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Salguero: Tannenbaum move ill conceived, poorly timed

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Serpico Jones, Jan 6, 2015.

  1. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    Boss Ross, a man keen on half measures the past couple of times he has changed the team’s leadership, outdid himself with a, well, a one-third measure.
    He should have either stayed the course or handed the whole package to Tannenbaum and told him to remake it all. But not knowing which was right, Ross only made a national mockery of the Dolphins at a time all seemed relatively quiet.
    And with that, it is close to being official now ... Stephen Ross is competing for the worst franchise owner in South Florida today.
    He has never been the best because his team has never been to the playoffs or even had a winning season under his ownership tenure. But he was never the worst because that ignominy went to Marlins owner Jeffrey Loria.
    Ross is now worse than Loria.
    Loria is terrible but he is diabolically so, allowing lies to be spewed before city fathers for his ultimate benefit.
    Ross is just inept.
    And that is worse.

    Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article5524077.html#storylink=cpy

    Mod edit-Please do not claim the author said something he didnt.Title has been corrected.
     
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  2. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, a lot of Marlins fans are gonna disagree with that one.
     
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  3. fin13

    fin13 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    **** Armando, what a douche bag, but what a journalist he is always right, remember Jeff Ireland his buddy.
     
  4. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    They're both terrible owners in their own way.

    Loria has actually won something though
     
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  5. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    I can't wait till the draft begins, I seriously am tired of reading about the clowns in our front office, it's depressing.
     
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  6. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Lulz.


    I think Armando is pretty spot on. The hiring of Mike Tannenbaum is being perceived as bad because of his time in NY. While the results were mixed, the role he has now isn't the same. Given his interest in analytics, his hiring may be a good thing for us. And I think people are seeing this move as short sighted. Ross is funding a stadium rebuild and likely didn't want to pay to fire an entire staff and rehire a new one. Joe Philbin and Dennis Hickey are not likely to survive into 2016.

    Someone remind me, what position did Ross want to promote Jeff Ireland to before parting ways? Was it VP of football operations? I think its likely that Tannenbaum will take on an Ireland/Peterson role and help hire a new coach and GM in 2016. Which may not be a bad thing tbh. I certainly don't trust Ross to find us a new coach by himself and I'm perplexed as to what Dan Marino actually does. His job description is probably, "be Dan Marino."

    Ross is clearly a ****ing ******, our organizational structure makes no sense, the GM candidate search last year was a joke. I'm just going to sit back and hope for the best. There's nothing else to be done.
     
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  7. finfansince72

    finfansince72 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm not a big fan of Ross and certainly not of Tannenbaum, I hope it works out...he's not on the same level as Loria. I mean Ross is in his own sad way trying to win, Loria blatantly deceived the city to get a new stadium, thats a pretty hard act to overtake.
     
  8. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    Loria is a cartoon villain honestly. Ross is the deuteragonist who always means well but can't help but **** up.
     
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  9. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    This just in... Salgeuro is an inept writer.

    **** that guy. He's useless.

    The only thing I agree with, is the fact it's a half measure by Ross. The move, to me at least, signifies that he's "not happy" with the Hickey/Ireland combo, and wants someone with football experience to manage that eventual transition, or decision making on their future. At least if that's the route he goes next year... he's got someone with some experience, and respect in the league to handle his GM/Coaching search.

    The thing that bothers me... He's had Tannenbaum on payroll as a consultant throughout the year... Why not hire him in this role as the season was falling apart, then let him decide the fate of Hickey/Philbin this year, with some good coaching candidates out there.
     
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  10. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I think Armando Salguero is off on this.

    This is a re-do of the GM hire but with a small twist. I don't know that Ross trusts Mike Tannenbaum to be the guy making personnel choices. So technically Hickey is the GM and has final say on the 53 man roster. But Hickey is absolutely in over his head as far as structuring and running the engine of a billion dollar franchise. He's got no clue what he's doing as far as analytics go, sports science, implementation of technology, etc. He's pure old school, and not in the "I like that!" way. He's just insufficient.

    Tannenbaum has more experience designing and handling the structure of an organization. Especially over the last two years he's had exposure to how the Seahawks structure their organization (probably the most innovative franchise in the NFL by the way), some other NFL franchises, some NBA franchises, the English Premier League, etc. That's been his business, finding all of the innovative things that all of these teams are doing and incorporating those innovations into his business. You don't get that if you're holed up in your one NFL city looking out purely for the franchise for which you work.

    Thirty seconds of listening to Tannenbaum is all it takes to know the guy has WAY more knowledge of what he's doing than Hickey does with respect to the incorporation of analytics, sports science, sports performance and development, nutrition, etc.

    The only reason Philbin doesn't report to Tannenbaum right now is Philbin is still operating on the contract signed in 2012, which stipulated that he answers only to Steve Ross. If Joe Philbin were to pull off a miracle and win a bunch of games next year to where he's getting a contract extension, that contract will very likely have it written in that he now answers to Mike Tannenbaum.

