Cocaine.....doesn't pass the smell test....... Look at the picture again. The bill he is using has been rolled up before, you can see the bottom of it already rolling up a bit. Users tend to use the same bill because it is easier to roll a bill the second time, and third time, etc. The folding a bill for the bathroom attendant doesn't pass my smell test and Manziel is arrogant enough to do what he wants when he wants. He's already proven that. If we are throwing out assumptions, why not assume he was rolling the bill prior to entering the stall.
Hes a douchebag..but when it comes to football, Just let the kid play..don't constrict him, don't force him, let Him play, you work your offense around his skillset, not the Other way around.. Good luck NFL defenses..
They said the same thing about Michael Vick. Worked out terrible. Vick only evolved when he was constricted and forced to play within in the system. Johnny Manziel succeeded in college only because the game is slower. If he doesn't fix his tremendous mechanical issues and erratic decision making, he's going to get murdered.
I'm not into comparing two different qbs and insisting the same result will happen... What could derail him?, yes injury, however that doesn't mean while healthy he can't be very successful, personally the question is can he play at this level..
What could derail him? Let's start with the fact that physically is not faster or stronger than the players that will be chasing him and playing contain against him when he tries to roll out of the pocket. Michael Vick was a better physical specimen than the guys chasing him. So is RG3. So is Russell Wilson. Johnny Manziel? He runs a 4.63, 31.5 inch vertical, 9'4" broad jump. Nothing to write home about. He's Christian Ponder (without the size), not Robert Griffin. It gets a little harder to make those miracle passes against your body outside the pocket when the guy chasing you is closing on you and interfering with your free air space. The next problem he'll have is mental. When he tries to stay in the pocket because defenders have the rush lanes closed down, is he going to read the field, step up and make his throws? Or will he have forgotten a certain coverage he was supposed to be studying but put on the back burner because a friend showed up with an 8-ball.
" he's Christian ponder without the size" That might be the silliest thing I've read coming from you.. He has every bit the elusiveness as the great ones in the game today, Kap, Wilson, rg3.. He's a gifted playmaker, if you can't win with that style then that's your opinion, that's on you, i believe I can win with his style..and I believe just in a football sense, his game will translate to the next level. Just because someone can run a little faster or jump a little higher doesn't mean they have elite escapability..escapability talent has nothing to do with speed or vert.
Athletically absolutely he is 100% Christian Ponder without the size or strength. And it's the athleticism which will limit his total escapability when he's facing guys that won't be working in sales & marketing departments when they graduate.
Once again I think your confusing measurables to specific athleticism. Ponder doesn't have the keen sense of predicting where the pressure is coming from, no one does actually as well asManziel sees it, it's on another level. I know the escapability element of a Qb, I've been watching it very closely since mike Vick was in college, I know when it's elite, and when it is, there's no stopping it, and I don't care what freakin league their in. You might wanna read joe Haden, browns team leader comments on Manziel..he's a big fan.
Really perfect example of what I'm talking about with Manziel on that first drive of his pro career. It's 3rd & 1, they call an option play and get him out into space to his left. All he's got to do is get a yard. But the fact of the matter is most of the defense are better athletes than him. He just looked...insufficient. He had space, but he couldn't get that yard. Cam Newton would have, easily. RG3 would have, easily. Russell Wilson would have. That's why I compared him athletically to Christian Ponder. He's not all that compelling an athlete. He's got to be a compelling QUARTERBACK. And we are just going to have to wait and see how he progresses that way.
There's a world of difference when you're a better athlete than the people chasing you compared to when you're the slower guy.
I thought he looked good all things considered. He looked like he belonged in the NFL to be honest, will he be great? Maybe not but I thought he looked good. I think he'll be starting in Cleveland before the year is out.
He didn't look overwhelmed. Didn't look effective either. Missed throws you can't miss. Had some other really keen throws. Held onto a ball on 4th & 1 with a WIDE OPEN fullback in front of him ready to secure the 1st down. If the guy bearing down on him is a starter, that's a turnover on downs. Missed some other reads including a 3rd down he pulled down.
What a play by Logan Thomas for the touchdown. If Manziel did that, the internet would go crazy about how he should be starting. Week one in the Logan Thomas/Johnny Manziel debate, Logan Thomas wins.
Logan always had the arm talent... just very erratic when he was with the Hokies... The Hokies didn't have much offensive weapons though.... As far as Manziel goes, we'll see what he looks next week but so far he, Derek Carr and Bridgewater looked very uncomfortable with the game speed.
