Tannenbaum says Dolphins will make responsible decision on Wallace

LMAO great post.

 

Agreed. Jerry was solid but our staff favors the lighter, quicker OL.

 

I think they need a virtually complete overhaul at the wide receiver position. If Ryan Tannehill is going to be your QB in this sort of offense, your receivers need to be short area guys who are elusive and can get substantial yards after the catch. Neither Hartline nor Wallace fit that bill. If you're going to go out there and throw the ball as much as the Dolphins do, and as short as the Dolphins do, the guys catching the ball better be playmakers after the catch.

 

Watching Luck and he has thrown 2 ill advised picks. That is something Tannehill rarely does. He doesn't just chuck it up and pray.

 

YES. He's as mature and responsible as a young man can be who's saddled with borderline personality disorder, which you apparently don't take into consideration when evaluating his level of maturity. Even with BPD he's become more mature and responsible than most 30 year olds.

What have you done with your life?
Have you maturely and responsibly made it your mission to help others like Brandon has?
Do you selflessly dedicate a great deal of your time to helping others when that time could instead be spent on yourself- talking on forums, playing XBOX, and watching football?
Have you started charities like Brandon has?
....and donated a million dollars to charity like Brandon has?
Have you positively affected hundreds of thousands of lives like Brandon has?
Do you offer motivational speaking engagements to underprivileged communities like Brandon does?
Did you work with the NFL in their efforts to address the domestic violence issue like Brandon has?
Have you received the "Humanitarian of the Year Award" like Brandon has?
Are you complacently the same husband, father, son, employee, etc now as you were 5 years ago, or do you make a concerted effort like Brandon to be in a constant state of improvement?

I'd love to see the kind of person you'd become if you had BPD. I'd love to see you maintain your composure 100% of the time despite your condition pushing you to do otherwise, and then when you do have the occasional outburst due to your disorder, I can jump all over you for it and label you immature & irresponsible regardless of the kind of person you are otherwise.

 

yes yes, I'm sure the entire mental health community and all those who voted Brandon "Humanitarian of the Year" would agree w/ you.

 

Does BPD manifest in being immature? As I recall, that was the complaint about Brandon Marshall. He said and did things that were just foolish.

If I'm a d!ck at work, can I blame that on my epilepsy?

 

If by dick you mean going into convulsions and knocking drinks over on others, then yes, you could blame it on your epilepsy.

 

Knock my drink over it better be water or soda, otherwise we are fighting

 

Go back and read this guys posts, I'd save my breath. Ofcourse it is kinda funny if you

 

bes not the same player he was his first few years with the giants. His foot and leg injuries robbed him

 

Lol. How about how he looked on the field? The Giants signed him pretty quick, no? He started all 16 games for them this year, no?

 

Just like good coaches hide their players' flaws, I think good QBs do the same for their O-line.

Eli's QBR was actually 70.9 which was good for 7th in the league behind only Romo, Rodgers, Brady, Peyton, Roethlisberger and Brees.

4400 yards, 63% completions, 30 TDs and only 14 INTs....pretty solid season.

 

Starting all 16 games does not equate to greatness.

 

But it does equate to getting paid to play football for a living which is not something I thought was guaranteed to be in Jerry's future to be honest.

I thought he'd be a backup for sure if he was acquired by anyone, let alone be the starter for the O-line which afforded Eli enough opportunity to be the 7th best QB in the league (according to ESPN).

 

I'm not sure what sort of involvement you have in mental health beyond having picked up an acronym somewhere, but Marshall is high-functioning and the idea that he shouldn't be held accountable for his actions is really patronizing and problematic for a variety of reasons. He should certainly be given leeway on spur of the moment emotional reactions, but there's plenty of instances where he wasn't behaving in a responsible fashion even with his condition in mind.

Marshall isn't some sort of heart-warming success story of overcoming personal circumstances. He's at best an ******* with legitimate issues that he appears to be doing a poor job of taking care of. It's absolutely reasonable to hold Brandon Marshall to standards much higher than you seem willing to, and if he can't match them it's unlikely he will be continuing to play in the NFL. The current reports are that the Bears ownership has decided to move on from Marshall even without a GM and head coach in the fold. Do you think he's going to end up with a chance to get pushed off of a fourth team?

