Miami Heat Road To The Lottery Thread

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  1. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    You dont think we would be losign mightly on that deal?
     
  2. High Definition

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    25-year old center who put up 14/11 with 2 blocks on a horrible team? Not even close. I think he's the perfect compliment for a Wade/Beasley led team, but it probably won't happen.
     
  3. High Definition

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    Pat Riley definitely has something in the works, or at least a few deals on the table in consideration. The thing is, we won't even hear anything about it until it happens.. this is basically what happens almost every August with the Heat. :lol:

    Let's just hope it's not a Ricky Davis type of deal. :escape:
     
  4. alen1

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    Alonzo Mourning has more work on injured knee

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/basketball/heat/sfl-flspheatnote11sbjul11,0,3108236.story
     
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  5. High Definition

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    First thing's first, LINK :D

    First off, this is a major possibility if contract talks go sour with Biedrins.

    I'm not a fan of Al Harrington, and Golden State is obviously trying to get rid of his contract. However, while most teams would be against taking his contract, I'd be all for it. He expires in 2010, and between Harrington, Haslem, and Blount.. that's over $25,000,000 expiring. He'd be the sacrifice for getting Andris Biedrins in a deal, but it's something that I wouldn't even think twice about doing to sure up that center position for the next 10-15 years. If Biedrins is sign-and-traded at $10-12 million, we'd probably be able to add Marcus Banks to the deal. Golden State is loaded with cap space and they don't have a backup PG, so they may be willing to take him.

    I'd do a Biedrins (s&t)/Harrington for Marion and a filler any day of the week. Want Daequan Cook instead of Banks? No problem.

    What could have been..

    Odom/Mihm = fine with me if Marion is going to become a problem.

    I see seven point guards named; I'd pass on 6 of them aside from Lowry.
     
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  6. FinNasty

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    Got any info on Andris Biedrins?
     
  7. High Definition

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    I view Biedrins as a 15/11 type of center with a couple of blocks at the very minimum in the right system. He's got the potential to be better. Nellie's system isn't the right system for him; guards come up the court looking for their shot every possession. But he's 22-years old, already a solid center, and will only get better. Imagine this guy learning from Zo and our defensive minded coaching staff.
     
  8. HardKoreXXX

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    Would LOVE to get Lowry from Memphis. Why are the Heat so desperately looking to deal Marion? Is it only to fill needs or has he expressed a desire to play elsewhere?
     
  9. FinNasty

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    Well, his contract is going to expire after this season, and we have no interest in resigning him for the kind of $$$ he wants. So I think the thinking is to get value for him now while we can...
     
  10. FinNasty

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    I dont know. Maybe I'm overvalueing Marion? If we are trading an All Star calibur player... I want one in return. Is there something about Marion or his contract that makes him less appealing than that of an All Star?
     
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  11. alen1

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    He's thirty years old and will want a big deal. Trade him while you can and receive good compensation. Getting Biedrins would be great for you guys because he is a very efficient player that is also a good rebounder and defender.

    Also, if the Heat were able to get Al Harrington, it would be an absolute steal. I always felt Harrington was underrated. Harrington can give you the ppg as Marion can. Although Marion averages double the rebounds, Harrington is two years younger.
     
  12. alen1

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    Because you can't add without shipping Marion off. Also, he has one year left and would likely be in search for a big deal but the Heat likely won't pay him that because hes 30 and they don't want to have a gap at the 3 so instead they move him now. Ship him off while you can and get some good players in return.
     
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  13. alen1

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    I think you guys will be able to get good deals for him. If the Warriors were to actually go through with a trade involving Biedrins and Harrington for Marion, that would be a heck of a deal for the Heat imo.

    Biedrins is 22 and Harrington is 28 compared to Marions age of 30. Also, as I stated previously, Biedrins is a young, efficient shooter and good defender while Harrington can put up similar numbers to Marion (even though he likely won't need to with Beasley and Wade).
     
  14. Section126

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    What King said is right. Riley is pretty good at keeping a lid on things.

    I think Marion (behind the scenes) will be told that they wish to only extend him at a cap figure of 10 million per year. I don't think he will take it.

    That will trigger one of two responses: A demand of a trade by Marion to a contender. (To get some more of the spot light in a contract year) OR a PUBLIC acknowledgement by Riley that they are indeed shopping Marion.
     
  15. High Definition

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    The problem with Marion is that he's a 3/4, and that's one of the easiest positions in the league when it comes to acquiring talent. Sure, we can acquire an All-Star talent in return for Marion, but it'll likely be another 30+ year old on a pretty bad contract. If you're going to trade the best player in the entire deal, then you better be receiving a young player with crazy potential. Beidrins is that young player with crazy potential, and he plays THE toughest position to find quality in this league. I mean, that's why I'm high on him. I wouldn't move Marion for a PG like Kirk Hinrich + fillers, honestly. It'd have to be a center, or an Odom package knowing that he'll likely take less to stay here long-term, something that Marion will not do.

