Mike Wallace's Effect on Ryan Tannehill's Downfield Passing

I have one question for you. If you think hartline is the better target how do you account for his lack of production this season?


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That has much less to do with Mike Wallace than it does Dennis Hickey.

 

You're obsessed with this extraordinary coverage idea and it's silly. Mike Wallace is treated exactly like the middling starter his production would suggest. Cover-2 isn't a concession, you might as well be claiming teams are using Nickel packages for his presence.

Meanwhile we've sat here and watched any number of things that you would fall all over yourself to paint as disrespect if it was done to Hartline. Linebacker primary coverage? Watching a rookie slot receiver or tight end become the guy defenses try to take away? It's all there.

 

I understand all that but that's not what I'm asking. Your only looking at deep throws but hartline has been mostly absent from the passing game all season.

You are comparing hartlines and Wallace from different seasons but ignoring when they are both on the field Wallace is the more productive of the two.


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He isn't ALWAYS going to see a ton of extra attention, but why do you think teams are willing to gamble at times and play Wallace straight up? Do you really believe they gameplan thinking "Sure Wallace can/will beat our coverage by a few steps, but let's take the chance because despite being open he can't run a route" or do they watch the game tape and say...."wow, this kid has a hard time making those throws"

Nobody who has watched Dolphins football the past two seasons can deny Mike has beaten coverages, at that point it is up to the OL to protect, Ryan to have the nuts to throw it, it be a catchable ball. It really is that simple.

 

It's not a matter of always, or even frequently. Wallace may change tendencies within the realm of normal defensive practices, but he's not drawing any sort of extraordinary attentions. There's this bizarre theory of how coverage works around here that's used to fetishize receivers and it doesn't work in reality.

Even if you grant some of the allegations that are made with Tannehill, you've still got a question as to why Wallace is so totally inept and unproductive on the typical "deep" passes that mortals subsist on. If Tannehill can't hit 40+ yard bombs in stride over the shoulder like he had in Pittsburgh its far less problematic than Wallace not being able to run the routes and position himself to be productive on the overwhelming percentage deep passing plays in the league

 

Watching Bryce Petty throw pretty deep balls over and over is disheartening, to say the least. I'm a Tanny backer but no denying those big play's change games and he needs to improve on executing them.

 

Ironically on the TD to Charles Clay vs the Jets, that picture showed what Wallace opens up for the other pass catchers.

 

In a way that had nothing whatsoever to do with his abilities and everything to do with the play design attacking the coverage appropriately. A receiver attacking the seam between the zones the safeties are responsible for is going to draw the attention of the safeties.

If anything the play demonstrates a total lack of respect given he was primarily covered by a linebacker who was far more interested in doubling Landry anyway.

 

If he was primarily covered by a LB then obviously the S was ALWAYS going to help once Mike reached that area....so the result is he opened it up for Clay. Simple

 

Fin, the point is, that it could have been any receiver, it was play design that opened it up, not the name of the receiver.

 

Well, they aren't going to cover any WR with JUST a LB so in this case that makes sense.

But to claim the opposition gives Mike Wallace the same looks as any basic WR in the league is hard to believ, especially when he gets open deep as much as he does.

 

Yep. Over the past three years, Mike Wallace has been targeted on 91 passes of 20+ yards. He has caught roughly 20% of them.

 

Is this a joke? The problem with Tannehill's down field passing is that he has one of the league's premier down field threats at WR?

 

Omar tweeting that Wallace isn't the only WR that is unhappy with the conservative passing game, and Ryan not being allowed to audible.

The audible thing is a disgrace, you draft this kid top 10, want to give him a 100M...yet you don't trust him to get out of a formation based on the coverage??

This regime is a flat out joke.

 

Tannehills fault. Can't hit a WR over 20 yards in stride... poor accuracy. /end thread

 

Now, it's only just begun.