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Jason Cole: Miami is basically screwed with this GM search

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by LBsFinest, Jan 9, 2014.

  1. LBsFinest

    LBsFinest Banned

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    RT @JasonPhilCole: Multiple NFL sources said today they would not advise anyone close to them to take #Dolphins GM job bec power structure is set up to fail


    SMH....well, the excitement was fun while it lasted guys.
     
  2. RGF

    RGF THE FINSTER Club Member

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    People write things because, well, they enjoy writing things.
     
  3. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Exactly. Lets see what happens and THEN *****.
     
  4. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    Cue the Aponte supporters in 3.....2.....1......
     
  5. josh

    josh Well-Known Member

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    Pssstt! Structures can change. It Tony Dungy told Ross he'd take the job if Ross fired Philbin and Aponte, they'd be fired.
     
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  6. LBsFinest

    LBsFinest Banned

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    If Joe ****ing Philbin and this wretched woman Aponte keep us from hiring Gamble, I will lose all the respect I just regained for Stephen Ross.
     
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  7. Die_Nasty

    Die_Nasty Well-Known Member

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    Seriously, really can't stand writers like Cole and Armando. Their writing is filled with negativity and drama. Can we just wait and see? Dear god
     
  8. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Yet they are interviewing a vast amount of candidates who all seems like they would die to have the job.......

    Go high five more injuries you effing clown...
     
  9. UCF FINatic

    UCF FINatic The Miami Dolphins select

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    I think there is some validity to this.

    There is already the "negotiator" in place in Aponte.
    There is already a "head scout" in place in Gaines.

    What exactly would the new GM do? How could he bring in his own guys?


    It's like we want the new guy to adapt to OUR culture, mind you a culture that hasn't been successful for a decade, instead of bringing in and setting his own culture and direction of our franchise.
     
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  10. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    Thought the GM has final say? Total authority? Full control over personnel?
     
  11. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    I'm pretty sure the GM will have the ability to rearrange the scoutibg department

    Someobe correct me if I'm wrobg though.
     
  12. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    ??? We have the power hungry Aponte here and an owner who seems loyal to her and wants to give her more power, enough so that our previous GM wanted no part of it. Granted it can be a good thing that it instigated the departure of Ireland, but that dichotomy can't be ignored when looking at GM candidates who might want nothing to do with the amount of power Ross was ready to give Aponte [or is ready to give her] or the amount of power Aponte clearly seems to want.
     
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  13. UCF FINatic

    UCF FINatic The Miami Dolphins select

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    Yea, he would. That being said, what if Ross steps in and says you have to retain Gaine even though your philosophies don't match up.
     
  14. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    Want to have fun with Jason Cole.....just poke him on high five gate. He will still get into fights over that and his story now is totally changed from back then ;p

    Either way were going to hear a lot of bs during and up to the actual hire.
     
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  15. Die_Nasty

    Die_Nasty Well-Known Member

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    It's assumption and guessing time of year, because no one has the patience to hear what's actually happening. I'm all for being negative about bad stuff happening, but nothing has actually happened yet.

    At this point everything being done is right, we are bringing in candidates that interest me, if we get none of them then ***** about it IMO.
     
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  16. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Sure that is an issue. I don't really think we have reason to believe it will happen though.

    I will say if the negativity turns out to be true, I will want the head of Aponte on a platter. Figuratively speaking of course. I don't wish her actual harm.
     
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  17. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    Those guys being on Miami's radar doesn't necessarily mean we're on their radar. We were also led to believe Peyton Manning, Harbaugh, and Fisher were candidates .... but at the end of the day they really weren't. Just sayin.
     
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  18. jinx

    jinx Well-Known Member

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    We'll see what happens but Cole isn't the first writer to question the structure.
     
  19. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Fischer was a candidate. He wanted personnel control...we didn't give it to him and thank goodness.
     
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  20. heylookatme

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    This is the most critical moment of Ross's ownership. He has to make the right move here.

    Because if he doesn't... woof.
     
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  21. ckparrothead

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    The issue here is we have Dawn Aponte being autonomous relative to the General Manager. It's a position she has because she was good at her job at a time that the General Manager decided to be a paranoid douche and ask for her to be fired because he felt threatened by her. The owner was put in a rough spot by such paranoid douchebaggery because he thought Aponte was doing a great job so he just took her out of Ireland's umbrella.

    You can't blame her for wanting to keep her job especially when she has ambitions for being the person running a team. And there's nothing wrong with that. She is the female Omar Khan, whose *** everyone seems in the habit of kissing for whatever reason.

    The problem is this utopian view that the Dolphins should operate their personnel department via this collective effort wherein everyone must agree in order to make a move. Joe Philbin has to agree, Dawn Aponte has to agree and the new General Manager has to agree. Therefore nobody really has final say on personnel.

    It should be as obvious why that won't work as it is to historians and political scientists why Poland's liberum veto would result in anarchy.
     
