QUESTION: Will Hickey be a better GM than Ireland????

It's such a tough question it required a long time to ponder?

 

I said in my first response that I'm always grateful for the information you provide this board. And I've expressed gratitude numerous times in the past. When you explain the message board comment in that context, I can see where I misread you. I thought you were dismissing my opinion as being just a "message board fan". Now I see you meant your information didn't come from Tampa Bay message boards.

The reason I reacted the way I did to your comment is because essentially what you said to me in that first response is, "You're wrong, but I can't tell you why you're wrong." I apologize for my lack of gratitude, but that does nothing for me. I can respect if you really cannot divulge information. But if you cannot, better not to tease us with it if you really can't give us anything of substance. But you did expand on things a little after your original comment and for that I am grateful.

 

Funny way of showing it.

You can choose to act butt hurt just because some of your prior suppositions are being disagreed with. Or you can just choose to be grateful for sharing as much information as I can with you. If you're more interested in truth than being right, then you're grateful for what I said. If not...

 

Personally, I do not covet it, but just found it curious you start a poll and not be one of the first few to vote in it. To each his own I guess.

 

These threads since the beginning of the GM search have been like watching comedy central. Speculation on who was responsible for what 10 years ago etc.

We pretty much can only speculate as too who had what power and when...yet everyone wants to pretend they have pegged it.

Please go on.

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Wow.

I rarely agree with Monstblitz but he explained he made a mistake and instead of accepting it and moving on, you double down on being douchey then flat out state we should felate you and never ever question you.

 

Thank you, Sir

 

Thanks for quoting me, he has me on ignore.

 

Yes, really !! Look, you can color it any way you want but you came off as someone who`s rubbing it in our collective faces that you know people. You stated you disagree with a posters comments because you heard people say things negatively about Hickey. Big deal. None of us are psychic so theres no REAL way of knowing how Hickey will do in Miami compared to how he did in Tampa. Things change, people change, so its impossible to label this guy an early absolute bust here in Miami. What he did prior to his signing here I could`nt care less about.

 

Thanks for summing up my thoughts exactly. I've defended CK so many times in the past when people get on his case, but I'm starting to understand why he's gotten the reputation of being a bit full of himself.

And Fin, you and I agree on more than you realize. It's just that our disagreements get so heated you forget.

 

No problem, although I`m probably headed for his ignore also since I had the gall to call him out. Borderline childish.

 

Hey, thanks for graciously accepting my apology. /sarcasm

Once again, I wasn't even really arguing with you. I thought the hiring process was a disaster and if Hickey ends up being a poor GM it wouldn't surprise me. I took issue with you saying "You're wrong, but I can't tell you why." That's literally all you said originally. Don't act like you provided me anything of substance that I should have been thankful for.

 

And THATS the bottom line.

 

What?

He's asking what people think not what they know. Its ok to do that.

 

What you did is refer to me as "snarky" for sharing my opinion with you, and giving you as much idea as I could afford about what that opinion is based on. Don't act all wounded here. All I did was share my opinion and then you came at me guns blazing. And your "apology" still came with the major effing caveat that you'd have preferred I didn't share my opinion on the matter with you at all, simply because I'm not in position to be able to share with you every single thing I've learned. But oh yes, it's CK that is being a total prick here. Right.

 

I have no problem with the question, only the idea that you felt a need to ask people to stop posting they would reserve judgement until more information is presented.

As far as being better then Ireland...Draft a guy in the second round that contributes he's already one up the previous GM.

 

MonstBlitz, your life would be much happier if you head these very wise words.

You take the good. You take the bad. You take them both and there you have the facts of life.

 

I feel like people are missing the point of the OP. He's asking for an opinion about X and instead of giving an opinion of X you're saying its impossible to have an opinion on X.

 

It's sad that this poll is so close. But I voted no for a couple of reasons:

1) I didn't have the low opinion of most about Ireland. He had misses, but he left the team in much, much better shape than when he arrived but he generally is the scape goat for everything bad about the Fins right now. That said, it was time for a change at that spot and it is nauseatingly apparent that a lot of the crap that has been stirred up about Philbin, Aponte, Ross and the rest of the organization has Ireland's "disgruntled former employee" written all over it, including the inability to hire the guys we apparently wanted before Hickey took the job....

2) Hickey has a checkered history...some good, some bad, but personally I wanted us to hit it out of the ball park instead of just have to settle which, in effect, is what we ended up doing.

3) I blame this whole mess on Ross. He is the one that wanted to half-azz the organization instead of wiping is clean and starting all over. Whether is was because he doesn't like to fire folks or that he didn't want to pay them salary for not working for the organization or just because he believes in some of the folks in place but not all or even [and not too far fetched an idea] if he really didn't want Ireland to leave and wanted to wait another year to hit the reset button, it doesn't matter now. Fact is he bumbled the whole thing and in this case, HE is the culprit... That said, there's nothing we can do about that, he's the owner and I simply don't have the $4B dollars or whatever to purchase the thing from him to make different changes to get us back on the right track...

