In your opinion, in mine it's about finding more players than the other guys which allows your squad to be a consistent contenders, a dynasty.
A dynasty starts with winning the Lombardi. Every year every team's goal is to win the Lombardi. Every year in January/Feb every team reevaluates itself and prepares a new plan for the upcoming seaason to win the Lombardi. There is only one plan, and it is for the upcoming season. The only thing that matters is the upcoming season, there are no other plans, there is nothing else.
A #3 overall pick is not peanuts. Not are the #12 and #42 picks combined. That's not peanuts. And that "blue chip" player has trouble getting on the field and also has trouble making an impact when he's on it.
It's not about "expecting" both guys to be full time. Never said that. It's about limiting your upside. Any security in which you invest carries upside and downside risk. The potential reward for nailing the investment is absolutely essential to the pick's expected value, because there's a definite chance you will instead find yourself in a downside scenario. Such is life when you're investing in risky assets be they equities or football players. If by some set of circumstances you are capping off the potential upside of the investment, that changes the value of the investment. It increases the ratio of downside to potential upside.
I still really can't figure out what this catch radius issue supposedly is with Allen Robinson. I don't see anything even close to it, and I'm not even sure which plays are supposed to be evidence of it. I've mapped out 70 catches and from 8 games of Allen Robinson and I have about 30 of them that clearly involved some pretty significant adjustment on the football in the air whether it be catching the football outside his frame, having to crouch down for a ball that was placed down at his knees or even lower, balls that were highly underthrown, balls that he had to turn around and reach back for, or balls that he had to pluck off the front shoulder with his hands outside his frame. The only thing I can think is perhaps it's throwing you off that 40 of those 70 catches were nice and easy right in the numbers or at the facemask. Christian Hackenberg is a promising young quarterback, formerly the top QB recruit in the nation. When he throws the ball accurately, it tends to be REAL accurate and it tends to come in on a zipline. Robinson also made some of those nice and easy catches happen by adjusting to the football with his feet whether it be slowing down slightly or showing a last second burst, which is exactly what a receiver should do. Those little adjustments during the ball's flight can make all the difference between having to awkwardly spin around and twirl to catch a football behind you, and catching a nice and easy one right at your facemask. He shouldn't be punished for that. Nor should he be punished for his promising young QB's good ball placement skills. Throughout the tape you just constantly see catch after impressive catch, adjustment after impressive adjustment. You even see the man catching the football while being interfered with. Did he catch everything? No. I was harsh in my grading and I had him with 7 balls he was in position to haul in whether it was perfectly thrown or would've required a good amount of adjusting. I'm not sure how many of them would be considered "drops" by various statistical services. My guess is only about 2 or 3 of them. I also had him being blatantly interfered with 9 times in the 8 games. He caught one of them. I know there was another one featuring DPI he caught back in 2012. I think catch radius is a big plus on Allen Robinson. He has tremendous hand-eye coordination, body control and the ability to adjust on the football in the air, keep balance and transition into run after catch. Big plus for him that way. If I had to guess why the media don't have him in the 1st round I would say likely because his "official" 40 time at the Combine was a 4.60. It's really that simple. CATCHES Falling: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkRgWc8pSQw&feature=player_embedded#t=169 Falling: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkRgWc8pSQw&feature=player_embedded#t=1 Falling: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBJxT18cggo&feature=player_embedded#t=33 Falling: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XjPVcKDF00&feature=player_embedded#t=66 Falling: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XjPVcKDF00&feature=player_embedded#t=94 