QUESTION: Will Hickey be a better GM than Ireland????

I thoroughly respect your opinion. However, his " I know something you don't know" banter is getting egotistical , to say the least. Was it really necessary for him to say he disagreed with some ones opinion based solely on what he heard, then go on to say his lips are sealed. My point is if he`s sworn to secrecy then leave it alone to begin with. Hanging it down like a piece of candy on a string is just immature. I`ve become a fan of your posts so don't take this as a knock towards you or your response.

 

Why are you becoming so dramatic over such a trivial thing? I'd think Chris strutted in here and started attacking everyone by the way a few of you are acting toward him, no offense. Seriously man, CK didn't share his information in the way that you guys would've liked so that becomes grounds to rip on him? I don't get it. If you guys don't like the way he shared information then just ignore it.

 

That's where we disagree. I don't have a problem being shown a house from the exterior without feeling like I have to have the keys to take a look inside. I don't see what Chris did as being immature. To me, immature would be- not being able to handle a tidbit of information without getting all the specifics. If you got inside word about a pertinent Miami subject but were sworn to secrecy, you wouldn't share the gist of it with the rest of us?

Likewise my friend, including my previous post. No hard feelings.

 

The clincher for me was when he stated to MonstBlitz that if he asked in a different manner , CK might have told him more of what he knows. Please, give me a friggin break. And he took it personal that MonstBlitz didn't thank him enough and show appreciation for something he was told. I`m not trying to speak for anyone here, but I never was impressed by anyone patting themselves on the back.

 

Fair enough... and to each his own. I just didn't think there was anything so terrible about CK's post that it would require a few pages of thread derailment. Even if there was a crime, which I didn't think there was, it clearly didn't justify the punishment. I thought you guys went well overboard, and that's the last I'll say on it so we can get back on track.

 

I forgot to mention something here. I`m not ,in the least bit, feeling slighted by his lack of thorough information. I really don't care who and what his "sources" are, nor do I care what they said. Its the way he handled it that irked me. I`ve never been a fan of any ones " better then you" attitude.

Again, no hard feelings towards you either.

 

I agree. Good idea.

 

anybody else follow this guy on twitter? claims to be a "draft analyst", has just over 800 followers. after Ireland was fired he talked about how he heard the Dolphin scouts wanted to draft Gronk but Ireland overruled them.

https://twitter.com/Ethanhamm/status/420716021545447424

Ethan Hammerman ‏@Ethanhamm Jan 7
Ireland is gone? Lol. Now I can say my Ireland dirt that I've been saving.

Ethan Hammerman ‏@Ethanhamm Jan 7
Congrats Dolphins fans.

Ethan Hammerman ‏@Ethanhamm Jan 7
So...the story I heard in 2011 was that the Dolphins were looking at a bunch of different options with their 2nd round draft pick in 2010.

Ethan Hammerman ‏@Ethanhamm Jan 7
One of the players they had focused in on was a tight end from Arizona named Rob Gronkowski. The scouts really liked him.

Ethan Hammerman ‏@Ethanhamm Jan 7
However, Jeff Ireland did not like young Gronk. He thought Gronk was a punk and would bust out of the NFL.

Ethan Hammerman ‏@Ethanhamm Jan 7
That, plus the injury questions, sort of made up Ireland's mind on Gronk. When the Dolphins were up with their second round pick...

Ethan Hammerman ‏@Ethanhamm Jan 7
...some in the War Room lobbied hard for Gronk, but Ireland withstood the pressure.

Ethan Hammerman ‏@Ethanhamm Jan 7
In the end, the Dolphins took Koa Misi. The Patriots traded up for Gronk, and the rest is history.


And this exchange pretty much confirms what we were all speculating, that Ireland was one of the people who asked a prospect if he was straight. God what a tool.

https://twitter.com/VincentFrankNFL/status/421295952545075201

 

Todd, get off your knees. The gravel driveway needs uh shovelin and the squirrel gravy is almost ready.

 

Unreal, all I can say is WOW. It seems Ireland was only interested in flexing his front office muscles rather then listen to reason. At least that's what I interpreted.

