Targets for 2014 Dolphins Draft

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  1. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Serious question...have you seen Weston Richburg playing guard?

    I know I made the case for Schwenke to be a guard last year but that was in large part because I'd seen him play it.
     
  2. jim1

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    Maybe that with Trai Turner at Guard, but not Wesley Johnson imo, I see him as a LT, not OG, more of a finesse player and about 290 lbs. Good feet and quicks, but I don't see him as a power player who'd be good for a Guard in the NFL.
     
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  3. ToddPhin

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    yes? :shifty:





    IDK he seems like a fairly easy transition to guard.
     
  4. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    the next dimension
    Hhmmm.....I wonder how much of a discount the brothers would give negotiating a deal for both of them to stay.
     
  5. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    Question for the resident NCAA scouts/personnel guys here:

    Assuming one of the top tackles is available when we pick in the first round, which one would be best suited for the zone blocking scheme we use (assuming we continue to use that same blocking scheme)?
     
  6. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    I think Billy Turner will be the best available ZB OT. But I do not think ZB OT is necessarily what we need. We need a great all around OT. I think Zack Martin maybe the best available OT where we pick. I expect Matthews and Robinson to go before #19. One of Kouandjio, Martin, Moses, and Lewan should be available at 19. All should fit well at RT, with Albert being signed for LT.
     
  7. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    Why not Lewan? And, why not Lewan at LT? Just asking. One thing I've heard/read about him is that he has a bit of a mean streak, which I think is a good quality for an O-lineman to have. But, I have no real clue when it comes to evaluating these prospects. Especially the linemen. Definitely looking forward to the combine next month though.
     
  8. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    I don't consider Lewan an "offensive" weapon lineman. I think Turner is a weapon in space. Lewan is more of a kick and slide, protect, "defensive" OL, if not solely that. If the gurus get a chance, check out Dan France of Michigan State who played guard, 6-6, 315, ranked 600th+, but plays really well for Zb scheme. I watched Nebraska and tOSU games.
     
  9. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I'll take a look. Thanks for the reference, TGFD.
     
  10. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Incidentally...Greg I'm going to need you to tell me about Ross Cockrell. That son of a bytch is impressing the hell out of me the way he's handling Mike Evans and Kelvin Benjamin.
     
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  11. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    Thanks for the abbreviation. France is #59, and Treadwell is a senior too, LG #63, Fonoti RT #51 will prbly be kicked inside too if gets a chance.
     
  12. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    BTW TGFD, if CK values your opinion, than so do I. :up:

    I've heard that Martin, while he doesn't have the ideal measurements for OT (i.e., shorter than ideal arm length), compared to Matt Light of NE. Do see any similarities?

    Also, some say he might be better suited to play guard at the NFL level. What are your thoughts? Could he play LT for us?
     
  13. TooGoodForDez

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    I would not go so far as to say that, but he may agree on in this specific instance.
     
  14. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    [video=youtube;uvmKs2S6jpU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvmKs2S6jpU[/video]
     
  15. NUGap

    NUGap Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Aight, I'm slogging through SJB and once I get through I'll move onto Cockrell. Looks like I'm able to find all of Duke's games, so no problems there. I'll post both SJB and Cockrell in here when I'm done, since I know both are fan favorites.
     
  16. SheperdKingsAKATheBasques

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    Shepherd*
     
  17. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    Some of the stuff is straight nasty, viewer discretion advised. (LBer/SS Memphis) [video=youtube;O0_VlZmCSOk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0_VlZmCSOk[/video]
     
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  18. Clark Kent

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    BTW, anyone know the estimate on compensation picks for us this year? I've never been clear on how it works. Will we get some for Long and Smith?
     
  19. ckparrothead

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    Trying to get a better handle on Troy Niklas' speed.

    Clearly outruns Temple LB Blaze Caponegro (6-1, 225) after the catch on the long TD against Temple. However clearly DB Tavon Young (5-10, 160) is catching up to Niklas, though they flatten out. There are no times on file for Caponegro but Young has a 4.54 on file.

    On a catch against Purdue, gets into a straight up running situation with LB Sean Robinson (6-3, 240) and Robinson can't keep up. Robinson has a 4.78 on file.

    I'm thinking he'll run in the mid to low 4.7's but not totally sure.
     
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  20. ckparrothead

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    Eddie Lackey snubbed from the Combine.

    I don't understand this AT ALL.

    The guy runs in the 4.5's and any idiot can see that on tape.

    He's 1st Team All Big-12 this year, was 2nd Team All Big-12 last year.

    In two seasons (26 games) he's racked up 212 tackles, 26.5 TFLs, 7 interceptions, 3 touchdowns, 6.5 sacks, 13 quarterback hurries and 2 forced fumbles.

    He individually led the charge that saw the Baylor defense going from being an absolute embarrassment to civilized society (see the 67-56 win against Washington in the Alamo Bowl) to a respectable defense that held 7 of 13 opponents to 14 points or less.

    And the guy can't get an All Star invite or even a Combine invite. That is absolutely ludicrous and inexcusable.
     