Low-Ball: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-cuNKb4Kjk&feature=player_embedded#t=178 Front-Shoulder: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-cuNKb4Kjk&feature=player_embedded#t=129 Front-Shoulder: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBJxT18cggo&feature=player_embedded#t=78 Front-Shoulder: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBJxT18cggo&feature=player_embedded#t=312 Front-Shoulder: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xm3MFgJaD4&feature=player_embedded#t=169 Front-Shoulder: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-cuNKb4Kjk&feature=player_embedded#t=3 Over-the-Shoulder: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKtQnQAF07w&feature=player_embedded#t=45 Over-the-Shoulder: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKtQnQAF07w&feature=player_embedded#t=271 Over-the-Shoulder: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBJxT18cggo&feature=player_embedded#t=277 Behind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHTTds-XsMU&feature=player_embedded#t=209 Behind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHTTds-XsMU&feature=player_embedded#t=55 Behind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKtQnQAF07w&feature=player_embedded#t=207 Behind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBJxT18cggo&feature=player_embedded#t=255 Underthrow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XjPVcKDF00&feature=player_embedded#t=282 Underthrow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xm3MFgJaD4&feature=player_embedded#t=21 Underthrow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzCrpLd_uqc&feature=player_embedded#t=148 High-Point (DPI): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzCrpLd_uqc&feature=player_embedded#t=280 High-Point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkRgWc8pSQw&feature=player_embedded#t=136 High-Point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBJxT18cggo&feature=player_embedded#t=342 High-Point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xm3MFgJaD4&feature=player_embedded#t=82 High-Point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-cuNKb4Kjk&feature=player_embedded#t=45 High-Point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkRgWc8pSQw&feature=player_embedded#t=127 High-Point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHTTds-XsMU&feature=player_embedded#t=143 Contested: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHTTds-XsMU&feature=player_embedded#t=112 NO CATCH Falling (PBU): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-cuNKb4Kjk&feature=player_embedded#t=162 Falling (PBU): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBJxT18cggo&feature=player_embedded#t=237 Falling (PBU): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XjPVcKDF00&feature=player_embedded#t=209 Falling (PBU): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XjPVcKDF00&feature=player_embedded#t=399 Underthrow (PBU): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkRgWc8pSQw&feature=player_embedded#t=267 Shoe-Top (PBU): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkRgWc8pSQw&feature=player_embedded#t=332 Chest Level (DPI): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzCrpLd_uqc&feature=player_embedded#t=171 Jump-Ball (DPI): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzCrpLd_uqc&feature=player_embedded#t=212 Over-Throw (DPI): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzCrpLd_uqc&feature=player_embedded#t=272 Over-Throw (DPI): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xm3MFgJaD4&feature=player_embedded#t=55 Falling (DPI): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-cuNKb4Kjk&feature=player_embedded#t=72 Underthrow (DPI): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHTTds-XsMU&feature=player_embedded#t=165 Back-Shoulder (DPI): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHTTds-XsMU&feature=player_embedded#t=234 Underthrow (DPI): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkRgWc8pSQw&feature=player_embedded#t=359 Jump-Ball (Bad Jump): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHTTds-XsMU&feature=player_embedded#t=183 Shoe-Top (Drop): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-cuNKb4Kjk&feature=player_embedded#t=54 Front-Shoulder (Drop): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHTTds-XsMU&feature=player_embedded#t=47 High-Point (Drop): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBJxT18cggo&feature=player_embedded#t=12 Contested (Drop): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBJxT18cggo&feature=player_embedded#t=428 Behind (Drop): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XjPVcKDF00&feature=player_embedded#t=165 Chest-Level (Drop): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XjPVcKDF00&feature=player_embedded#t=326
