Hypothetical: Leadership Clearout

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2015 Spring Clean - How Should It Be Done?

  1. Clean House - New GM first hire.

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  2. Clean House - New HC first hire.

    11 vote(s)
    25.0%
  3. Clean House - Lazor as HC first hire.

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  4. Dump Coaches - Hickey can retain/promote.

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  5. Dump Coaches - Hickey cannot retain/promote.

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    11.4%
  1. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    That doesn't make sense.

    This comes down to one of only two possibilities:

    - Either the FO is too stupid to realize Harbaugh made a difference and are willing to let money jeopardize the future.

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    - Harbaugh is such a pain in the *** and egomaniac that it simply isn't worth keeping him around with the talent that team already has.

    Based on the fact that Fo assembled that amazing roster I cannot believe they are stupid. Also, now that the players are turning on Harbaugh, it would certainly point to him being a pain in the ***.
     
  2. DPlus47

    DPlus47 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Obviously, it's never 100% of one thing and 0% of another. So, I'm not trying to 100% contradict you, because I think it's obvious that John is the Harbaugh I'd rather have a beer with.

    You've said yourself, "that FO assembled that amazing roster." IMO, arrogance can make smart people do stupid things. What if there's a little ego there from the FO in thinking, "anyone could coach this team?" This might come up ESPECIALLY if the guy you have as HC is a little bit of a psycho.

    So the team doesn't extend Harbaugh, whose on-field results definitely merit a high-end extension. Players see this, and they hear the rumors of him being traded or being on his way to Michigan or wherever, and they start acting like they're working for a lame duck, because he IS a little bit of a psycho.
     
  3. Fin D

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    The FO has no reason to care how much the coach is paid, it doesn't affect the cap. Also, we're talking about multiple people in the FO that all have to have too large an ego to give Harbaugh credit but not enough ego to think the others in the FO are the reason for the success. That simply doesn't make sense to me.
     
  4. Eop05

    Eop05 Junior Member Club Member

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    Why don't we have a chance at Harbaugh?
     
  5. DPlus47

    DPlus47 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You seem to be in an area where only Harbaugh's negative personality traits are up for consideration. Harbaugh is an egotistical jerk, therefore it's the right thing for the FO to let him walk.

    I understand that the FO is a group of people and Harbaugh is one person, but the Supreme Court considers certain groups of people to be individuals. Whether I agree with that or not, I do think that groups of people can exhibit psychology just like a single person.

    I'm just asking you to try on "Harbaugh is an egotistical jerk, but maybe the FO is making a mistake by letting him walk."

    Also, the bold part doesn't make sense to me. It's not that it goes against my philosophical POV here; I don't get what you're trying to say.
     
  6. Fin D

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    Ok, I'll try again.

    Think of it like this, there's 10 egomaniacs on one side and 1 ego maniac on the other side. According to you, the 10 ego maniacs let their egos get in the way of saying the 1 one lone ego maniac has done anything of merit BUT are perfectly fine saying each of the other ego maniacs have done a lot. Ego maniacs don't work like that, they aren't really team players.

    Furthermore, the severe egos of the individual members of that FO is purely speculative while the severe ego of Harbaugh is not.
     
  7. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Hypothetical.

    GM first. Give him full roster control but make it clear the new coach must have input and a working relationship.

    First HC interviews to Malzahn and Gruden, if Gruden would come back to coaching.
     
  8. flugtager

    flugtager New Member

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    I get you antipathy towards Philbin, but you're not really providing a case against Hickey. IMO Hickey has been serviceable. I like the Earl Mitchell signing. He brought in some UDFA that have shown some promise. Jawuan James has looked pretty good thus far for a rookie, and Jarvis Landry has shown some flash (along with some rookie head scratchers). Lynch and Hazel haven't panned out that counts against a bit but not every draft pick has panned out. Not amazing, but nothing that makes me think this guy has been a train wreck.
     
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    **** Gruden. I said it. I'm so sick of his name coming up in any hypothetical head coach situation.
     
  10. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    The Jets are about to hit a REALLY tough chunk of their schedule, possible 4 or 5 more losses in a row...and already have 2 losses and counting...

    Does Rexy make it through/past 2014 with the Jets? If he doesn't, does the Dolphins bring him in?
     
  11. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    May I ask why? I think in his time off from the game he's come up with some interesting concepts to implenent. He will probably come back a better head coach. I actually want him to coach University Of Miami but it won't happen :lol:
     
  12. Disgustipate

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    I would absolutely love him as a Defensive Coordinator. Head coach, not much
     
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    Galant, you blew it here.

    #6- PermaBan FinD to see if it helps the Dolphins.
     
  14. DPlus47

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    And Harbaugh's ego means its' definitely not a mistake to let him walk if you're the 49ers? Or Harbaugh's ego means it's definitely a mistake for the Dolphins to pursue Harbaugh if he walks?

    Organizations can have blind spots. I don't think it's necessary to inflate it up to "10 egomaniacs" or whatever for the purpose of illustration. It's possible to think, collectively, "We did a great job assembling this team. This guy is a pain in the ***. We should hire someone else, because anyone else would be easier to work with and we did such a great job assembling this team that anyone can coach it."

    Or, maybe you can tell me more about how psychology works and also you can tell me more about what kind of speculation works in this argument and what kind of speculation doesn't work in this argument.
     
  15. Fin D

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    Ok fine. Its everyone BUT Harbaugh. You're right. The entire FO is wrong and are egomaniacs. The players too. Harbaugh is football Jesus, he has no baggage and does everything correct.
     
  16. DPlus47

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    Where did I even imply that. I think your post is more than a little bit cuckoo.
     
  17. Fin D

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    No you started to drop attitude for no reason so what's the point. I've made a cogent argument and you don't agree with it. there was no need for the BS:
    Anyway, its fact that Harbaugh has a rep as a egomaniac. Its fact he's pissed off the FO. Its fact the players are starting to turn. Everything you're saying is not fact and only speculation.
     
  18. DPlus47

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    It's everybody else, and not Fin_D. Fin_D is the message board messiah.

    You have made an absolutist argument that might be cogent, but limits reality to a 1-in-2 proposition in most cases. I'm sorry if my relativity has scared or offended you in some way. I do find it funny that I called Harbaugh a psycho 3 times in my original post, and this means I think he is Jesus. Well done.
     
  19. Fin D

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    Seriously, wtf?

    I didn't do anything to you and was respectful the entire time until you copped an attitude.

    By the way, Chief, you aren't arguing for a broad range of possibilities. You're saying its not Harbaugh's fault, so get the eff your high horse. You too are making an absolutists argument. Yeah you called him psycho but you're saying its not really his fault and you're doing that counter to ANY evidence we actually have.
     
  20. 54Fins

    54Fins "In Gase we trust"

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    over there
    3. Clean House but promote Lazor to HC and make the GM choice from there.

    This one peaked my interest because he's new as a OC and still doesn't know how to get his wr's from not running into each other.
    Why would anyone think he's HC worthy or even knows a qualified GM to take the place of Hickey?
     
  21. flugtager

    flugtager New Member

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    Mainly because every time his name gets thrown into the mix he leverages his position for a nice raise on his tv contract. He's a house cat now, but every year for some reason football fans talk about him like he's beating down the door for a coaching job.
     

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