Futhermore, the charity stuff is ridiculous. Brandon Marshall didn't donate $1 million dollars to charity, the Chicago Bears did to in his name as part of his contract extension. I'm not sure about Brandon Marshall's charity work, but odds are it's anything other than a PR/vanity stunt to an outright scam. Very few charities set up by athletes are legitimate, valuable organizations http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/9125446/rethink-giving-athlete-charities

 

Who is this WR who never catches balls that hit him in his hands? Because it ain't Wallace.

 

If I was worth millions and millions, I'd donate more, too. If I was worth millions, and had a bad reputation because I act like a dick, I'd donate too.

 

Most millionaires have a "dick reputation" very few donate millions.

 

Curious to why you have such a strong dislike for WRs, any history of bullying or infidelity I should know about?

 

Canton Bulldogs?

 

Is that why they offered him an extension which he turned down? So, they made basically the same offer to Antonio Brown and he accepted?

 

Now that's funny. I don't care who ya are.

 

Just off the top of my head, I can think of TDs by both Landry and Wallace this season that were equal when it comes to effort.

 

One guy played 601 snaps and one of them played 836.

 

In your opinion. Not one that is shared by all, or likely even most.

 

Nicks abruptly had his career altered b/c of injury. At least he's still playing. So basically, Nicks at 50% is what you get from Hartline's 100%.

 

Jerry had this written about him:

The Giants gave up 30 sacks and 73 hits.

And Jerry was better at RG in 2013 than Pouncey was this past season. We went from having jack and sh1t at tackle with solid center and decent guard play, to having a half season of solid tackle play and jack and sh1t for guards and at center. They entire interior needs to be replaced. A lot is going to depend on getting a healthy Albert and Pouncey back at LT and C, so James can go back to RT. Staff should be able to get 1 damned guard coached up on their own from the 4 bodies we already have and we can sign a FA or draft a guy for the other.

 

What injury are you talking about, and when, exactly?

 

He is also a terrible run blocker. NYG averaged 3.6 yards per carry. Jerry was rated the 3rd worst run blocker by PFF. Though a middling pass blocker. Same as last year in Miami basically.

 

Nicks has always had foot problems if I recall, Todd? Can you google that for me??

 

Once you make a football move that rule is out the window. You can argue, correctly in fact, that the step he took with the ball was a football move. I hate Dallas since the NYG are my 2nd favorite team and they got hosed today. I have no sympathy for them but facts are facts.

 

he started about half their games but only played a total of 622 snaps out of a possible 1190 snaps on offense. His production sucked and that was with Luck throwing him the ball and really looking for targets besides TY Hilton and his bobble hands. Fleener and Nicks both had a fair amount of drops or poor routes or the inability to get open at various points. I agree I dont want him. Hes not even Rishard Matthews good at this point.

 

Nicks has always had leg issues. Oddly, 2013 was the first season of his career that he didn't miss playing time due to an ankle, foot, or knee problem.

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Well you could look at it that way, or you could say that Nicks playing time was managed more effectively as he played half his teams snaps for 16 games as opposed to being on and off hurt all year and playing half his teams snaps but over 8 games which is basically what has happened at various points in his career.

 

Not quite true. The football move only comes into play if you make the catch on your two feet and stable. If you are headed to the ground then you must maintain control. Football move doesn't even come into the equation. If dez landed on his two feet and stable then was knocked down then yes. But it was clear he was headed to the ground as soon as he came down with the ball. He should have kept it tucked instead of reaching out. He never took normal steps. He was stumbling from the get go.

Remember Calvin Johnson who caught a TD and immediately let it go to celebrate and they called it incomplete.

This is the rule. Move common to the game doesn't even apply. It was clear he was always headed to the ground.

Item 1: Player Going to the Ground.If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball throughout the process of contacting the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete.