    We've been BEGGING for Ross to install a head of football ops that oversees all of the department heads. Begging for it. Now it happens and this evidence that Steve Ross is a buffoon?
     
  11. CaribPhin

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    The article is basically, "that name isn't popular, so this sucks", IMO. I don't have the best read on this situation yet, but in the other thread I've implied I think it's not as dire as people are making it seem. People like to point to Sanchez, Gholston, and Hill but Sanchez was the consensus number 2, Gholston was boom or bust and sometimes you get him or you get Jason Pierre-Paul, while Hill was considered a good raw prospect but had that big fast GT WR pedigree (a la Megatron and Demaryius).
     
  12. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I said this earlier in the day:

    If you think Ross is an idiot, then you have to love this move because he just removed himself from half the equation.
     
  13. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    I can't really bash Armando, he knows the mood of the fan base so he's tapping into their frustration. Wholly transparent yet effective. At the same time I wish we had beat writers who were more interested in informing the public than just telling them what they want to hear.
     
  14. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    I'm guessing Armando doesn't think he's going to have an insider source in Tannenbaum. So he's crying in his spilled milk like the little whining turd he is. High 5 armando.. high 5...
     
  15. MikeHoncho

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    Exactly.

    Jeffry Loria is Lil Ze'.
    Stephen Ross is Mr. Bean.
     
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  16. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Stephen Ross is an amazingly bad owner and I'm not sure why people are scurrying to defend his honor.

    He's a ****ing idiot and the more times he reads it or hears it the better.
     
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  17. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    He's not bashing Tannenbaum though. In fact, he talked him up a little and suspects Dolphin fans will hate the hiring due to his NYJ association. Which is spot on if TP.com is any kind of sample. The issue is Stephen Ross making another organizational structure alteration in regards to power. Which is clearly an issue as our GM search last off-season demonstrated. We should have wiped the slate clean. As another poster put it earlier, left over rotten apples spoil the barrel. Ross has taken half measures since he became owner. I think this move would of been better if Tannenbaum was given the position and the authority to put his people in place, rather than becoming another check in the Willy Wonka balance system we have in place.
     
  18. LBsFinest

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    basically, Ross is a complete failure as an owner, can't say that about Loria
     
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  19. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    The difference being that while Ross might be clueless, Loria literally sabotages his own team. The Marlins' squad has been blown up so many times, and, until recently, has been so criminally underpaid that, during one season, Alex Rodriguez was LITERALLY making more money than the whole entire Marlins roster.

    I'm not going to defend Ross, but anyone who thinks that he's a worse owner than Loria really doesn't know the history of the Marlins.
     
  20. Bpk

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    We hate the Jets, okay? lol.

    So yeah, we associate him with the Jets. And with getting fired from them. And the mistakes he made there as GM. And etc.

    But you present some good positives to weigh this out.

    Also though, I din't have any faith in Ross' football decisions to be sound. So I almost assume the worst but hope for the best at this point.
     
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  21. ckparrothead

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    This is exactly correct. Ross is an even worse owner than Loria because he's such an idiot. Yet this move which essentially cedes control of football operations and consolidates oversight into the hands of someone other than Ross...is bad? Wasn't it worse when it was Ross responsible for managing all these department heads?
     
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  22. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    I think Armando's issue is if you're gonna go this way then go all the way and let Tannenbaum hire his own guys instead of forcing a group of lame ducks on him.
     
  23. Clark Kent

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    The problem is, someone else running the football operations doesn't matter when the whole power structure is as convoluted as it currently is. GM candidates ran away from us as fast as they could. How has this power structure improved with Tannenbaum in Ross's place? I mean, he's not even responsible for our quasi lame duck HC.

    Again, the decision to hire Tannenbaum isn't the real issue. At least, not among those of us who don't think the guy is a buffoon because his resume includes being GM of the NYJ. The issue is the power structure is more convoluted than it was yesterday. Tannenbaum is stuck babysitting Ross's mess instead of beginning the process of cleaning it up.
     
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  24. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    If Tannebaum stays away from making personnel decisions and if he is just in charge of the things he says he is in charge of, which basically IF Tannebaum is telling the truth, then it is defiantly not worse. It is basically the same, except Tannebaum is there instead of Ross, who was not there anyway.

    I was worried about this because I think Tannebaum is a terrible GM.

    Hopefully in the two years he was away he got to reflect and grow and realize that he should not scout or make player acquisition decisions and this could work.

    I disagree that the power structure is more convoluted. Philbin reported to Ross yesterday.
     
  25. DolphinGreg

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    If Philbin and/or Hickey are removed in 2016, I think the presence of Tannenbaum will be an asset for the Dolphins in terms of hiring. Tannenbaum seems to have an ability to sell and project himself and his vision that many don't (including Ross). In the meantime, Tannenbaum can work with Hickey on the sports science and scouting side of things. I can see good things in that: a stronger push towards nutrition, conditioning, recovery, etc. I don't think this move makes the team worse in any way but it certainly makes the franchise more prepared in the event that it enters a complete rebuild in 2016.