I notice some people trying to put Odell Beckham above Mike Evans. This is funny to me. When Mike Evans faced Auburn he had a ridiculous outing. We're talking 11 catches for 287 yards and 4 TDs. In one game. He had to face Auburn's best corner Chris Davis for most of the day and he did some good work against him. When he got to face Jonathon Mincy, he destroyed and demoralized him without fail. He salted the earth over Mincy's corpse. He also did some nice damage on CB Ryan White, jumping over his would-be tackle for a touchdown. [video=youtube;IohXY1W3ZvY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IohXY1W3ZvY[/video] But when Odell Beckham played against Auburn, he did so against a secondary missing their best player Chris Davis...yet Beckham struggled anyway. He was blanketed and physically dominated by both Ryan White AND Jonathon Mincy (the same guy who was turned into a loose sock by Mike Evans). Here's what I'm talking about with Beckham against Auburn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPF871mz8h0&feature=player_embedded#t=0 Mincy knocked a deep ball right out of Beckham's hands as he was trying to secure it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPF871mz8h0&feature=player_detailpage#t=122 On an underneath catch, Beckham couldn't break Mincy's tackle and go zero yards after catch even though he had plenty of space to work with. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPF871mz8h0&feature=player_detailpage#t=134 On a slant pattern White had Beckham physically dominated. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPF871mz8h0&feature=player_detailpage#t=184 Mincy was generally able to keep up with Beckham deep. Ryan White physically manhandled Beckham at the line and this kept Beckham from running a route that could create separation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPF871mz8h0&feature=player_detailpage#t=196 & Replay http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPF871mz8h0&feature=player_detailpage#t=206 More of Mincy easily keeping up with Beckham on vertical patterns. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPF871mz8h0&feature=player_detailpage#t=236 Beckham catches a ball underneath White's off coverage but again, no RAC. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPF871mz8h0&feature=player_detailpage#t=252 Ryan White jams up Beckham and easily stays with him down the field but a phantom DPI call bails Beckham out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPF871mz8h0&feature=player_detailpage#t=337 Ryan White gets his revenge a few downs later defending Beckham one-on-one in the end zone. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPF871mz8h0&feature=player_detailpage#t=354 Jonathon Mincy takes his turn blanketing Beckham easily in the end zone. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPF871mz8h0&feature=player_detailpage#t=377 Odell Beckham finally starts punching back, catching underneath Mincy's deep off coverage then making him eat dirt for some YAC. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPF871mz8h0&feature=player_detailpage#t=389 Not against Mincy or White but a nice diving catch over the middle for Beckham. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPF871mz8h0&feature=player_detailpage#t=412 But then when he has to face White again, Beckham is physically dominated on this screen play. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPF871mz8h0&feature=player_detailpage#t=428 Beckham now starting to show some frustration with White's coverage, committing offensive pass interference. Was a clean play for Beckham until he stretched that arm out like that, didn't need to do it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPF871mz8h0&feature=player_detailpage#t=470 Putting this into classic FF scoring, both Odell Beckham and Mike Evans had 41% of their total season's FF points stuffed into only 2 games. The difference is Mike Evans had those 2 games against Alabama and Auburn while Odell Beckham had his 2 games against Furman and UAB. And people want Beckham over Evans? Me = not getting it. Overall I don't know how anyone could take Beckham over Mike Evans unless you're convinced Evans just won't even show up to work, or won't stay out of prison, or both.
