Armando: Reason Miami did nothing on Black Monday? Ross blindsided by loss

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  1. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Ross cementing himself as the worst owner in the league. He doesn't know how to make this decision because he just doesn't know how to be an NFL owner. He has no idea what to do if he fires the GM. He's always had wormtongue Ireland to lean on. Without him, what next? Running this NFL team is not his priority. We're doomed as Dolphin fans.
     
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  2. Stringer Bell

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    Ross is nowhere near the worst owner. You realize there is an owner that sold his fans expired food???
     
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  3. Colmax

    Colmax Well-Known Member

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    Everyone knows that is a necessary cost-saving measure. Damn the people whose guts cannot handle it! :lol:
     
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  4. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    I'd rather eat 10 year old hot dogs than suffer another season with Ireland as GM. It would be easier on my stomach, trust me.
     
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  5. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Ours didnt? This is an analogy right?

    :shifty:

    P.S. were they cookies?
     
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  6. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    Why is it so important to do the firing on Monday? If we fire people Thursday, who cares? Decisions on the other firings had been made long before the season was over. We weren't going to fire anyone if we made the playoffs.

    No new coaches or GMs are being hired today, so it's not like taking a few days after the season to fully evaluate is any setback or disadvantage.

    What's the big deal for wanting to wait until the season plays out to do the evaluation and decision making? Is it just that fans want heads to roll immediately for some sort of satisfaction?
     
  7. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Actually, Bill O'Brien is probably going to be hired today as the Texans new coach today.
     
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  8. Colmax

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    I think you hit the nail on the head, but it is still speculation.

    With Ross seeing how things have worked out, does he cut the cord? While we all can agree that Ireland may not be the best GM, he certainly put some nice pieces in place for the team over the years. He has also had some misses. I honestly thought that he and Philbin were on the same page after 2012. Then 2013 happened. I do believe, though, that Ireland has done what HE thinks is best for the franchise, first and foremost. That does not always make it right.

    There were a handful of prominent NFL figures who backed Ireland a little while back. Regardless of what we as fans think, these guys know more about the business. Even some of the big FA signings (on paper) should have worked. And Miami has had some big names signed under his tenure. I cannot figure out why they have not worked. Poor coaching and development? Players leave Miami and have solid seasons. Is it a system dysfunction? Organization dysfunction?

    While Ireland may not be the easiest GM to like, he is no chef. He just buys the groceries. And while we can point out to this year's LB corps (as well as missed picks), we must also point out nice signings like Grimes, Gibson, Patterson. Who knows what Keller could have done, but it was a good signing. He also got fantastic value for Davis and Bess. I will give him one thing: he is no *****cat.

    Regardless of what some think about Ireland, I think it is only fair to highlight some of the good things he has done for this franchise. He is certainly without flaws, and I think he should go. If he is let go, I can see him getting picked up by a team and doing well. Dallas, maybe?
     
  9. NaboCane

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    Detroit has already fielded calls about the opening, and it is considered a prime choice because of the talent on the team. And that's before them starting to call the guys on their wish lists.

    Tampa and the others now have a head start on their own top ten list; well, maybe not the Browns because of the assclown factor there. I wouldn't be surprised if those teams already had appointments set up.

    The point is that, on or off the field and as always, Miami is off to a slow start.

    And this "blindsided" business? It only serves to demonstrate Ross's mental weakness. He can't bear the thought of firing anyone so he procrastinates, hurting his team in the process. He'd rather hurt his team than sack up and do what even beings on other planets know needs to be done.
     
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  10. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    If Jeff gets fired, he will never be a GM in the NFL again.

    I cannot think of a single thing he has done that has been good for this franchise. Even the Ryan Tannehill pick was not a decision that he made. He had to consult Duke Tobin to make that decision.
     
  11. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    So we should have fired Philbin after beating Pittsburgh then to be sure we weren't at a disadvantage?
     
  12. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    Well, we aren't firing our HC regardless...
     
  13. Stringer Bell

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    If this theory is true, wouldn't it mean that his consulting Duke Tobin was good for the franchise?
     
  14. rdhstlr23

    rdhstlr23 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm OK with this. I want both Philbin & Ireland gone, but this isn't far-fetched.

    I said all along that if the team makes the playoffs, the guys deserve another year...whether I wanted it or not. I mean that would be some kind of precedent. Team makes playoffs for first time in 5 years, then fires their coach and GM?? Has it ever been done before?

    Ross wanted it just as much as the fans. He wasn't expecting the losses.

    I like your idea Desides of always having a list. And truthfully, when things were going awry early on this year, I'm surprised that he didn't at least tell his people (Peterson et al) to start building a list in preparation.

    Either way, if he's doing this because he doesn't have a plan in place, I'm comfortable with him doing it once the plan is finalized. It has to include the firing of Ireland though. For accountability's sake, it has too. That's just absurd if it isn't part of the next moves.
     