    I agree with Barry Jackson that Odom/Mihm is the most likely hypothetical scenario, and it's not a bad one at all. When healthy, although he's rarely ever healthy.. Mihm is a decent center. Much better than Mark Blount, and better than what's out there in Kwame Brown and a bunch of has been's. We know what we'd be getting in Odom, and aside from what he does on the court, he's also one of Riley's favorites and a good friend of Wade.

    But I do understand what you're saying here.
     
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    Tyronn Lue close to signing?

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    When commenting on the James Jones signing, Dwyane Wade stated that Miami "will" be bringing in another shooter, as did Pat Riley. Tyronn Lue is just that - 39% from three throughout his 10-year career, and he's a pretty decent defender for his size. I'd be fine with Lue for the small price tag......he'd be a solid mentor for Mario Chalmers as well.
     
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  17. FinSane

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    Cant believe Lue has been in the league for that long. Feels like it was yesterday he was just a young buck. He would be a better option than Dooling, who I like.
     
  18. Big E

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    I dont want Odom back, not when Marion is the trade part. I think Marion is alot better than Odom, personally. And no one else the Lakers have minus Bynum, which we all know wont happen is worth making that trade for. Def. dont want Hughes, unless Hinrich and Tryus Thomas, or Joakim Noah, or even Gooden possibly. And the Clippers have almost no one that interests me whatsoever. Davis maybe....?:shifty:


    edit: Harrington is a smaller version of Odom, btw. Doesn't do anything overly well but does a little of everything.
     
  19. High Definition

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    You'd take Marion on a one year rental over Odom who would be willing to re-sign for about $8 million per year long-term, which would allow us to sign another big name player? I'm taking Odom due to the circumstances. Marion wants $12-15 million per season. He's not worth it at 30-years old. Odom is a guy who could be around beyond 2010, and still allow us to sign a high priced guy.
     
  20. dolfan32323

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    Is Tyronn Lue that much of an upgrade over Quinn?
     
  21. FinSane

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    Not trying to be a jerk, but do you really have to ask?
     
  22. Big E

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    Stop being a jerk..lol



    Yes he is a big upgrade over Quinn. He's ten times the defender.
     
  23. FinSane

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    Im FinSane, you should be honored than Im only being a jerk. :lol:

    and he can score!
     
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    I'm serious. The guy has bounced from team to team and has always been mediocre in my honest opinion.
     
  25. Big E

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    I'm being serious too. He might be a journey man, but he's a quality journey man. Under certain schemes he's an excellent backup. He's by no means a starter IMO, but he's a def. role player.
     
  26. FinSane

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    So has Brent Barry, but every team needs a solid shooter.

    I nevery sport, not all players need to be stars and really good, but you need role players to do their thing in order for you to win. Lue is one of those role players. Like PJ Brown for example, hes no scorer, but hes a great defender and rebounder and teams need that.
     
  27. alen1

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    Still, hes an idiot. He had a good chance of being a starter here if Chalmers isnt ready.
     
  29. alen1

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    Lol yeah. I suspect he will go to PHX because he will be the number two there, where he would be the number three in SA.
     
  30. FinSane

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    Couldve been number one. What a joke. So is it down to Dooling? Or do we have any one else who's decent in mind?
     
  31. alen1

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    Dooling and Felton (He's on the block, you guys should look into him).
     
  32. FinSane

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    Well the Lue thing was over before it even began. Onward to Dooling and Felton.
     
  33. alen1

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    I DOUBT he goes to Europe. Only NBA player that I can think of that has been successful after going to Europe is the guy who had the big forehead in Toronto (I'm going blank). Dooling's waiting for an offer from the Nets.
     
  34. FinSane

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    obviously hes just bluffing. no way hes serious about Europe.
     
  35. alen1

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    Or at least I hope not.
     
  36. Big E

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    We obvuiosly made the right pick in Beasely, Everytime you turn on ESPN, you see something negative about Rose. Heck the season hasn't even started yet!
     
  37. High Definition

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    Dwyane Wade w/ some interesting (and extremely random) Lamar Odom comments:

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    Only because it's appropriate: "Do it, Riles."
     
  38. FinNasty

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    I think we need to get more back in return than just Odom...



    Marion is a better version of Odom... so I think we lose on a straight up trade...
     
  39. alen1

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    Marion is two years older. I don't see how everyone keeps saying he is a better version than Odom. They put up the same numbers. I think you guys get better on the trade because Odom will stick longer with you guys and won't ask for a ludicrous contract. If you guys get more back than just a swap, that would be a steal but I'm not sure what you guys could get. Ask for maybe Ariza?
     
  40. FinNasty

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    Well, I wouldnt be asking for them to throw in Kobe... lol.

    I think Marion is more explosive on offense... and a better defender.

    The age difference could play into it a little, but by how much? It isnt like they are that far apart in age.


    I'm sure the contract stuff plays into it as well... but in terms of their ability and talent... I think Marion is better on both ends of the floor...
     

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