 

Yes yes you're right, I merely picked up the BPD acronym somewhere. It was probably at my step daughter's psychiatrist's office a few years back during her first visit... while reading a brochure on BPD... since that was her Shrink's primary field.... hence my step daughter being seen by him- to treat her BPD, among other mental health set backs after having 10 centimeters of her temporal lobe removed as a child. So yeah, other than dealing with a loved one who suffers from BPD, reading up on it heavily to understand her better, and having sat by her side during a handful of her mental health sessions, I really have little experience with it.

What does Marshall being high functioning have to do with anything? You act like that enables him to just turn off his disorder. For the record though, Marshall might be a "high functioning" individual in the sense that he knows two plus two doesn't equal potato; however, he is a Low Functioning Personality-Disordered Individual.

Secondly, where are these "instances" you speak of that featured Brandon behaving irresponsibly the past 3 years since learning of his condition? The guy tried to hold players accountable for poor play, lack of heart, and lack of effort during a s***ty season. If it were Cutler doing this [why wasn't he?] so that Brandon wouldn't have to, he probably wouldn't have received any flack b/c he's the QB and b/c he's perceived as being "normal", as the Bears players simply don't wanna hear a diva wide receiver with a mental health disorder laying into them for crappy play despite deserving every yoctogram of it.

I don't recall reports of him selfishly throwing temper-tantrums for not getting the ball or anything like that; however, what I do recall is players mentioning how Brandon would pull out his notebook after drives that he wasn't targeted on, and he'd write down all the positives he could recall about the drive such as how well he ran his routes or how well he blocked for teammates, so that he could maintain a positive attitude and away from potential outbursts. That's what a person with BPD has to go through just to try to be normal, just to try to act like the rest of us who need minimal effort to maintain composure. What I do recall, however, is this quote a couple months ago about him from coach Trestman:

You summed it all up yourself- "Brandon should certainly be given leeway on spur of the moment emotional reactions". So why aren't you giving it to him, as Brandon's few instances in Chicago are all tied to BPD. C'mon man, his disorder is friggin' characterized by emotional outbursts, impulsiveness, difficulty controlling anger, displays of temper, paranoid thoughts, emotional instability, sensitivity to environmental circumstances, and fear of abandonment, rejection, or a loss of external structure..... and the misperception of being shallow.... to name a few.

Perhaps you could read up more on BPD b/c it doesn't seem like you understand it well enough to be criticizing and judging those afflicted by it. Yup, he's such an ******* doing a poor job of taking care of his disorder that he visited Congress in effort to push forth the Mental Health in Schools Act. This came after Brandon being the key speaker at the first-ever Kennedy Forum [a mental health summit].

The way Marshall is dealing with his disorder and evolving as a person is remarkable. The people who awarded him Humanitarian of the Year also seem to disagree with your assessment, and I'm willing to bet that the millions of individuals with mental health issues who actually KNOW what it's like to cope with a serious disorder would heavily disagree with you as well, especially since Brandon is an inspiration to them. I'm guessing they'd criticize you for trashing a guy with BPD despite him working as hard as anyone to mitigate his condition and raise awareness.

Standards? Exactly what has he done wrong since leaving Miami that you feel leaves him short of meeting the standards of an individual with BPD? What's next, calling a man with ALS lazy b/c he needs to park closer to a store's entrance?

Why wouldn't Chicago move on? They were 5-11 with the 31st ranked Defense, are practically in the middle of a rebuild, and have Alshon Jeffery and Marques Wilson whom they're quite excited about?

How can you call his charity stuff ridiculous when you just said yourself that you're not sure about his charity work? And where do you get this stuff that Chicago did it in his name as part of his extension? I've not seen one mention about it coming from the Bears. Brandon and his wife announced on The View that he was pledging $1 million of his new contract on behalf of The Brandon Marshall Foundation. Perhaps the "on behalf of The Brandon Marshall Foundation" is what confused you, unless there's proof otherwise out there that few people are aware of.

As far as his foundation goes, I've read legitimate mental health websites talking pretty adamantly about the great work it's doing and the effort it's giving. What Brandon is doing goes SO FAR BEYOND a PR/vanity stunt that it's impossible to even fathom it as a stunt. If all he wanted was a stunt, he could've stopped long ago. He could've stopped at just the million dollar donation. He could've stopped after creating his charitable organization. But he didn't.