  15. Sumlit

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    Considering the importance of this season, and the way it has gone up and down, up and down, I think Ross should have had a contingency plan in place long ago just in case **** hit the fan. As it is, **** hit the fan and now Ross is left unprepared and naked holding his dick, looking like a fool because of lack of preparation.

    It really doesn't matter if he makes a decision on Monday, as opposed to Wednesday or Thursday or Friday for that matter, but the more time he lets go by without a decision the more of a disadvantage he places his team.
     
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  16. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    The senior bowl is in 3 weeks. Hiring a new front office staff may take up to 2 weeks to accomplish. The latter we start, the worse position we are in.
     
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  17. Stitches

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    So it's settled. Keep the FO in tact until after the draft, then cut the cord. :shifty:
     
  18. KB21

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    It means that Duke's advice was good, but it also means that Jeff lacks the instincts to make a decision that requires him to take a risk.
     
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  19. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    I dont think any changes are coming....8-8 is Ross's high water mark as majority owner (let that sink in). He is confident the team is in an uptick based on this, I am convinced based on his statements so far he feels this in his gut....for him its all stay calm carry on! That is his thinking.
     
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  20. KB21

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    Then you let Jeff **** up another draft and **** up in free agency again.
     
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  21. Stitches

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    So who decided to trade up for Dion Jordan?
     
  22. KB21

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    It was probably ordered by Stephen Ross.
     
  23. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    I do agree we can't wait multiple weeks, but a few days is no set back. Plus, with things like the draft... typically scouting departments, if they're going to be replaced, that have been working all season for the coming draft are retained until after the draft. So it's not like we will be starting from ground zero in the scouting department. And its not like whoever the candidate is to replace Ireland (a personnel person) hasn't been looking at draft prospects until now either.

    I agree we do need to get moving. But doing the firings within a week of the season ending is no setback IMO.
     
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  24. PhinGeneral

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    I'm sorry, I just don't buy the idea Ross was caught completely off guard. He was the one who set the playoffs as a bar, was livid about BullyGate and who reportedly read Philbin and Ireland the riot act after a bad loss earlier this season. He also witnessed the Buffalo debacle last week. I think the "sources" are being purposely misleading or Ross is going senile.
     
  25. Stitches

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    :lol: ok.
     
  26. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    Wha?
     
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  27. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    This should be an easy decision. You have a team that has had 1 winning season in 6 years under the leadership of Jeff Ireland. During this time span, the team has had three major public black eyes that are directly due to him and the way he goes about his business.

    He should have been eviscerated on the lawn of the team headquarters in public fashion yesterday to show that his ineptitude and his lack of integrity will no longer be tolerated in Miami.
     
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  28. Colmax

    Colmax Well-Known Member

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    And he might not get the chance to again become an NFL GM. I like that he consulted with his buddy to make one of the most important decisions in this franchise's recent memory. Getting an outsider's prospective on a player that will presumably become the franchise face needs to be thoroughly investigated. Does Ireland just draft Tannehill on Philbin's or Sherman's word? That is consanguinity at it's finest.

    To say that he has done no single thing from which this franchise has benefitted is purely subjective and dishonest. While I gather your dislike for the guy (I am not his biggest fan, either), give him credit where credit is due.
     
  29. NaboCane

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    Look, **** all the logic. I don't feel even the most microscopic bit bad that I want this assclown jeffyboyo out of the building yesterday. The more time he spends employed by the Dolphins, the longer he has to work his cockroach-like svengali **** on Ross, who seems especially susceptible to that prick's weirding way.
     
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  30. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    Daggum. Kinda makes me wonder...how in the hell did Ross become a billionaire? Seems kinda clueless if this is true. How the hell could he not foresee the possibility of losing to the Jests and not making the playoffs? Half of the national media/talking heads were predicting it!
     
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  31. Stringer Bell

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    Didn't he make the decision to consult Duke, according to this theory? How is that not a risk?
     
  32. Colmax

    Colmax Well-Known Member

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    Teams and GMs use consultants. Consultants are used in many different industries, even if there are good men and women in place to make those important decisions. Gathering as much information as possible on important decisions is almost never a bad thing.
     
  33. Colmax

    Colmax Well-Known Member

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    ^ This is awfully funny! I can dig it! Made me LOL!
     
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  34. VManis

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    The fact that the 49ers had a team loaded with untapped talent and Harbaugh didn't even have to move from his house had nothing to do with his decision.
     
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  35. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    And are we sure that was even a good move yet anyway?
     
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  37. Colmax

    Colmax Well-Known Member

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    And this is why I agree he should go.
     
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  38. Stitches

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    No, the implication was that Ireland couldn't take risks on his own. It's well established he's made plenty of moves that weren't good.
     
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  39. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Seriously.. so far that guy is a disappointment, god knows if he will ever become a star which is the expectation we have of him for trading up..
     
  40. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    OK. My bad.
    I misunderstood the context.
     

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