Then you'd have seen a very incomplete pass because Mike Wallace only turns his head at the 25 yard line. Which is right when Tannehill lets it fly.
That's not the case imo, if Wallace is even....he's leaving. Im not upset at RYAN for that play. But the ball could've 100% been placed better. Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk
His skill set is speed. He brings nothing else to the table. We could have that speed on a much cheaper contract and a player you do not have to change your scheme to fit.
yeah. Ryan should have anticipated that mike would look the wrong way for the ball. You are not going to win this argument. This argument has already been won, and you have to look no farther than the numbers Mike Wallace has put up to see this. Mike Wallace was a horrible signing by this organization. He is overpaid, and he will not be here just as soon as the team can save money by cutting him. That die has already been cast.
Why isn't it both? Maybe Ryan should've thrown it better AND Wallace could have played it better? I swear some people SEEM. to just argue to show how smart and objective they are and once a stance is taken that's it, no other possibilities exist. Football is a combination of factors.
I haven't seen clear video of the route. If Wallace opened up the "wrong" way, what is the indication that opening left is the right way? Did he peek a few times?
When Tannehill makes the throw, Wallace is shy of the right hashmark and going at an 45 degree angle towards the endzone with the safety coming over from the right side. Unless Tannehill develops the uncanny ability to slice it 75 yards to the back of the endzone, there's no way he's making a play to left there. Not with being hit half a second later. I literally see no other spot he could've put that ball. None.
You haven't proven anything. Ryan Tannehill directly stated he's to blame for not converting open deep passes all year to the NFL's most productive downfield receiver of the past 5 years. Our QB went to the extent of saying WALLACE HAS GOTTEN TOO WIDE OPEN, and there's plenty of all 22 film to back it up. So please, show us all how Wallace is at fault for all the deep plays left on the field rather than superficially pointing to one hail mary as if it somehow suffices for the other 30 occasions. Hmph, which one seems more logical and likely, that Tannehill is lying and it's really the NFL's top vertical threat who's at fault for all the missed opportunities.... or that Tannehill is telling the truth?
It's one thing to be down on Wallace, but to not put any blame on Tanne or, especially, the OL is crazy. Tanne did miss him on a number of occasions. Was Wallace supposed to dive five yards out of bounds on that one play when he was wide open? Even Gruden was like: "Yikes!". It's also very hard to judge how Tanne and Mike can be together given the fact that Tanne is the most sacked QB in the league. Mayock said it during the Thursday night game. He said to take advantage of his speed skills, you have to have time and Big Ben is great at extending the play and getting time for Wallace to get open deep. Here, Tanne just has no time. He has to drop back and often hit his first read. The point is really moot until we fix the OL. However, blaming everything on Wallace and not putting any blame on Tanne and most importantly, the OL is just nuts, but whatever.
The thing is, how would Wallace have opened his hips if the ball wasn't short and pretty much directly in line with him. I've looked at this play time and again from the angle provided, and although I'm not a big fan of how Wallace played this one, he had the DB catching up to him on a late, underthrown pass and the ball wasn't in front of him to the left heading toward the open left half of the endzone. Again, this is being discussed iirc because it was mentioned that the throw was nearly perfect, which to me is a head shaker. Of all the lousy deep balls that Tannehill has thrown to Wallace, this is by no means one of them. It's a late desperation throw that was imo thrown late and didn't lead Wallace away from the DB and to the open left half of the endzone. Far from a perfect throw, but there have been so many other piss poor deep throws to Wallace that it hardly makes sense to focus on this one.
Because that would be patently false. I've just wachted that play in HD for roughly 20 times. I don't see any other option for Tannehill on that throw. None at all. If Mike Wallace turns his head around at the 40 or 35, maybe Tannehill could've led him to the left. He was certainly staring him down. But once that safety was in play, he had to throw behind him.
CK has already proven that Ryan DID NOT throw that ball out of bounds, that it was in fact a poor effort by Mike Wallace to make that catch. Mike Wallace is exactly what I thought he was prior to coming to Miami, and those of you who continue to want to argue me over this fact simply are doing so because you don't want it to be correct. Deep down, most of you are seeing what you want to see simply because the team paid so much money to get him. I take solace in the fact that I knew this was how it was going to be in this system. I said it before he was signed, and I haven't been proven wrong yet.
I honestly don't see how anyone can look at that and say the throw was late when if it is thrown any earlier, the safety simply tracks right to the ball and picks it off. You are seeing what you want to see because you only want to blame Ryan Tannehill for Mike Wallace's short comings.
There's no doubt in my mind that we must figure out how much production we are not getting because of the fact that Ryan is not in bens class at this point, there's no doubt in my mind that's what Ben is and is directly responsible for a lot of Wallace's production.. So I get why you feel we overpaid, which I think most of us agree with, but were trying to also project what this receiver could project into if our Qb grows and take a substantial jump in play, and whether then could he be closer to his value..