• He visited Congress on behalf of kids suffering from mental illness.
• He spoke at a mental health summit on behalf of all those suffering from BPD.
• He spoke at the National Alliance for Mental Illness convention in Seattle.
• He paid a 10k fine [which he matched an additional 10k for charity] to wear lime-green cleats [the color of mental health awareness] to raise awareness, which it did, creating 1.5 million media impressions in the days following the game. Brandon said the fine is "nothing compared to the conversation started and awareness raised".
• He and his Foundation helped orchestrate a lime-green Harley ride of 200 strong through Illinois that he rode along side and later joined in their BBQ.
• Thousands of individuals around the country suffering from mental health issues got teared-up at the sight of Chicago's lime-green skyline during Mental Health Awareness Month [my step daughter being one of them], all thanks to Brandon and his Foundation now more cities are following suit. He went to the owners of different buildings with their plans and got it done. We're not talking a string of Christmas lights taped to the top. We're talking about stuff like an entire building like the one below.

Breast cancer has its color and has its awareness going strong on center state. Lance Armstrong's got the yellow going strong and recognized as well. But what about the millions of mental health sufferers? Where's their stage? How much of the general public even knew they had a color before Brandon arrived? Yup, what an as***** that guy. How dare he provide them inspiration like that?!! How dare he wear his lime-green cleats in support just as 90% of the NFL has been doing for Breast Cancer Awareness?! How dare he provide hope?! How dare he stand up for them and say, "You know what, you do matter!"... b/c until now, most of these sufferers have felt like they didn't.

Your fatal flaw in this is you see Brandon as some sort of selfish, irresponsible as****e who has trouble sticking with one team b/c he's nothing but a problem child. People in the mental health community, however, view him as a source of inspiration, a guy who has become one of THE BEST in the country at his trade DESPITE having BPD. They see him for all he's accomplished, endured, and succeeded at DESPITE having a serious mental health disorder that, until then, they believed would prevent them from leading a mostly normal life. We all saw Brandon Marshall PRE diagnosis. We saw him PRE getting help. We were all provided front row seats to witness just how bad BPD can be, as everything we saw from Brandon was in some form or another the same type of scary, stressful, anxiety-filled stuff that millions of BPD sufferers and their loved ones are forced to cope with on a consistent if not daily basis. For MOST of these people, they thought that's it, that it doesn't get much better, that there's little hope at the end of the rainbow.

Then Brandon Marshall took the stage to show otherwise. Bringing his mental health to public light and by attempting to throw the mental health community on his back, he's changing the damning stigma that has forced most of these ashamed, embarrassed sufferers to live in silence and fear. He's become the Billy Madison to their pant-wetting Ernie. "Hey look everybody, Brandon Marshall peed his pants." "Of course I peed my pants. Everyone my age pees their pants. It's the coolest." "Hey look, Ernie peed his pants too. Alright!" So for you to call Brandon a selfish, irresponsible, immature ***hole, you're calling virtually every BPD suffer a selfish, irresponsible, immature a** hole, including my step-daughter.

 

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Okay but he never lost control of the ball BEFORE it contacted the ground, so how does this rule apply?

What's the rule about a completion being allowed when the ball touches the ground? -the receiver has to be in control of it, correct, that the ball can't move at all while it's contacting the ground?

Well, Dez had it tucked in his hand and pinned against the side of his helmet. He had full control during ball-ground contact just as the rule requires. It wasn't until he rolled over that the ball left his possession, but that had nothing to do with the ball contacting the ground whatsoever. They were two separate instances. First there was ball-ground contact which he maintained, and then separately there was losing the ball in the air which he also maintained, so how is that not a catch when at no point did the ball contact the ground without full control of it?

 

The way I saw that play it looked like he caught it for a moment and then when he made the move and lunged for that endzone. When he made the move and lunged for the endzone that's when the ball started to shift. To me that looked like a catch and an almost fumble but it happened so quick that I thought they might over turn it because they gave the cowboys such a gift last week. To me it was a make up call for Detroit.