 

No one should be surprised; TE was one of Ireland's many blind spots—he just didn't see the value in them as pass-catchers, the way the game has evolved. He only sees TEs as traffic cones with faces, like Mastrud.

In fact, I think Egnew was the highest he ever picked a TE, here or in Dallas. And we all know how that turned out.

 

1) Can we not attack one another as posters? This ****ing team is so frustrating right now that our little family here is literally the only thing that keeps me connected the the Dolphins at all anymore.

2) A few things on Gronk. First, Gronk did have significant health question marks. I rmemeber because I badly wanted him, but even I had pause for doubt due to health concerns. Second, you can't characterize Gronk as the type of NFL TD-catching receiving TE that Ireland and Parcells had not shown a liking for. The truth is, Gronk Was a tough SOB, and cou;d block too. He was not a Hernandez or Graham. This brings me to my last point, we had Anthony Fasano, who in essence is a balanced TE who is way worse than Gronk. So philosophically, if you like Fasano's style, Gron is just a guy who does the same things WAY ****ing better. I don't see Ireland avoiding Gronk due to philosophy. Purely due to health reasons. Ireland showed willingness to roll the dice on injured FAs in 2013 because it was a make or break year for him. But he certainly didn't go in for injured draft picks… well, again, until he was under pressure in 2013 and took Dion Jordan hoping for an impact guy.

 

Literally never said this. You're just making sh-t up now.

 

I agree we La'familia

I had Lobbied for that meathead so hard but there were few takers..also stated some inside good info about his health predraft.

 

The gravel driveway may be painful for his knees.

 

You mean job titles?

 

Yeah, I`m making it all up.

 

You said that to me at the hair salon, when our curlers were in and we were waiting for our perms to set.

 

Umm, yeah. Yeah you're making that up. Re-read what you just quoted. If he was under the impression I was specifically saying that Hickey is going to ask the exact same embarrassing question (is your mom a whore) then he could have just asked if that's what I meant. He could have said anything at all that wasn't a bunch of hurled insults, getting all offended just because I dared to come into the thread and share a little bit of what I knew but not all of what I knew.

The problem is that you're pretending I want people to totally kiss my *** in order for me to speak respectfully to them. This is a complete fallacy. Something you completely made up. I've communicated this several times in this thread, all I really ask is that you don't come at me guns blazing attacking and hurling insults for literally no good reason. MY GOD! I'm such a dick! I want people to NOT just start hurling insults at me for no good reason? I must LOVE smelling my own farts! To think, the nerve of someone hoping people don't just start flipping out on him and insulting him for no reason. Doesn't he know this is finheav- wait...this isn't finheaven? Oh my bad.

 

I guess it remains to be seen w/ Gronk if he is a great pick or not. Lots of time off the field, not to mention some off the field craziness (that may have exacerbated the infection) and that is w/ the tightly run Belicheat locker room. It's not a stretch to say that Gronk will be a great TE for several games each season.

 

Thats exactly how you came across. You also stated that Monst had a funny way of showing his devoted appreciation for your supposedly insightful "sources" . If thats not egotistical I dont know what is. Are you really that vain? Why cant you wrap your head around the fact that not everyone here is impressed by you or your "people" ? Do you really think I care that you disagree with someones comments and opinions because your "sources" told you things? I`d rather see for myself if Hickey proves successful here as GM and if his interviewing process is respectable. If past history and mutiple" sources" are a guarenteed barometer of the future then Jimmy Johnson would have won multiple Super Bowls as Dolphins HC, Bill Parcels would have built a winner here, Bill Belichick would be nothing more then a defensive mind with little or no head coaching ability etc... These are all things that "sources" tried to drill in our heads in the past. How did all those things work out.? So, if I dont seem impressed by "sources" that is why . They`re nothing more then glorified opinions and nothing more.

 

Really?

A bunch of hurled insults? I said your post came off as snarky. You keep painting me as someone butt hurt and offended but you've turned one statement into something unspeakable that I have done. Again, I wasn't the only person who read it and felt that way. Part of it was because I misinterpreted part of your statement, and for that I've apologized.