Bruce Arians might be at it again, man. People wrote this kid off as a TE prospect, and first preseason game he comes out and goes 11/12 with a really nice TD play. I haven't seen him look that comfortable and accurate in a long time. Definitely someone to keep an eye on this month. Arians is already one of the best coaches in the NFL (if not THE best) with a ridiculously good resume. Turning Logan Thomas into an actual NFL QB would be shocking, but at the same time not so shocking. The guy is just an unbelievable coach. I wish we got more NFC west games on TV where I live. That division race is going to be so fierce. In other news...sh-t man, what about that performance is gonna get Andre Johnson at all interested in this offense. Yikes. I really feel for the guy. As for Manziel...that was fun. But it's really hard to imagine that kind of play translating to when he faces starting defenses who are game-planning for him. I seems to me that he's going to have to re-wire some of his instincts, and that's really hard to do.
I'm not wishing Manziel any bad or anything, but at the same time I don't really care if he's successful. I think there are many other starting quarterbacks that deserve more attention than Manziel. Manziel is getting Tebow treatment and I thought we would have learned from that already... When a rookie quarterback that plays in Cleveland of all places is getting more attention than names like Aaron Rodgers.. that's just weird to me... hell even more attention than Stafford is weird to me and Stafford isn't a Top 10 QB..
All Cardinals QBs looked really good. They get it over there in Zona as far as passing game, more than most of the league, that's my take, and they have really good receivers.
That's the one play I noticed as well. I didn't understand why he wouldn't throw to the fullback on that play.
I thought that was a great play, high percentage. He chose to run it because he could make it and he can make that play, sure thing. The pass was more risky, too many things can go wrong. If that was Brady, then pass would be the preferred play, less risky.
He's lucky he wasn't tackled for a loss. Like I said if that's Mario Williams or really any starter-caliber player chasing him down, that probably would have been a turnover of downs. Like Limbo said he's got to rewire some of his instincts...don't think that's going to work out for him. Especially if he keeps doing cocaine.
This would be the first time in a while for Zona to "get it" in the passing game. Since Warner retired it has been crappy quarterback after crappy quarterback over there.
Bortles and Jax youth lookin' legit. Meanwhile Johnny Football is already getting fined for showing up late.
The Browns have a good defense but their offense is atrocious... they might be the worst team in the NFL..
Looks as expected to me. Very active in the pocket, the expected occasional fastball into dirt on midrange throws over the middle. Very similar to what we saw at A&M. I have not seen any screens on his drives, which hurts his rhythm and the stats. Both Manziel and Hoyer are inaccurate so far. I expect this from manziel at this point.
Manziel and Hoyer painful to watch. Yikes. That D is nasty though, love that unit. If the Skins get decent QB play that offense could be top-notch. Playmakers everywhere...run game, intermediate mismatch guys, wideouts who run routes, go deep, and make plays with the ball in their hands. That's a dangerous offense if RG3 plays steady in the pocket...which remains to be seen...
Gotta love the Browns going balls to the wall in preseason. LeBron's in town; gotta compete with that show, I guess.
Manziel looks really average in an offense with a ton of issues. He doesn't have the speed or size to break away from NFL talent like he did against College teams so he's going to have to really change his game which is expected. He might be good in the long run but its going to be a long year if he's being chased around and Gordon is out for the year. They could be a 3 win team very easily although their defense could keep them in most games.
I don't think Browns should change his college game much, but that is what they are doing and it's always a recipe for disaster. That's a sure way to ruin a young QB.
Kind of like how the Broncos wanted to change Tebow's throwing motion, meanwhile he was pretty damn accurate for Florida when he didn't act as a fullback.
I swear to God, this Manziel kid is the real life Kenny Powers of football (minus the arm like rocket, and mind of a ****ing scientist)
I'm sure he's going to complain again that the problem isn't him, it's that everyone's always looking to take his picture doing something. Never mind the fact that what he's doing is clearly intended for SHOW. Just like a ton of other sh-t he gets caught on camera doing. I thought the clip of the Browns PR man informing Johnny that viewers tweeted pictures of him flipping the bird was pure gold. Oh and also from a pure football standpoint, Manziel looked borderline awful. His athleticism is nothing really to speak of on an NFL field. They ran an option play and he made the right call to keep the ball because the defensive end had bit down to the inside, however that defensive end just turned around and ran with Johnny pursuing him all the way out to the sidelines without any trouble. Johnny took either a zero gain on the play or maybe a tiny gain. In the NFL all these guys have speed. On third down he predictably tries to go all Johnny Football on the pass rush and they just react and meet him in the backfield for a sack.
Yea, I thought he looked pretty awful in the game (which I was surprised by, because while I don't think highly of him as an NFL prospect, I didn't expect him to look so poor), and yet somehow I didn't feel like he lost significant ground to Hoyer.