4) Back to Hickey, one of the things that most NFL types as well as fans didn't like about Ireland was his lack of tact among his peers, his subordinates, and the public...well, the reports from the peanut gallery (our wonderful local media) as well as from our trusted site members is that Hickey is not really a step up in that regard either. There are questions about how he treats his subordinates and his peer reactions have been mixed, at best. In this regard, I'm glad that [again according to the peanut gallery] that he didn't get the 'full GM' powers here. The best we can hope for is that Ross sees the light and after another 8-8 season (my early prediction, yah way to go out on a limb) he does what he should have done once Ireland decided to leave rather than take a demotion, and hit the reset button...I hear Staples has an "Easy Button", maybe we can chip in and send Ross one ??

 

Unfortunately, that seems to be Hickey's weakness if you look at his history. The caveat being that he didn't have final say for all those picks, but in general, his second round picks are not that great...

 

Right. Sorry I wasn't thankful for your opinion that came with what's akin to a child saying, "I have a toy. But you can't see it." And let's not forget, lost in all of this is that your opinion was ridiculous enough to basically say you completely disagree with my statement that this GM will probably not specifically ask a player if his mother is a whore, and you possess evidence to support that "opinion". Ok.

 

You could have followed up with asking a little bit more what I meant. You could have said, opinion noted. You could have said any number of things that didn't just start going all attack dog on me for sharing my opinion with you. Don't blame me for your immaturity.

 

Ok, let's try that. What do you mean when you say you SPECIFICALLY disagree with the statement that Dennis Hickey will probably not ask a player if his mother is a whore?

 

What I meant was that I would not be surprised at all, based on the things that I know, if Dennis Hickey engaged in a line of question that was so inappropriate that it created exactly the same kind of embarrassing hoopla as the prostitute question. In fact I'm surprised, based on what I know, that the worst that has gotten out about Dennis Hickey's interview practices is his accusing Myron Rolle of having abandoned his teammates by becoming a Rhodes Scholar.

Don't you find that a lot easier than starting up with insults?

 

We get all caught up in the media, nat'l or local. They get nuggets of information all the time from alleged "sources". Because we never know who those sources are, we don't really know a) what intent the information is coming from and b) how much of a persons' (either the source itself or the media person sharing it with us) opinion is garbled into that nugget of information...

It's a well known fact that much of the peanut gallery in SFL has an agenda against the organization. We know that. So how can we, as fans and non-media types distinguish that information as 'true'? It's the opinion that we share on these boards of how each of us interpreted that information...I see it one way and others see it differently. I mean, without picking on anyone, but with using names, we all know that LB is anti just about anything other than a win and sometimes even then, but that doesn't mean what he is saying is wrong and he makes compelling arguments to back up his opinion.

CK is in another category... He does have 'sources' that heretofore have seemed pretty reliable that are outside the media and in the media, but again, sometimes putting that information on these boards has an air of opinion or at the very least the old "one plus one equals two" assumptions of what that info means in his posts...there's nothing wrong with that and again, his legitimacy has been borne out...

The media will never disclose it's sources because that media person would never get another source ever again in the industry. Still what we get from them is certainly mixed with opinion, that's the nature of the beast...we can live with it or just stop reading, period...

 

I don't disagree with your assessment of the media at all and why they cannot disclose sources. I've made similar statements when some folks refused to believe any of the reports coming out about this team which have since proven to have substance.

 

Why didn't you just state it in the first place instead of acting like we had to get on our knees and bow to your holiness and beg for more? Immaturity? Exactly.

 

How could anyone ignore you? You're adorable.

 

This is entirely in your mind. A 100% made up construct that you have projected onto words I posted. The sooner you realize this, the better.

 

Respectfully, I don't see how you interpret it that way. CK took the time to do some digging on Hickey amongst people who are more in the know than a fan forum, so I for one appreciate him relaying the gist of what he discovered even if he's unable to divulge the details. If you, Monst, or FinD don't wanna hear anything that doesn't get into specifics then I'd suggest simply ignoring the post rather than tell Chris to keep it to himself as if you three speak for the entire forum.

 

Give it a break. You childishly asked MontBlitz to practically beg you and reform his question for more info to inflate your own ego. Keep in mind we`re not ALL impressed with what you know, who you know, who tells you secrets during recess, who you pass love letters to, who stole your crayons etc.... In other words , you`re no better then anyone else here. Kindly grow up.

 

I didn't really see an apology. Well I did see one.... that is until you threw in this statement - "I can respect if you really cannot divulge information. But if you cannot, better not to tease us with it if you really can't give us anything of substance.". I would've taken offense to this statement as well. WADR, you weren't elected to speak on the forum's behalf so it might be wise to not act as if you were.

 

Not when you have no idea what his influence was. It then goes from fact to speculation.

 

Is this really happening?

 

I swear I read somewhere, either online or on twitter, about how Tampa Bay has been really aggressive recently questioning players at the combine...and that it was almost certain that they were the team, or one of the teams, who questioned that one player's sexual preference in an interview...I'm mad I can't remember where I saw it.

 

I enjoy the information personally, I just don't consider it concrete by any means.