Take it from someone who has/had outstanding hands and an expansive catch radius, Robinson's are only average, and what I saw on film was confirmed during the combine. Here's the stuff I noticed while watching his film. 1. Waits for ball to get in to his body where he's more comfortable catching it. In the NFL that's a pass broken up if there's a corner on his hip. http://www.youtube.com/t=100 2. Shaky double catch outside of his catch-radius comfort zone. http://www.youtube.com/t=169 3. Can't fully tell on this one but looks like it goes through his hands. http://www.youtube.com/t=16 4. Lets a little swing pass get into his chest b/c he's attempting it with thumbs up. http://www.youtube.com/t=207 He's wearing white gloves, so the thumbs pointing skyward are easy to see. 5. Simple WR screen gets in on him. Again, thumbs to the sky and uses his chest as a 3rd hand. No excuse for this at this level. http://www.youtube.com/t=236 6. Another shaky double-catch. http://www.youtube.com/#t=272 7. Ball is outside of his comfort zone. Drop. http://www.youtube.com/=51 8. This nearly squirted past him b/c his left hand is underneath out of place. Basically a 1-handed catch that's assisted by his left hand. Left hand should be on top, thumb to thumb and closing like a clam shell, not pinky to pinky. http://www.youtube.com/t=131 9. Ball is outside his comfort zone. Drop. http://www.youtube.com/t=163 10. Easy WR screen. Has to drop almost to his knee in order to position the ball into his comfort zone [his chest] rather than extending his arms to his stomach for the catch and create a seamless transition from receiver to runner like a natural hands catcher does. http://www.youtube.com/t=44 11. Jumps to adjust his body to situate the ball into his comfort zone rather than extending his hands just above his helmet and catching in stride. http://www.youtube.com/t=176 12. High throw out of his comfort zone. Squirts through fingers. http://www.youtube.com/t=257 13. Jumps 10 inches to position this throw into his comfort zone rather than extending his hands a tad and catching in stride. Drops it. http://www.youtube.com/t=326 14. Hops 6 inches in order to position the ball into his numbers rather than catching it eye level in stride like a normal hands catcher with good hand-eye coordination would. Besides having to position his body to make a catch that shouldn't require adjusting, it allows the corner to make up ground after the catch. http://www.youtube.com/t=368 15. Needlessly goes to the ground in order to position a throw into his comfort zone that would've otherwise hit him in the belly in stride. Cost himself another potential big play after the catch. http://www.youtube.com/t=0 16. Out of his comfort zone. Goes through his hands. http://www.youtube.com/t=84 17. Needs 3 hands again to catch this per usual. Just another example of an ooh-ahh play in college that could easily be broken up by a tight playing NFL corner reaching in. http://www.youtube.com/t=302 18. A rare throw that he's forced to extend his hands horizontally for. Dropped. http://www.youtube.com/t=329 19. High throw, goes through his fingers. Not an easy catch but this is becoming a theme as too many of these arm-extended attempts are falling incomplete. http://www.youtube.com/t=12 20. Yet another throw that he lets get in on him. 3rd & 7 conversion that's probably broken up vs an NFL corner. Looks like thumbs to the sky again. http://www.youtube.com/t=136 21. Another 3rd down throw he lets get in on him which could be disrupted in the NFL. 32 inch arms that rarely extend 6 inches beyond his chest. http://www.youtube.com/#t=170 22. This is what you're gonna see in the NFL- throws getting in on him with a DB on his hip disrupting it up b/c he can't extend his arms to catch out front while using his body as a shield or boxing out. http://www.youtube.com/t=424 23. Another drop he has to extend his arms for. http://www.youtube.com/#t=47 If these were isolated instances it'd be fine.... but it's a pattern, one that tells me he's not a natural hands catcher and could have some problems in the NFL where: throws will be on top of him as soon as he's out of his break and thus making his inconsistent hand positioning problematic and making it difficult for him to situate throws into his comfort zone; coverage will be tighter and thus more able to get hands in to disrupt his body catching; quarterbacks are throwing harder rather than the frequently easy balls Hackenberg dishes out; 28% of his receptions won't come from screens; and 48% wont come on comebacks where he can see it in easier and position throws into his comfort zone easier. These aren't correctable lack of concentration issues where he's already looking to make plays after the catch. When you isolate the throws that are away from his chest, too high of a percentage results in either drops, double catches, shaky catches, poor hand positioning, or unnecessary body adjustments needed to position the ball into his chest. That's not the sign of someone with tremendous hand-eye coordination or a confident, reliable catch radius, and it's masked by his QB and OC doing a good job of keeping him out of situations where he has to extend his arms to catch the ball. He got those 28% screens and 48% comebacks from his OC and he was given a high percentage of throws hitting him between the numbers from Hackenberg [like you already mentioned]. Sure, he's got a great catch radius when going up for 50-50 balls or fades, but on normal throws that falls outside of his numbers, he might as well have dachshund arms. When he has to either hop or fall to the ground in order to catch throws slightly above or below his chest, that's not a sign of maintaining balance and transitioning to run after the catch IMO. And his "body control and ability to adjust on the football in the air" that you speak of, as good as it is, becomes overkill. Yes, he does make tons of decent body adjustments on footballs in the air, but that's b/c he can't make the adjustments with his arms; therefore that shouldn't be viewed as a positive. Nearly every throw that's above his eyes he has to jump or hop for, and nearly every throw that's below his chest or slightly out in front he has to go to the ground for. Now, when you pair the mild concerns about his separation ability with his need to have the ball hit him in the chest as a consistent body catcher, that's leaving a larger window for DB's to make plays. You've got a 6'3 guy who might as well be 5'8 on normal routes b/c he lets everything get in on him rather than using his advantageous length to create body separation. I mean honestly, what's Robinson gonna do in the NFL if he does happen to have trouble separating from certain corners while also letting every throw get in on him? That's a PD waiting to happen. To me he's an athlete playing receiver and possesses a high bust potential. On top of the aforementioned stuff there's clearly question marks about route running and laziness as blocker & route runner, and his occasional laziness at the LOS tips off plays.
