. If Ryan Tannehill can pull that sort of thing off in 2015, we'll be talking about an entirely different animal out there.

 

And yet again, we get to the point where other units on the team affect wins, thereby affecting getting to the playoffs. If the defense had played average in the second half of games, we'd have made the playoffs, and another argument against Tannehill wouldn't exist.

 

Talk to the defense

 

I did. They said the we are ranked exactly one spot behind the Colt's defense in total defense, and they gave up 23.1 pts a game, and we gave up 23.3 pts a game. So talk to the offense

 

AFC South

 

The Bills have a better record than us ... It's not like we went 11-5 and missed the playoffs now

 

Enjoy the Championship games tomorrow, each game will feature a 2012 draft class QB that does a ton for their team. And neither of em is RT17 (who hasn't sniffed the playoffs yet).

P.S. The whole "cuz AL12 plays in the AFC South" arguments are over, he's proved this year it doesn't matter as he is the main reason why his team is a top 2 team in the AFC. Have you forgotten? He plays tomorrow in the AFC Championship game and no QB has helped their team more then AL12, he has carried that team all year. I will keep reminding you.

 

lol

 

How exactly does that prove your point and not his?

 

Another factor in Andrew Luck's improvement: http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/201...ws-indianapolis-colts-ask-quarterback-do-more

 

THAT is not all on Tannehill, keep in mind the Defense has had epic epic collapses the last two yrs in December.

And toss in the AFC South is a far far easier division than the AFCE, Jax and Titans are pretty much basket cases

add in our ST is wildly inconsistent, Sturgis, the coverage units, as much as I like Rizzi, they lose as many games as they win for us.

 

1) The defense had an epic collapse this year but not 2013, it was our anemic offense that put up 0 and 7 to end the season, there is no defense that can hold up when the offense puts them in that climate. Basically your saying in 2013 our D was supposed to hold the other teams offenses to -1 and 6 in back to back weeks to end the season, which is ludicrous. Our offense failed us in 2013 and against BAL and NE this year (granted the D gets no breaks giving up 41 to NE, but giving up 24 to BAL was beatable, especially given how roughed up their secondary was.)

2) I already said the AFC South argument is thrown out the window. Have you forgotten that the Colts play today because they are 1 of the 2 best teams in whole AFC? Luck carried that team this whole season and he should feel further vindicated considering some fans throw the "you play in weak AFC South" argument, he just proved none of that mattered as he beat a good team out of the AFC North and division winner/projected AFC Champs Denver Broncos. He'll continue this tear today beating NE IN Foxboro, put your money on it. Luck has a certain attitude every team should want out of their QB. NE will lead BIG early in the game but IND (Luck) is a resilient team and will come out on top.

3) Sturgis sucks, we all know that.

 

Andrew Luck was taken #1 overall and deemed a rare can't miss franchise QB before he even played a snap in the NFL. We didn't pass on him. We didn't take RT over him. I don't see why we have to keep beating a dead horse comparing Tannehill to Luck.

If you want to make a point, use the Russell Wilson comparison and run with it. What a steal he was and most teams in the league regret passing on that guy. He's the entire package. Most teams passed on him twice.

RT is the best QB we've had since Marino which I know isn't saying much. Give him a #1 WR and then complain when he doesn't get it done.

 

I couldn't have said it any better..Just do not get the joy some Dolphin fans get over this...Really sad. Luck was #1 for a reason and Wilson was passed over by many. So people take this oppurtunity to take a shot at RT?!! Not only do they take their shot, they revel in it! Sorry RT is not a top 5 QB...Guess he sucks and its time to move on. The older I get, the LESS suprised I am when I read things like this.