Lessons from the current NFL best deep ball thrower.

And this is what Lazor said about all the speculation that day, and if there was any doubt Tannehill would start:

Calling out Tannehill, or appearing to, was another dumb move by Philbin, as I don't believe it had anything to Tannehill playing better or worse.

 

Refusing to answer a ludicrous question from reporters is calling someone out?

Tannehill was never publicly called out by Philbin. This entire thing was fabricated by reporters due to the fact that Tannehill was struggling the first 3 games and that Philbin was "noncommittal" when asked if he'd consider benching Tannehill. The reporters implied that Tannehill was called out, but did that really happen? Also, Philbin has also refused to take about other players in the past during the season.

And this from Lazor implies just the opposite and he treated the questions with annoyance:

 

I may be wrong, but didn't Philbin apologize to the team that week for this mess. If I remember correctly, it had more to do with the HC's stance on his depth chart and reluctance to discuss this with the press. Even Lazor's and other players laughable reaction to this made it a non issue. I don't think RT missed a snap at practice that week. "Called Out" seems like a huge exaggeration..especially when the coach admitted the mistake.

 

Yes... whole thing was media driven.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-dolphins-notes-0926-20140925-story.html

 

But, but, that doesn't fit the narrative that some want to push. Where can I see the quote from Lazor about Tannehill and the playbook?

 

I've looked and not found anything specific to Tannehill directly from Bill Lazor as a quote.

What I did find was this from James Walker back in August:

Dave Hyde also mentioned something similar as related to Tannehill and Lazor scaling back unsuccessful deeper plays that take longer to develop and are of a lower percentage for completing.

He also wrote this in Oct:

 

I hate to say it but I am really jealous. Must be nice to move from Brett favre right into a stud like Aaron Rodgers.

 

Or Peyton Manning to Andrew Luck...

As for Rodgers, no one knows how he would've performed if he had played as a rookie or even his first 3 years in the league, much less on a team with the issues we have.

 

So,

Or,

Is calling some one out to you?

 

These guys are going to see and believe what they want to further their agenda. Facts do not interest them.

And they call ME a troll

 

What facts.


Troll.



Go Bucks.

 

The fact that they didn't call Tannehill out?

 

It's no secret he was under a lot of fire early this year, but it must've made something click because he played very good football the last half of the season for the most part. Philbin had mentioned a couple times last season about how he wanted Ryan to "let it rip" etc.

The statement they shortened the field to focus on Ryan's strengths is quite telling though to say the least.

 

And the fact that Wallace is a one trick pony. And that trick doesn't work with a garbage O line.

But keep blaming the QB, it's easier.

 

You guys can quit being lazy and look it up yourselves, but I'll do some of it for you. But the overall theme is, Tannehill isn't playing up Lazor's standards, even though Lazor is taking blame, and he thinks Mike Wallace is the shiznit and loves him. These are taken from summaries of articles Crunchtime posts in the Club. But they are all out there for searching. One thing I love about Lazor is he doesn't really pull punches, and is not diplomatic. He's blaming Tanny for ball placement here.

There are a ton more through the year, where he really, really loves Wallace. He's placing the blame squarely on Tannehill, without always naming Tannehill (but he does occasionally). From 9/22. I'll bold the pertinent parts for those who don't like reading:

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/spor...e-tannehill-has-regressed-dolphins-notes.html

Cue the TDF (Tannehill Defense Force) rebuttals. It's okay to admit he isn't perfect. But the facts are, what they are.

 

One more just for fun.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/2014/10/21/

Much credit needs to be given to Lazor for recognizing Tannehill's weaknesses (deep pass) and strengths (look at the article for more on that).

But if we are to become a great offense we need these quick strikes. At one point in the year, we had the most red zone drives, but worst red zone percentage. Because the offense can't score quick strikes, they end up in the red zone more often then one that scores from 50 yards out. At that same point, our longest TD drive was from 21 yards which is ridiculous.

 

I still think the people saying that Tannehill has been called out are not being accurate. Even those articles had things added by the writer. Can someone please find me this mysterious Tannehill loving poster who claims that Tannehill is perfect and has nothing to work on? I keep seeing people refer to this guy.

Oh, and people running the correct routes still doesn't mean that Tannehill has the time to throw.

Like I've said before, there's plenty of blame to go around, it's not all on one guy.

 

Fact. Lazor says his offense is the one Tanny can run.
Second fact. Shortly thereafter he strips the deep pass for a while.
Third fact. Effusively praises Mike Wallace all year long. All year. If I didn't already waste enough time, I'd go pull the quotes.

When you lay down tonight to sleep, whatever interpretation of the above you take to help you sleep better, is fine by me. Just pointing out what happened.

 

Yep. And none of those equals calling a player out.

Love your condescending attitude, too, btw. Makes you a real pleasure to interact with.