I love Beckham and even I'm not boldly silly enough to put him ahead of Evans. The only thing that could allow Beckham to surpass Evans is Evans himself IMO.
I really don't understand the love for Beckham especially at 19. I would take Lee or Cooks ahead of him all day and twice on sundays. For a guy on such a star studded team his numbers over his college career are very average. Lee joined a star studded team and excelled. As the QB play went down so did his numbers as well as dealing with injuries. Bowl game shows exactly what kind of player you get when he's healthy. Stud.
With Marqise Lee I get some of the same concerns as Beckham though. I wonder if Lee wilts a little much when he's faced with physically aggressive coverage. Cooks doesn't wilt at all...but he's small enough that bigger frames can definitely still dominate him regardless of his posture. I don't buy this idea that Allen Robinson has trouble catching the ball in challenging situations except wait a minute he caught all these balls in challenging situations and hardly dropped anything stuff.
Thoughts on Defensive Tackle options at 19? Curious to see how people stack up the top four or five guys: Donald, Hageman, Nix, Jernigan, Sutton. Feel like the position could be an interest in the first round?
I don't think Sutton is a serious consideration at 19 and Nix should definitely not be a serious consideration there. Aaron Donald would be a best player available option at 19 overall if for some reason he fell. Hageman is good enough to be taken there but not good enough to overcome the simple fact that Miami has 3 quality defensive tackles and don't necessarily need to spend a 1st rounder on a 4th. Jernigan falls victim to the same problem.
Holy crap, has anyone seen what jared Odrick has done to his body, there is a pic in the gallery at the official site, unfortunately I don't know how to post one from the iPad, but he's shredded, looks to be about 275. I think their fed up with the 0 technique and want Starks, Mitchell and Odrick to knife and penetrate.
Damn. Maybe we're gonna be seeing him at end again. He should be even more effective as a nickel rusher at that size. Maybe our dreams come true and Jordan moves to SAM while Odrick becomes the base DE who reduces down in passing situations.
I don't care what he's done to his body he is a wholly uninteresting player at end while being much more interesting inside. I would leave him inside and run a heavy rotation of he, Mitchell and Starks. Don't make the same mistake twice. That's what I say.
Dang I might crack the top 100 after all in Play the Draft. I'm currently 108th in the Mel Kiper Challenge and the highest ranked among traders who have been playing for less than a month.
There's no problem with Odrick playing DE inherently, Miami's defensive alignment rules make it a bit problematic. Cameron Wake as a left-side only guy means the normal set of shifts that go with the defense are altered, and too often Odrick was lined up wide of a left tackle with a tight end away from him. If he was a consistent 5/6 technique on the strong side in base packages it'd be another deal.