I'd love to let this die, but can we please stop rewriting history? I appreciate the information you bring to the board. I appreciate what you have shared in this thread. You're right, I should have just asked you if there was anything else you could share without the jab. In the future I will do just that.

 

That is much more your problem than it is mine. If you're reading stuff that isn't there, that's your problem.

He claimed he was grateful for sharing what I know. I said he had a funny way of showing it, by throwing a jab at me and essentially telling me to go back to The Club and stop posting my opinions out here in the mains unless I'm going to give out every bit of info that I know.

A very nice piece of fiction. You should be a writer. You've imagined these whole scenarios and exchanges, motivations and point of views completely out of thin air. Truly, you're a master of creating stories out of nothing.

I'm sorry, I must not quite understand where I am. Am I on a discussion board? I thought this was a discussion board where we say our opinions and agree/disagree, discuss, etc. Is that not where I am? If not could you point me in the direction of the closest discussion board?

God you're so VAIN. What gives you the right to go on judging for yourself whether Hickey is a good GM. Do you honestly think I want to hear what you have to say on it? Do you REALIZE that your sh-t stinks like everyone else? No you don't because you just want to judge everything for yourself and then talk about it, sh-tting on everyone else's opinion with your own. God, why don't you just die or something.

 

I too would like to let it die. And yes you did hurl a jab and thank you for apologizing for it. I could have let it lie in a previous post, and probably should have (which means I'm sorry I didn't, btw), but I felt like you hurled another jab when you basically said sorry for misinterpreting and calling you snarky, but really you shouldn't have said anything. I'm defending my right to come in here and say my opinion like everyone else without being essentially told "go away, we don't want to know your opinion unless you're able to tell us all the details of how you came to it." (which is what RGF is saying)

I don't hold this against you. Little misunderstandings and flare-ups happen. I think what has happened here is a misunderstanding accompanied by one poster with a clear grudge trying to drown the situation in gasoline.

 

I'll disregard the last subject...doesn't matter to me, but was Ireland really all that wrong about Gronk ?? Yeah, he had a lot of upside but the guy can't seem to stay on the field. The injury issues were and ARE real. Don't get me wrong, I would love to have his production at the TE position, but I think the injury issues were and are well founded and therefore a good choice by Ireland not to pick him, since TE wasn't a major position of need anyway at that time. You build a team around a guy like Gronk, but when he's out, you have major problems...just ask Brady... I can knock a lot of picks that Ireland missed on or didn't make but I'm not too sure this is one that makes us that much better a team...

 

Yes he was wrong Larry, the guy has more tds than any other at his position since entering, he's a dominant player, and his injury history might have been modified if he was here.

 

Gronkowski is one of maybe two superstars at the tight end position right now. Yeah I'd say he was wrong.

 

Passing on a great TE prospect in Gronk for a Zane Beadles, Brandon Spikes, Linval Joseph or Daryl Washington is one thing, you still end up with a good player....passing on him for Koa Misi is another. But that's become a tradition for the Dolphins, passing on studs in the draft for nobodies.

 

Just for the record I didnt care if you told a whole story complete with details or not. Your pounding of the chest that your "people" said otherwise was unnessasary . You said you had proof of why you didnt agree with his opinion. It was his opinion, his beliefs. Who you know should have no bearing on that whatsoever

 

Soooooo....Hickey vs Ireland....What does Hickey have to do to be better then Jeffy?

 

Probably not much. Seriously though I hope Hickey has a better understanding of evaluating talent and filling huge voids that seem to be eluding this team. It all starts with the O-line then take it from there I would think.

 

Maybe having a rookie start....having a 2nd round pick contribute...getting guys that actually fit the systems and schemes in place...

and as you said, fixing the O-line, maybe finding someone who can actually read the play at LB and fill would be nice.

 

I selected Ireland will be a better GM. When he took over we had high school kids on our team and no depth, and now we have some good talent. Are we mising pieces (OL)? sure every team is. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm fearful. If it doesn't work out, I hope Ross has the balls to get a real football in here to build it right.

His partying might have been modified too.