 

Ryan is doing a lot of good things, and is a young QB progressing. But it's ok to bring up the fact he has struggled with deep passes. It doesn't mean we should cut him, it's just a weakness that hopefully he improves on...he's the QB...those guys always get too much credit and too much blame. He needs to get better, period.

 

When someone asks if he has regressed and you respond, yeah that's accurate. Well, in my view, that's calling someone out. He could have been diplomatic and say the right things. Or he can say, yeah he's regressed.

He went with the latter. It is what it is.

When asked what went wrong, he said Tanny's ball placement needs work, added that ball placement is what separates Great from Good to JAG QBs, then added, "oh by the way Mike Wallace is a stud." Then further added, when asked if Tannehill's confidence has been damaged responded, "they're big boys here" meaning, I don't care if his confidence has been damaged. We're not in preschool.

That's calling him out. Did he say, "Ryan Tannehill I'm calling you out" no, and if that's what you expect then you're not going to get that.

 

The argument isn't that Tannehill is perfect on deep passes.

The argument is that deep passes are hard and most aren't right on the money, and often, the receiver does more to help make the completion.

 

The quote you referenced was about RT's rating after the chief game. At that point it was lower than the previous years. That was Lazor commenting on a reporters question. If a reporter asked Lazor at the end of the season that RT's rating was higher than last seasons, I'm sure he would have answered that it was progression..You can't have it both ways. I appreciate all the work you put in your posts but you are trying to imply Lazor thinks he regressed when he was talking about numbers up to the chief game...not the season. You try to read between the lines with your opinions and then try to discredit others for doing the same. NOBODY....NOBODY, even the biggest RT supporter has ever claimed him to be elite or perfect...that fact cannot be disputed.

 

I think for most of us the argument is that Ryan needs a lot of work on these throws...what's the point of owning a GT Shelby 500 if you struggle controlling it north of 100mph?? You either do a better job driving it, or trade it in for a Kia.

 

It's definitely something BOTH sides need to work on.

No question.

Go Bucks!!

 

Again, with the being fast.

 

Just being fast doesn't get you open at this level. I could give you a long list of guys who have ran 4.4's and under who can't even make a 53.

 

Well, that's pretty much what gets Wallace open. He doesn't run great routes. So, scheme and speed get him open.

 

I never said for the season. I said at that time, and at that time Tanny was mush. This thread we are in is about Deep passes. And that was removed completely from his game earlier in the season. That is all.

Lazor was 100% unhappy with Tanny's play at the beginning of the season. The offense wasn't fast enough for his tastes. Ball placement wasn't where it needed to be. Deep passes weren't connecting but out of the same breath Mike Wallace is a stud.

Again, this is a thread about deep passes. If nobody disputed the fact Lazor keyed in on Tanny as the reason the deep passes weren't working, we wouldn't even be here. Last year they had trouble with deep passes and Joe Philbin had to tell Tanny to stop thinking and throw the ball.


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/20/mike-wallace-surprised-by-mike-shermans-praise/
Last year, Mike Sherman:

A little bit later:
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/20...2_1_ryan-tannehill-mike-wallace-body-language

It got so bad Tannehill called himself out

Can Wallace do more to bail Tanny out? Yes of course. But he's not that guy. When Tanny starts hitting Wallace in stride and Wallace starts dropping it, then we shift from Tanny being the problem to Wallace being the problem.

 

That's the advantage of being fast, you don't have to run GREAT routes...if he did he would be a force to be reckoned with. He already has adjusted his game to fit in better with the short/mid passing game. Who's to say he won't take even bigger strides next season?

The one gripe I have with him and it's kind of common, is not being a hands catcher...that bs is annoying.

 

Exactly, it's a pretty recognizable problem for most. He certainly showed more confidence and ability later in the season. Just need to build on it.

 

I will say this. Tanny's struggle with the long ball forced Wallace to be a more complete WR and he has. Now, he hasn't all of a sudden turned into Marvin Harrison out there, but he's improved in other facets of the game (he has to).

If/when Tanny gets a little more comfortable with the longer ball, and if Wallace is still here, we'd have a very potent weapon that can play all over the field and is no longer a one trick pony

 

He did get better. I think Lazor started calling them more in the latter end of the season.

 

Anyone notice on that seam route to Fleener how Luck adjusted his arch and delivered an on the money pass? That's the mechanical issue I see with 17.

 

ryan struggles with touch throws..he'll make some from time to time, but its obvious its not a strength.

 

Another reason I feel like a new QB coach could do wonders for him, the mechanics on those throws are bad imo.

 

gaining touch thru mechanics has a ceiling, that ceiling is established thru innate ability.

 

I think going into his 4th season, we're going to begin to see Tannehill level off. I think it a lot of ways we already have. Some things he does well enough. Some things he'll probably just never have a good feel for.