Jumping in late on the long/short term discussion: I don't like building all for one year (unless you are a team situated like the Broncos - uber close and QB close to retirement). But anymore you have to truly to build for winning in 2-3 years. There is free agency and a lack of longevity. Just think about the team in 2 years. We will have to replace Wake at that point and likely several other spots.
Donald, Nix, and Billy Turner go at it on twitter lol https://twitter.com/Big_Mountain77/status/461307649972117504
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 1m Ozzie Newsome tells reporters they’ve already gotten calls about No. 17. Big-time value spot. Teams looking for a WR may want to jump #Jets.
"Y'all beat University of Phoenix online" was hilarious, lol. Also pretty hilarious when Nix asked for Turner to post pics of his rings and Turner posted his FCS National Championship rings, Nix replied with a picture of three ring pops.
The 11th pick could be a key value spot too for similar reasons. Possibly the "Last Chance" for top-level guys Lewan, Barr, or Donald before the Giants-Rams-Bears pick 12-14.
We only gave up the #42 pick to move up to the third overall, we aquired more value and decreased the loss of the #42 from the relative value of going from 12 to 3 in the process..
hilarious, they trained together and became friends [video=youtube;mDLFElGFtGc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDLFElGFtGc[/video]
There was a lot of talk about no trades awhile back because the draft is deep, but there will be plenty of opportunity for trades, even for the Phins at 19.
...and? The #3 overall pick is not peanuts. Nor are the #12 and #42 picks combined. That's not peanuts.
I dunno, all looks very nitpicky and looks like a double-standard compared with other receiver in my opinion. He gets criticized for hopping 6 to 10 inches a little unnecessarily before a catch yet I see Sammy Watkins and Odell Beckham execute full leaps unnecessarily. He gets criticized for a drop here and there even though his drop percentage is well within reason (see Peshak's work) and even though I can go to the Georgia game alone and pinpoint three times Sammy Watkins had a ball "slip through his hands" because it was "out of his comfort zone". He gets criticized for digging balls that are thrown at his knees out of the ground thumbs up even though that's exactly what you need to do with a low ball. He gets criticized for going to the ground "unnecessarily" on a slant pattern even though it was 3rd & 6 and the ball was thrown at his knees and he knew his top priority was to secure the catch. I suppose some people prefer their wide receiver to get greedy and reach downward to pluck a ball off his knees while not breaking stride even though this would endanger the catch and 1st down on 3rd & 6. That's not how I would coach my players though. He gets criticized for using his body to shield the catch over the middle and then has it hypothesized that he'll have passes broken up at the next level because he does so, even though he's shown more ability to catch balls through physical contact than just about every receiver in the draft. Head scratcher.
Cooks does the jump on a decent amount of his catches too, it's something I noted when I first charted him way back in November: I think that's just one of those little traits that wouldn't be too hard to be coached out for any WR.
I think if you could tease that habit out of Brandin Cooks' game then he would have a lot better YAC averages because he's got all kinds of latent RAC skills going on there.
I agree with this notion if the receiver has also displayed the ability to snatch away from his body well. In Robinson's case however, all the little hops and dives, as insignificant as they might seem on the surface, are indicative of a greater issue IMO. To me, Robinson utilizes this stuff, as well as his chest, as a crutch to support his hands which I feel are no better than average. For someone being spoken about as a borderline 1st/2nd rounder, I find that unacceptable. It'd be more tolerable for me if he were being discussed as a 3rd rounder where I feel he belongs, but as a "1st rounder" I gotta pick that stuff a part. I got fooled by Arrelious Benn b/c I let myself get too consumed by his after-the-catch and jump ball abilities rather than focusing first on what he does on normal routes and before the ball is in his hands.
It's all about this year Greg Auman @gregauman 7m Looking back on 2009 NFL draft: Five years later, 25 of 32 NFL teams have just one or zero players still on roster from their draft class.
If both Martin and Su'a-Filo are versatile because they play both tackle and guard, shouldn't Su'a-Filo be rated higher than Martin?
