If there's a legit trade down opportunity from #19 then I would guess that it's either a QB fell down the board, or one of the tight ends Eric Ebron or Jace Amaro. Outside shot that it's Kony Ealy or Taylor Lewan. I think those positions are where you see significant drop-off.
Would anyone trade, say, Dion Jordan and a pick for Aaron Donald? That pick would be this year's first most likely. Maybe next year's, and use this year's pick on a RT or replacement OLB/DE. /Madden Sent from my GT-P3110 using Tapatalk
I went back only 2 years and there have been SIX trades from picks 18-29. Players acquired via the trade? Eric Reid S Desmond Trufant CB Cordarrele Patterson WR (nice call NE) Donta Hightower LB Chandler Jones LB Harrison Smith CB We could quite possibly trade down if the right situation presents itself.
Have to maybe keep an eye on Cleveland @ pick 26. That's the pick they got from Indy for Richardson. I think either Manziel or Bridgewater will drop from the top 10, and if either is still there @ pick 19 and Cleveland went with Clowney or some other non-QB pick @ pick 4, that could very well be the window for a trade.
Unless Bortles falls to 4, if I'm the Browns I'm taking Watkins or Mack. If I had to guess they are banking on Derek Carr to be there with 1B. Teams jump up for players they fall in love with all the time. What if the Eagles trade Desean and it's pick 19 and Marqis Lee is sitting there?? I could see Chip moving up a handful of spots to snatch a guy he saw dominate in the Pac12. Move down pick up a 3 or 4 and still get Moses? Ofcourse having the OL starved (worse than Miami) Cardinals right behind you could be scary IF you are infact targeting any OL.
I'd put my money on Cleveland. They also have 2 3rd round picks, so they can afford to move up for a 3rd and still have a pick in that round. I share your opinion that they should target a stud player with their 4th overall pick, and use their 1B to get their QB. I just hope one of the top 3 slips down and the Browns get a little antsy and feel the need to move up to get him.
My most recent piece on defensive tackles, including Donald, Sutton, Jernigan and Hageman. Sure to make any Aaron Donald fan-boys happy: http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/46653/349/peshek-dt-metrics-10
I wasn't expecting Hageman to end up adjusted so HIGH when you add on the pass deflections! That's pretty amazing. Really does flesh out for me statistically why my film study has led me to have Aaron Donald so much higher than everyone else but then Ra'Shede Hagemen second and Timmy Jernigan just a little bit behind him. Louis Nix wasn't in your evaluation but I don't think he even deserves to be. The more I have looked at him the more I realize he does NOT belong in there. Like I've said elsewhere, I would take Beau Allen above him.
It's more about what he inherited to the job he's done so far.. I wanted grimes , here's here..I dint think Starks deserved the big money that was being talked about, was willing to call his bluff, so was hickey, I love the switch in philosophy of player to earl Mitchell, I believe Albert is a very good left tackle who takes care of his body, slightly overpaid there but I'm sure Aponte has some loopholes, Delmas is interesting, bringing in dqwell Jackson wasSomething I agreed with..shopping for a true mid backer..letting go of Jerry and Clabo.. I don't think pretty decent is too far fetched term of endearment..still have some money, some time..it was a big job this first year..
Hageman's best all around production came in the Northwestern-Minnesota game because he absolutely dominated in that game. He had pressures, sacks, pass deflections. It reminded me of when JJ Watt demolished the NU o-line a few years back and I knew he was going to be a stud. Here's a play from that game I like to call HagemanSmash.
Why? You'd be trading a guy with big upside plus a 1st round pick for a player who is very good, but plays a position you are very strong at. Then you'd maybe use your remaining 1st (this year or next) to replace the guy you just traded? I don't see that as good resource management.
Been watching a lot more Cornelius Lucas lately. This guy is really good, lot of potential. He's an ogre, just like Morgan Moses. Dennis Hickey will like that for right tackle.
If Eric Ebron is there at #19 we should be taking him and not worrying about trading down. And quite frankly, if Bridgewater is there, I'm thinking long and hard about it.
The only thing that worries me about Hageman is his gap control. From what I can see he tends to sometimes leave his gap to get into the backfield quickly. This exposes his gap to runs up the middle. I don't know if others agree or not but it's something I think I am seeing. It's hard tell without knowing the play itself obviously. I think he will need to be coached to play his gaps in a more disciplined manner. Other than that I like how he plays.
All of your agony would be canceled out by my pure elation if the Dolphins somehow were able to pick Teddy B.
He's one Chandler Jones blindside hit from season ending IR. Dude makes Geno Smith look like Lou Ferrigno
I suppose Aaron Rodgers, Jay Cutler, Sam Bradford, and Nick Foles' ideal height to weight ratio all kept them from missing games this past season. Oh wait, they all missed a significant portion of games with injuries? If my QB is going to miss games whether he's 6'5", 240 (Foles) or 6'2" 215, then I'll just take the guy I think is going to be better as a QB.
Cleveland's 26 + 35 + 180 (6th round)For...Miami's 19 + 50It's an equivalent trade in terms of the draft trade value chart.
The QBs in this draft class, Tannehill if he doesn't progress. I'm not someone who blames Tannehill for his sacks or necessarily for all the deep ball woes, but I'm still very much not convinced that he's the guy.
I'm on the fence also with RT, but can not endorse Bridgewater. I saw a guy who played will with a clean pocket in a good system, not a guy who can dictate an offense.