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  22. CrunchTime

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    Any time you are imposing conditions such as existing employees you are limiting yourself as to whom you could hire .Any GM worth his salt will want to bring his own people in.

    Thats what happened when Ireland was retained.You ended up with a rookie HC who was schooled by the more saavy HCs.

    Having said that we really dont know how the GM search will end up.Perhaps a GM candidate convinces Ross that he is the right guy and all preconceived notions will be adjusted to fit his needs so lets not put the cart before the horse.
     
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  23. RGF

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    Exactly what I meant by people love to write things. I dont put much faith in rumors.
     
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  24. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    Apparently not, not if Ireland wanted Aponte fired and Ross told him to take a hike.. and promoted her instead. Ross wants Aponte to have more power and is also interested in having another czar, right? How much authority does that leave the GM?
     
  25. LBsFinest

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    Whichever executive Ross wants to hire as GM, giving them final say is a virtual necessity. I mean if you're forcing a head coach and staff on the guy, as well as a capologist (Aponte) and a head scout (Gaine), then your pitch to someone like a Tom Gamble, who one would assume is very comfortable in Philly where he's originally from, must include that full power. Especially when Gamble and most of the other top GM candidates have no history with any of the people that make up this new power trio in Miami.
     
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  26. ToddPhin

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    Right, isn't that pretty much akin to what Cole is referencing? Fisher chose not to come here b/c of the power structure.
     
  27. Alex44

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    We had a GM at that point, and some teams feel a HC/GM is a recipe disaster.

    It idnt the same scenario at all actually, Fischer wasn't interviewing to be a GM. He was interviewing to be a coach.
     
  28. LBsFinest

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    Yea, worked out great for us....
     
  29. ckparrothead

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    Ross wanted to keep an employee whom he thought had proved a valuable resource rather than give in to the childish paranoia of a General Manager that had just had a falling out with Bill Parcells and wanted to rid his department of anyone who still talks to Bill.

    This is how Ross thinks. He's got people under contract and just because it's not working in their current position within the power structure they must still be good at something and if he's going to be paying their contract anyway he'd like them to be doing what they're good at. It's why he actually breached the subject with Jim Harbaugh whether he'd be opposed to keeping Sparano as an OL coach. It's why he attempted to "promote" Jeff Ireland out of his current position by giving him a pay raise in exchange for a different set of duties designed to take advantage of his strengths while taking his finger off the button.

    He was presented with the same conundrum in 2011 when Jeff Ireland all the sudden decided he wanted his cap and contract person fired even though she'd done a pretty good job.
     
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  30. jinx

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    Fisher didn't want to be the GM. He wanted veto power to avoid another Vince Young situation.
     
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  31. Sumlit

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    So what's this so called nightmarish structure people are being advised to avoid? Is it confirmed? I find it ridiculous that these supposed NFL sources are advising people close to them not to take Dolphins GM job because of structure, but no one has an idea what this so called structure is.
    Can they just take an interview and find out for themselves? Is that so hard and time consuming?

    This is just more speculation from twitter coming from people who are just throwing darts in the dark.
     
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  32. firedan

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    I'm sure someone would want the job.They do get paid,right?
     
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    Just because you dont like the choice we made doesn't mean the alternative was better.

    Its like choosibg between Hitler and Stalin, neither would be a goid choice and there is no winning.

    But no I wouldn't want Fischer anywhere near my team. EVER. Most overrated coach of our time.
     
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  34. slickj101

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    Still, worst case scenario for a new GM is dealing w Philbin for 1 year, imo. Can't see Ross not canning him if he's ****ty next year.

    That and dealing w Aponte which I don't think would be as difficult as people are making it seem.
     
  35. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    If Cole is correct it's looking like we gave Ross too much credit too quickly. Shoot. Maybe we'll luck into someone competent. It's about time we had any kind of good luck.
     
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  36. Stringer Bell

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    Its not a liberum veto, its a system of checks and balances.
     
  37. jinx

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    I don't know why people are giving Ross any credit for the Ireland move. Jeff walked away after Ross offered him a A RAISE and a demotion for gods sake! Here's a crazy thought: What if Ireland had accepted the demotion? Can you imagine the level of dysfunction that would have created?
     
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  38. Serpico Jones

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    I think this is being overblown a bit. If Ross tells Tom Gamble that he will report only to Ross I would imagine Gamble will sign on the dotted line. However, if The Big Eared One makes the new GM report to Aponte then he truly is the football idiot I've always felt he was.
     
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  39. Stringer Bell

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    The GM has authority over the scouting departments. He has complete control over how non-Dolphin players - both college and pro - are evaluated. You combine those evaluations with the opinion of the head coach on what the state of the team is, what the team needs, etc. and the financial considerations, which come from Aponte.
     
  40. Stringer Bell

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    I don't think Ross will have the GM report to Aponte. But the GM can't just overrule Aponte. They both will have equal power.
     

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