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  21. ckparrothead

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    Look at the size of this guy's neck. Watch him on tape, look at the All Star and Combine snubs, look at his neck in relation to his head, and tell me you don't get Zach Thomas vibes.

    [video=youtube;dj00Q_yNWPo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj00Q_yNWPo[/video]
     
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  22. TooGoodForDez

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    I'm very disapointed, also Calvin Barnett, Shaquil Barrett.
     
  23. ckparrothead

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    Shaq Barrett is surprising but at least he got an All Star invite.
     
  24. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Whoa, good mention CK. Check out his game against TCU on YouTube. Good stuff. Seems like he would do really well at the combine too.
     
  25. ckparrothead

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    Lackey is #5 on these two clips, both interceptions against Texas Tech in 2012, one of which he returned for a touchdown.

    Look how well and fluidly the guy moves and trackes the quarterback from side to side. It's like watching an NFL Combine drill.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=2sWLEXAy6E4#t=180
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=2sWLEXAy6E4#t=209

    Here's a cutup from one of the draft breakdown guys of him against TCU.

    [video=youtube;4KmO9-U4R_Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KmO9-U4R_Y[/video]
     
  26. ckparrothead

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    He legit runs in the 4.5's. I've heard that reported by people close to Baylor. And you can see it on film. Just watch the interception return against TCU. He's running faster than the DBs and everyone else on the field as he tries to get out front and block for the return man. And he's the one that caused the pressure and hit on the QB that resulted in that pick.

    And if that doesn't show you his speed then look at the interception he got and returned for a touchdown. Also look at the way he related the receiver's route to what he was reading in the quarterback, that enabled him to jump the route. Once he had that ball he was off like a cannon shot.
     
  27. ckparrothead

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    Forgive the post. I'm just laying the ground work for some film.


    TFL
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_v6Vjae1TyI#t=275
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_v6Vjae1TyI#t=593

    Tackle
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_v6Vjae1TyI#t=417
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_v6Vjae1TyI#t=535
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_v6Vjae1TyI#t=1037
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_v6Vjae1TyI#t=1094
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_v6Vjae1TyI#t=1190
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_v6Vjae1TyI#t=1207
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_v6Vjae1TyI#t=1240
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_v6Vjae1TyI#t=1687
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_v6Vjae1TyI#t=2028
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_v6Vjae1TyI#t=2257
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_v6Vjae1TyI#t=2270


    Pursuit
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_v6Vjae1TyI#t=227
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_v6Vjae1TyI#t=253
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_v6Vjae1TyI#t=407
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_v6Vjae1TyI#t=558
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_v6Vjae1TyI#t=882
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_v6Vjae1TyI#t=1063
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_v6Vjae1TyI#t=1132
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_v6Vjae1TyI#t=1681
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_v6Vjae1TyI#t=1916
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_v6Vjae1TyI#t=1924
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_v6Vjae1TyI#t=2009
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_v6Vjae1TyI#t=2185


    Cover
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_v6Vjae1TyI#t=438
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_v6Vjae1TyI#t=544
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_v6Vjae1TyI#t=724
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_v6Vjae1TyI#t=1104
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_v6Vjae1TyI#t=2812
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_v6Vjae1TyI#t=2819

    Blitz
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_v6Vjae1TyI#t=603
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_v6Vjae1TyI#t=1231
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_v6Vjae1TyI#t=1256
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_v6Vjae1TyI#t=2632
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_v6Vjae1TyI#t=2666

    Speed/Return
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_v6Vjae1TyI#t=2725
     
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  28. ckparrothead

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    Buffalo vs. Baylor

    Pursuit
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS6yPglkJ8E&feature=player_detailpage#t=103
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS6yPglkJ8E&feature=player_detailpage#t=121
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS6yPglkJ8E&feature=player_detailpage#t=232
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS6yPglkJ8E&feature=player_detailpage#t=455
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS6yPglkJ8E&feature=player_detailpage#t=862
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iS6yPglkJ8E#t=1398
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iS6yPglkJ8E#t=1473
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iS6yPglkJ8E#t=1877
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iS6yPglkJ8E#t=2291


    Tackle
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS6yPglkJ8E&feature=player_detailpage#t=152
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS6yPglkJ8E&feature=player_detailpage#t=158
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS6yPglkJ8E&feature=player_detailpage#t=414
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS6yPglkJ8E&feature=player_detailpage#t=442
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS6yPglkJ8E&feature=player_detailpage#t=465
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS6yPglkJ8E&feature=player_detailpage#t=475
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS6yPglkJ8E&feature=player_detailpage#t=620
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iS6yPglkJ8E#t=1136
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iS6yPglkJ8E#t=2036
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iS6yPglkJ8E#t=2299

    TFL
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iS6yPglkJ8E#t=1890
    R: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iS6yPglkJ8E#t=1924

    Blitz
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iS6yPglkJ8E#t=1884

    Cover
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS6yPglkJ8E&feature=player_detailpage#t=651
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iS6yPglkJ8E#t=1407
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iS6yPglkJ8E#t=1702
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iS6yPglkJ8E#t=1721
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iS6yPglkJ8E#t=2321
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iS6yPglkJ8E#t=2396

    Speed/Special
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iS6yPglkJ8E#t=1721
    R: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iS6yPglkJ8E#t=1807
     
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  29. VanDolPhan

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    NFLdraftscout has him as the 52nd OLB. But what your showing me here...damn someone's missing a screw.
     
