Armando: Reason Miami did nothing on Black Monday? Ross blindsided by loss

What's this issue about continuity? Ireland has been the GM of the Dolphins for 6 years now. How much more time does he need?

If you're speaking about the coaching staff, then you have a stronger point. However, continuity is only good if what you're continuing is a positive trend. Continuity just for continuity's sake is just a perfect recipe for the proliferation and acceptance of mediocrity.

 

-2 years?

 

ROFL! Yeah, just like "join the club if you want the REAL info on Martin/Incognito..." Puh-lease.

 

If the results the players and coaches get are consitently bad, when do you look at the guy buying the groceries?

 

If nothing changes....I just might.
I get more joy watching teams like Green Bay than I do Miami lately anyway.
It's just a VERY hard thing to do....switching allegiances.

 

A consistent winner? What gives ANYONE the idea that Ireland can produce a consistent winner?

 

Clearly the team sees things differently.

I imagine they are focused on fixing the OL and the run game not blowing up the entire organization.

 

Join. There isn't a lot of activity in the club so you won't lose a lot of time. Let's just say there MIGHT be more info than even beat writers know. Allegedly. Maybe.

 

Yup. Fix one hole. Create another. The Teflon Jeff way.

 

So what? NFL front offices are wrong ALL THE TIME. What DON'T you get about that?

 

Maybe not.

 

They've been trying to fix the o-line for six years.

 

Is there a further-hidden thread in there? Because I keep seeing reference to it but I just don't see it. There is one that has some nice older stuff in it, but no recent references.

 

No way. I keep 'em because they're hot! (I wish that were true. This damned surgeon up on 5 seems to get the pick of the litter....)

 

It's buried in one, but there is a night and day difference between what Armando is saying here and Ross' consultations

Simply put, the amount of people here who think a billionaire really sits on his hands while he hemorrhages money is outrageous

 

Cowher is a great choice for this franchise if his heart is in it 100 percent...

 

Yeah, NFL owners hemorrhaging money because of bad decisions is unheard of...

 

Ross is hemorrhaging money???

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They rarely lose money because of inaction. If anything they play musical chairs too often

 

At least 14 million, probably more if we actually spent the cap. Crappy attendance too.

 

You mean like the Fords and Matt Millen and then Jim Schwarz?
The Cowboys and Wade Phillips?
Vinny Cerrato as Redskins GM?

 

What is your point Rick? That talented guys didn't work out in retrospect?

Mine is that billionaire owners are rarely clueless about their billion dollar investment. Evidently a minority opinion on this board.

 

Where does that figure come from?

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http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/04/10/3336415/debt-stadium-costs-to-hand-miami.html#storylink=cpy


That and my own eyeballs. Lots of empty seats.

 

The point is that you're WRONG about that. Billionaires who made their money in one field get an inflated ego and a sense that they're an expert in EVERY field. They buy sports teams because they've been a fan and they think they're experts because they're a fan. They don't want to admit they made a mistake, so they stick with bad decisions way too long.
Those people were NOT talented at those jobs btw...they were horrible at them on an epic scale.

 

Thats not really hemorrhaging. Almost all the cash infusions are for debt servicing. The organization has a serious debt problem, but they did make $25MM last season, so I don't think hemorrhaging applies .

I agree with you on attendance though, but that's not a big effect either way.

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Of course a billionaire has an ego. There is no expert or savant NFL owner, outside of maybe the Rooneys. They typically try to surround themselves with experts.

Hogwash, by the way, they were clearly talented enough to be trusted with those positions. The vast majority of these guys, like NFL players, wash out.

 

People buy sports teams because they are legalized cartels. They don't really give two ****s about the rest of the stuff. They make the rules that dictate their own success, imagine that.

 

I find it hard that Ross is completely clueless. You don't get where he is in that manner most of the time. I do give him some room for making mistakes and not calculating completely right. But to have the notion he is like some uninformed fan, or even an informed fan, and completely caught off guard I find unlikely. Anyone here think Armando is being used just a little?

 

Do they really try to surround themselves with experts, or do they try and remove the necessity? Why wouldn't they eliminate the need for that type of labor cost?

 

Rooney's and or Mara/Tisch family....

 

I'd be concerned if my cash losses were projected to be 70m before the season began and I wasn't close to the cap.

 

Its amazing how when something happens that goes against the consensus opinion, it is because the owner is completely clueless. Never hear anyone suggest that the consensus opinion may just be based on wrong or misleading information.

 

There are many competent owners. There are also egomaniac owners like Al Davis, Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder who think they can be GMs. Then there are well meaning but totally incompetent football wise owners who constantly hire the wrong people and don't know enough to fire them. Like Ross.

No, the point is, they washed out loooong before they were fired.

 

Projected being the operative word. Either way its a financing problem, nothing more, and I agree that the stadium funding problem needs to be addressed. You could sell out every home game, and that would make the team maybe an extra $10MM max.

 

Ask the POTUS who relies heavily on his cabinet, it is simply solution to a issue of big scale. No one man can stay turned into issues of coaching, player evals, stats, marketing, business and accounting, legal issues, etc.

 

They do get that big TV check regardless of the team's performance which has got to be one of the principal attractions. Tickets and merchandise are, in effect, gravy compared to that. But it still represents a lot of money and not a source of revenue you want to forgo for too long.

As pure money-side decisions go, you could get the same TV check and sell more tickets and more merchandise in the LA market. I would not be surprised to see that explored.

 

Huh? That isn't really analogous. The POTUS isn't competing in a game he creates the rules. Just think about it. An NFL owner can't stay tuned into coaching, evals, stats, etc...so why would they make those things relevant to their success? Why make labor at those positions so necessary? Why create a system that forces you to pay $10MM to a head coach if you want to win? Notice how as the sport progresses, success becomes more and more about luck and chance?

 

Right, but keep in mind owners only keep 60% of their home ticket revenue. The other 40% goes to revenue sharing.

 

Just to quibble, the POTUS vetoes and proposes and talks a lot. Like our owner. It is an issue of scale, not that their jobs are exactly analogous. If you have an organization with thousands of people, plus oodles of stakeholders, you're going to have a board of directors, an advisory council, etc. It is commonplace and it is practical. It is not a symptom of a clueless owner like some believe. It be much more concerned if he didn't have this in place.

And he does and he has been in contact. He is not "blindsided". Now maybe he makes a bad decision coming out of this (e.g. hires Mangini), that is a separate issue