Not to mention the fact that if was thrown to, say, the 35 with a lot of open field in front of Mike Wallace, it would've sailed 10 yards behind him, because Wallace wasn't tracking the ball until Tannehill threw it.
I'll post this again. Since 2009 Wallace: 35 TD on 509 targets Fitzgerald: 40 TD on 732 targets Marshall: 39 TD on 764 targets A Johnson: 28 TD on 672 targets List of receivers to average 1000+ yards and 8 TDs the previous 4 years Wallace Calvin Johnson Larry Fitzgerald Now, since you strongly believe the QB makes the receiver, by default that means you must also believe Wallace should be capable of replicating his overall previous 4 year success if Tannehill allows him to. End of story. This is all pointless however b/c no matter what Wallace does you'll feel he's not worth the contract b/c you feel it's ALL about the QB and that receivers are basically worthless.
This sounds too much like shouright- the whole "prove me wrong" defense. That could easily be done, as your position is that the deep ball issues between RT and Wallace are all on Wallace, if we could get a clip of every deep ball thrown to Wallace this year. Again, the coaches, analysts, fans, writers and Tannehill himself have acknowledged that his deep balls to Wallace just aren't good enough. The film will show that, what we need is a clip of all the throws to put this issue to bed.
Are you assuming that the Safeties eyes are on Tannehill the whole time? I'd take my chances throwing the ball earlier to the open area in the left endzone. Again, my exception here was you saying that RT threw a perfect ball and it was an easy catch for Wallace- not. This is not an example of the completely lousy deep balls that RT has thrown to Wallace this year, let's not lose sight of that.
I do love how writers and analysts always become an argument from authority when it happens to suit the, well, argument. When it doesn't, those ****** hacks are not to be trusted
go to Wallace and Big Ben 1st year together and see what the stats are? compare drops, underthrows/overthrows, ints etc. Could it be that his overall stats were better based on playing 4 years with Ben and Ben knowing where and when he had to throw it to Wallace for success and that was learned over time? Everything is not black and white and clear as day
I don't need to prove anything, genius. I'm not the one trying to convince others the world is flat by arguing AGAINST Wallace's prior history as the best deep receiver in the game and AGAINST what even our own goddam QB and HC have factually stated- that Tannehill has left too many plays on the field all year while Wallace hasn't just been open but wide open. Here's an idea: Why don't you list all the deep opportunities that Tannehill did convert, you know- so that you can prove that Tannehill is indeed lying about not converting them.
The one that I can recall, against Carolina, was underthrown and a darned good play by Wallace to take it to the house.
Oh so you werent saying its all Ryans fault and there are no other consideration? Ah must be a diff language
Phinsational-> "I saw and incomplete deep ball, must be Tannehills fault, I will post all Wallaces stats from Pittsburgh that will prove I am right"
Considering that the pump fake is what allowed Mike to get by the safety, yes, I would say that the safety had his eyes on Ryan.
The point is that it's nearly universally acknowledged that Tannehill's deep passes are lacking this year, including by the coaches and Tannehill himself. That doesn't change that I'm coming to my own conclusions on the matter, just acknowledging that the vast majority of others indicate that Tannehill has come up short, figuratively and literally in a good number of his deep throws to Wallace this year. Pretty straightforward stuff, so I hope that your skirt isn't riding up on you too hard as you laugh at that concept.
boggles my mind I have decided you are all right and its all Ryans fault. Brady and Manning are both avg to below and are saved by their reciving core. Cause I watched Manning underthrow DT a few times. I have seen Gront dive to catch a pass vs Houston to win the game. Your are SOOOOOO right
If it was only throw to the 35, and that early in the play, more DBs than just the safety probably get involved (there is a CB in deep zone on the left side).
I haven't been able to see that angle, but regardless given the fact that the play started from around the Miami 30 yard line with Miami down by four and he was throwing to maybe the fastest player in the league, I would have rather seen Tannehill throw the ball sooner and lead Wallace to the open left half of the endzone. Again, this was a situation with Miami down by 4 and 70 yards away with 20 seconds left in the game. I'd rather see RT let it rip and lead Wallace to the open zone, let him outrun the Safety to the ball. Regardless, this specific play is hardly central the the main point imo. Both RT and Wallace could have done better on this play, most seem to agree on that. Perfect throw? Hardly.
The guy whom you railed on about endlessly before the 2008 draft that he couldn't play LT well in the NFL?
Mike is currently on a 28 game trend where he is one of the least efficient down the field threats in the NFL, but we have some fans that want to blame that on the quarterback. It's apparently not Mike Wallace's fault. It must be just a coincidence that this decline has coincided with his move towards a more timing oriented passing game than the offense he played in during his first three years. We want to ignore that aspect of this though, because we want to think that Mike Wallace should have been signed to begin with.
I didn't laugh at the concept. I laughed at the fact that you chose to cite analysts and writers as an argument from authority given that the vast majority on this board generally regards writers and analysts as less intelligent than creatures living at the bottom of ponds.