This is just not true. He was pressured as much as any other QB in this class, did better throwing under pressure than any QB in this class and is absolutely dominant when throwing on the run. In terms of his 'system', the Louisville system often substituted screens for 1-5 yard passes, but he threw downfield just as much as any prospect in this class (or past classes) except someone like Zach Mettenberger. He also threw outside the numbers more often and more accurately than most other QBs in this class. His 11-20 yard accuracy on throws outside the numbers was absolutely disgusting. He played in a pro-style offense where he was allowed to change plays at the LOS and go through full progressions. I don't see how his system helped him. Hey if you don't like him because he's skinny - alright. I think he's tough as nails from when he played against Rutgers with a sprained ankle and a broken wrist and still led his team to a comeback victory. To each their own. But if you're talking system and how clean his pocket was, those are very quantifiable things and I've got all the data you could ever want.
Hard to imagine he was under intense pressure in that conference where he saw a lot of mediocre defenses. I don't want it to sound like I'm trashing the guy, he obviously can play football. But I don't care for his Bernie Kosar like release and from the games I saw, he wasn't very accurate, unless ofcourse he was throwing to a wide open guy thanks to a great play call. I take Blake Bortles and never look back, I would hold my breath everytime he took a hit in this league. So no, I wouldn't put him over Tannehill.
When Greg says he's faced as much pressure as anyone and been more efficient against the pressure than anyone else, keep in mind he actually goes through all of the tape of various pools of players and tallies the hyper-specific stats like Pro Football Focus does. He's not just going off the cuff by generalizing about a conference. Another thing to keep in mind is that a quarterback in the most low levels of competition imaginable can be overwhelmed by pressure if the men charged with blocking for him are even worse than the guys rushing him. The only game I saw personally where Teddy didn't handle pressure too well was the USF game. He struggled with delayed blitzes by DeDe Lattimore the linebacker.
Just tossing this out there, there's a website (http://www.all22video.com/) where some guy is working on compiling All 22 film for the 2013 and past seasons. He doesn't have anywhere near the full gamut of D1 or BCS games, but there's a decent selection. He's got all of Auburn's offense, UCLA, Stanford, Ohio State, etc. It's a subscription service, but you can do a month for $2.99 which isn't a bad price if you want to do something like study Auburn's offense or check out Brett Hundley. I just paid the $2.99 and am using software to rip the videos off the site so I can watch them after a month. Just a resource for anyone interested in that sort of thing.
Spent some time. Man I could be happy w/ Donald, Cooks, Niklas, Hyde. If there is any interest I can really see us trading back.
I don't disregard that he would know better than I would. So in reality he likely did see more pressure than I saw as my "scouting" of him consists of some Thu night games and 1 or 2 noon starts. Oh and a mediocre combine. That being said I wouldn't want him at 19 for many reasons, and if your taking him to be your franchise QB you have to be concerned with that frame IMO.
I respect that you disagree on this and that's fine. I was just trying level things out and point out that when Greg says something along those lines he's actually speaking of objectively measurable data points not necessarily opinion. My personal opinion is that 6'2" and 214 lbs doesn't constitute an argument against a QB's frame. Actually I just think "frame" is not a good reason to make decisions about the position, period. Height? Sure. But "frame"?
I can accept all that. Brady is the classic comeback for everyone in a lot of scenarios. I would argue Tom stayed healthy in college while TB has been knicked up. (Yes I know one played more games). I just struggle to see the fascination with him.
Frame is fine, muscular development is obviously non existent. Frame sometimes does come into play for me in evaluations. Teddy is compact, doesn't have broad shoulders, but has some explosiveness to his game at the position.
Brady's the classic comeback on the frame bit but not the only one. I mean Alex Smith is still kicking and he was 6'4' & 217 lbs. That's thinner than Teddy. Andy Dalton had virtually the same dimensions as Teddy, 6'2" & 215 lbs. He's still kicking and any criticisms of him now certainly center on his passing and not his frame. Hell at 6'4" and 221 lbs you could argue Ryan Tannehill had a leaner frame than Teddy at 6'2" and 214 lbs. And of course you already mentioned Geno Smith who was 6'3" and 215 lbs. Probably the most extreme frame issue I ever saw was Brodie Croyle and when he busted out was it because of the frame? Not really. It was because he wasn't any good.
Frame comes into play for me when I know a position requires point of attack core strength and I don't feel the frame on the prospect will hold up consistently.
Yeah but I'm talking about quarterbacks. Frame is a relevant point of discussion for pretty much every other position.
Arguing about whether the Dolphins should take Bridgewater is wasting your time IMO. I don't see any way this regime takes a QB in the 1st round. They simply don't have the time to wait on a rookie QB.
I think Roosevelt Nix could actually work as an edge rusher a la Elvis Dumervil (but with less experience edge rushing), but if you don't have the stomach for that then I think of him as being a dynamite fullback prospect. He played fullback in high school. The balance, physicality, agility and motor on the guy are fantastic. Watching him I really am reminded of watching Bruce Miller back at UCF. You would watch Miller and think, this guy is just too good of a football player to ignore, but at the same time you don't see him rushing the passer or playing defensive line at the next level. Sure enough Harbaugh and Baalke take him up and make him a fullback. And he's a really good one. I see Roosevelt Nix the same way.