  30. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I'm a little ADHD here but I'm switching gears to Buffalo WR Alex Neutz for a minute because he's stood out to me big in this Buffalo-Baylor game. Great stats too.

    Alex Neutz vs. Ohio State
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC3MDeEuWLQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=91
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC3MDeEuWLQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=120
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC3MDeEuWLQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=1362
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC3MDeEuWLQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=1465
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC3MDeEuWLQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=3061
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC3MDeEuWLQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=3112
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC3MDeEuWLQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=4421
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC3MDeEuWLQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=5040
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC3MDeEuWLQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=5077
    R: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC3MDeEuWLQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=5092
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC3MDeEuWLQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=5264
    R: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC3MDeEuWLQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=5317
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC3MDeEuWLQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=6439
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC3MDeEuWLQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=6875

    Alex Neutz vs. Baylor
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS6yPglkJ8E&feature=player_detailpage#t=47
    R: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS6yPglkJ8E&feature=player_detailpage#t=85
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS6yPglkJ8E&feature=player_detailpage#t=821
    R: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS6yPglkJ8E&feature=player_detailpage#t=841
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS6yPglkJ8E&feature=player_detailpage#t=877
    R: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iS6yPglkJ8E#t=944
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS6yPglkJ8E&feature=player_detailpage#t=1161
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS6yPglkJ8E&feature=player_detailpage#t=1662
    R: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS6yPglkJ8E&feature=player_detailpage#t=1683
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS6yPglkJ8E&feature=player_detailpage#t=2029

    Alex Neutz vs. Kent State
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-ZnmKAfH4Q&feature=player_detailpage#t=15
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-ZnmKAfH4Q&feature=player_detailpage#t=49

    Alex Neutz vs. Ohio
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1umA2g1q_mk&feature=player_detailpage#t=46
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1umA2g1q_mk&feature=player_detailpage#t=95
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1umA2g1q_mk&feature=player_detailpage#t=121

    Here are the reasons I have Neutz in here:

    1. He's big at 6'2" or 6'3" and 210 lbs

    2. He's been VERY consistent all year in producing 61 catches for 1024 yards and 12 TDs

    3. That includes 15 catches for 295 yards and 2 TDs against the two ranked opponents they played, Ohio State and Baylor

    4. He looks like a guy that people will mentally peg as your stereotypical tall/slow white receiver with good hands, however I'm watching him beat guys that run 4.52 and 4.49 in the 40 yard dash and he's doing it with straight up SPEED. He beat Baylor CB Joe Williams (4.52) with straight up long speed and he beat Ohio corner Travis Carrie (4.49) with speed

    5. He absolutely abused Ohio State sophomore Armani Reeves, a former 4-Star corner who has been clocked anywhere from 4.35 to 4.41 depending on who you believe
     
  31. ToddPhin

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    W.T.F. Has he committed a crime or something?
     
  32. ToddPhin

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    Huh? Calvin Barnett didn't get an invite either? Does someone at the combine hate the Big 12?
     
  33. jim1

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    The closing speed at :40 is phenomenal, reminds me of what I'd look for from Alec Ogletree. I'd rather roll the bones with this guy, Christian Jones, Misi and Jordan as 4/3 LBs, dump Wheeler and Ellerbe in 2015 at the latest and draft James Gayle to replace Jordan at DE, rotate him with Wake and Vernon- Gayle has a burst. The idea of going into next season with Wheeler and Ellerbe starting on defense makes me a little nauseous.
     
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  34. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    There are LBers in this draft slotted to be undrafted who I would rather have than Ellerbe and Wheeler.
     
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  35. PhinsRDbest

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    the next dimension
    What's the deal with Cyrus Kouandjio? His stock is kinda down right, but I always thought he was a better prospect than DJ Fluker who went 11th and played pretty well for San Diego. I wouldn't mind him at 19.
     
  36. UCF FINatic

    UCF FINatic The Miami Dolphins select

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    I think he is a bigger plodder type of Tackle that may have to play RT in the NFL. If I recall correctly he has had some trouble with speed rushers which could scare teams away from taking him higher in the draft and putting him on the left side.

    Additionally, I think his stock may be considered to be down a bit because a lot of times talent evaluators project players improving their game between each season; he may not have improved as much as they hoped.
     
  37. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    Sad thing is were stuck with them unless we want to eat a fairly large cap hit.
     
  38. sports24/7

    sports24/7 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think the Dolphins might be fine with the cap hit with Wheeler, if they can find an upgrade.
     
  39. Fin-Omenal

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    Nothing wrong with upgrading then benching those sorry facks.
     
  40. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    the next dimension
    That's why the upgrades would have to come cheap.
     

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