    The only question for some may be 'why aren't we just rebuilding now?' I think the answer to that remains the same. Harbaugh wasn't coming and Ross was satisfied to let Philbin and Hickey run the team in 2016. With that being the case, I give this move a passing grade. Maybe it's not an A+ for some of you but it's another gradual step away from ineptitude which is by definition an improvement.
     
  26. roy_miami

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    Its not like Tannenbaum just showed up yesterday. He's been with the team the entire season, probably doing a similar role just not in an official capacity. If there were any decisions made on Hickey and Philbin chances are Tannenbaum was consulted at the very least.
     
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  27. Serpico Jones

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    Tannenbaum is in charge of personnel. He controls the GM.
     
  28. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    With that logic, Ross was in charge of the personnel before, he controlled the GM.
     
  29. djphinfan

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    this is the point where I don't pretend to know more than I do..Kick back and let things play out..this could be a positive thing.
     
  30. Clark Kent

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    I think the hire is more positive than negative given what Tannenbaum brings to the table. I hate strongly hate our owner for a lot of other reasons. I don't trust him to make good decisions at any level of this organization. I'm not going to blindly start now when all evidence is to the contrary. Adding pieces to failed regime, which further twist authority rather than starting over w/a new VP/GM/HC is subtraction by addition, even if Tannenbaum is more qualified to run our organization than Ross.

    Let me ask you this... Miami goes 6-10 next year. Is Ross firing/letting Philbin, Hickey, and the staff walk? Probably, yes. Is he going to fire Tannenbaum after one season as VP? Probably not. That would be dumb... Ross is taking a half measured approach to improve this **** show he's created instead of cleaning house and building a new staff from the top down.
     
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  31. djphinfan

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    If Philbin doesn't produce next year, he gone, and probably hikey gone, then he will conduct a search for coach, then allow the coach to pick his own GM..I don't see anything wrong with that..

    its not all bad man, oh yeah, and go over to that stadium modernization thread, it will surely cheer ya up, its kind of a big deal for a team that plays in the worst venue in sports for a home field advantage..their movig and adding concrete brother..with a roof and everything, its all good.
     
  32. Serpico Jones

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    Tannenbaum is basically going to be a very meddling owner, and if he doesn't like the job Hickey is doing he'll fire his *** in a heartbeat.
     
  33. Piston Honda

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    Logic, what's that?
     
  34. jw3102

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    When I lived in South Florida I thought Loria was the worst owner in professional sports. Yet I never blamed him for the stadium. While he certainly lied, it was the corrupt politicians in Miami-Dade county who failed to perform their due diligence in requiring Loria to submit his financial records prior to approving the stadium.

    Instead these politicians merely accepted Loria's word that the Marlins were losing millions of dollars a year and therefore could not afford to put more money into building the stadium. I actually give Loria credit for understanding how inept and corrupt the politicians are in Miami Dade county.
     
  35. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    I think the point of the article was that it's another half measure by Ross when more drastic steps are probably needed. I think that's why this team is failing under Ross's ownership. He's never sure what exactly needs to be done. He's that one dopey guy in the middle of a room frantically looking around at what everyone else is doing and by the time he figures out what he should be doing himself it's too late.
     
  36. Fin D

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    Now here's the crazy thing.......

    First play this:
    [video=youtube_share;1khghXRGb6k]http://youtu.be/1khghXRGb6k[/video]

    Then read this:
    If Ross is dumb and bad, then how did he just pull off a smart and good move?

    Then play this one more time:
    [video=youtube_share;1khghXRGb6k]http://youtu.be/1khghXRGb6k[/video]
     
  37. brandon27

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    Exactly. This guy has been involved all year to some degree. So chances are he had input on the decision with Ross to keep Philbin/Hickey for another year.
     
  38. Rouk

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    Man you guys will buy into anything the dolphins do. This is a horrendous hire and honestly makes no sense considering Philbins current contract. This guy sunk the jets into a black hole. Well on the bright side maybe he sinks us into the same hole and ross sells the team. All I'll say is this clown thought TIM TEBOW would be the savior.
     
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  39. scotty_irnbru

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    I don't really know tannenbaum that well. Clearly he's quite divisive. The jets connection doesn't half. As CK said this appears only to be a good move whichever way you slice it. It seems ridiculous to complain that he left the jets in a mess, was he in any way responsible for 2 championship game visits? We can't have it both ways, can't moan that he didn't do a good job without pointing to the good work he did do. This idea the Ross is the worst owner in sports is beyond ridiculous. What these posters should really say is they disagree with his way of doing something, although from a point of view of less information and with more conjecture. Thus jumping on the spoiled brat machine if you don't like it, get fantastically wealthy and buy your own pro sports team.
     
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  40. SICK

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    Loria is LITERALLY Satan.
     

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