****The Official 2013-14 NBA Thread****

Not a chance he is returning that much per year sam. That is too drastic a paycut.

Maybe you read it wrong.."return" 7 million per year to THE Heat..

Which means he will make around 13-14 mil per year instead of 21.

 

This is all anyone wanted. Thank you Wade.

Now we wait on Bosh/Bron.

 

I think we are reading and hearing the same thing but are looking at it differently. I read yours as him RETURNING FOR 7 million per. My 13 million figure is roughly what his salary would be.

I see what you are saying now. Our figures are similar.

 

The Knicks and Pistons would have beat any of those teams pretty easily. None of the teams of the Eastern Conference in recent memory other than the Heat have been anything special. None of them would have progressed past the 2nd round in the West. The Spurs team that the Heat beat last year was the only team I would call "great" that they have faced. That doesn't mean the Heat weren't great. I mean the 85 Bears played one of the worst teams ever in the Superbowl, the 85 Pats (we choked that year, still bitter about that) but they are justifiably considered a great team. The argument about the competition in the East is legit, its not really fair because the Heat can't help it if most of the teams in the West are run better and there is more talent out there but it is what it is.

 

I don't think that is fair to say. You have to realize these teams played in a different era with different rules, and teams now are constructed to take advantage of those rules the same way those older teams were constructed for their era. You really can't say what would happen if either team played in either era.

It's like when people say the Jordan Bulls would crush the Lebron Heat because they played tough defense and Jordan would go off with todays defensive rules. That's a contradiction since if those Bulls teams played the same style of defense they did in the 90's today they would be in the penalty 4 minutes into the quarter.

No-one can know what would happen if a team left an entirely different era and played today.

 

Could not disagree more. The 11' Celtics and 12' Celtics (heat beat both) were light years better than ANY of those teams Jordan beat.

Those Celtic teams had three HOFers + Rondo....

Jordan beat a bunch of 1 Hof player teams. Just a fact.

And again...Bulls and pacers had HISTORICALLY good defenses.

 

I think people let their imagination color things.

The Jordan era Bulls were in an incredibly WEAK period of NBA history.

 

Btw..when all is said and done..the OKC team the heat beat might of had 4 hall of famers on it as well. For sure..two.

 

Agreed.

The thing is that to me, once the era is over its easy to look back and forget how good/bad the opponents really were. For example in twenty years there may be a new powerhouse and people will say "Who did they beat? Those Heat teams beat the Pacers who could have made it to the finals in another era, the Celtics had three-four HOF players etc."

The new generation will forget what was said about these teams in the moment and paint them as powerhouses that were denied by us.

 

The Pistons had 3 HOFers and were coming off back-to-back titles. Jordan's Bulls swept them. Just a fact.

 

Imagine of LeBron got to play when superstars got favorable calls, and he was able to use his hands to move people.

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And counting is not a fact.. Again that is arrogance. I called out fellow Yankee fans during the 96-2003 run who thought we would win it every year.

The Heat should be great next year yes but they are not a lock to win another ring. That doesnt make me a "hater".

 

HOFers on their last leg. Sorry there is no chance that team beats the teams I mentioned. They wouldn't have made it out of the West those years either. The East has been garbage since the Heat's big three were formed, its not really an arguable point. Like I said before that does not mean the Heat are not great and it doesn't mean they aren't an all time great team. Just means the teams they played in the East suck.

 

There were a good team but Durant is on a different level now, the team was really good that year though. I do think the Spurs team that the Heat beat were great though.

 

You can argue the teams we played this year sucked minus Indiana but the first two-three seasons there was great competition.

 

Rodman was not a hof caliber player then...but fine...then lets compare that team to the Celtics..pretty close.

 

Disagree. Those guys were at end of prime..but fresh off a finals appearance and were still effective.

 

And Lebrons Heat beat those Celtics 4-1. Also a fact.

 

Seriously..is this a debate? Washed up Pistons with in prime Rodman vs. Washed up Celtics with in prime Rondo?

Celtics in 6.

 

What era's rule book?

 

Put Pippen on the Knicks and you guys are probably multiple champions and who knows if Jordan ever even wins one.

As much as I hate the Knicks I understand it must suck to see such a great player never win it a title. Its why Heat fans were so happy when Alonzo came back and won one.

 

Not to disagree totally but I think the Heat get a bad rap for being soft. In the Spur series I think it was obvious the only time we dominated them for any stretch was when we were allowed to be very physical defensively in stretches.

 

You don't think LeBron and Wade would benefit from being able to abuse people defensively? It would make the Heat defense that much better. This isn't the same thing as the NFL where CBs being able to play more physical affected great QBs. This isn't a unilateral advantage.

 

Hmm. Is that what Riley meant by "Wade is a Heat for life"?

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I don't think we had trouble with their physicality. They aren't physical, they are punks after the whistle abd between plays. If Ewing is going to blow in Lebrons ear maybe.

 

Miami beat the Pacers three years in a row.

 

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Does that stupid yes chant

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES

 

IMO Lebron in particular would have thrived in a more physical league. One of his biggest advantages is that he's bigger and stronger than most people. In a more physical league that size and strength would have served him well. And people forget that even though individual physicality was greater, there were far fewer double teams as there were no zones and illegal defense was more strictly enforced. Back then it was all about one on one play. Lebron against only one defender would have been devastating.

 

Boik to be clear does Melo have to opt in or out? In other words if the deadline passes with no word is he a FA or Knick?